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Why Pope Benedict Will be Forced to Resign
May 8th, 2010 12:02 PM
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Just Because the Vatican Doesn't Hold the Clergy Responsible, Doesn't Mean the Membership Won't

After centuries of torture, genocide and even siding with Nazi Germany, why would the abuse scandal result in the Catholic Church forcing Pope Benedict XVI to step down? Why weren't other more heinous acts punished?

This time, there is going to be hell to pay.

It isn't that the Vatican finds priests raping children to be particularly troublesome, or violating the sanctity of the confessional to be worthy of punishment, even breaking the law isn't of much concern. It will be something more fundamental that will bring down the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.



God.

You will notice that the Pope will be talking more and more about how “the Church” should do penance, or how “we” need to apologize. What Benedict is trying to do is to foist the blame from himself, and/or the Vatican on to the membership at large. Most members find the comparison of the Pope to holocaust victims and Jesus on the cross to be particularly offensive.

THE ANATOMY OF A SCANDAL

It is important to draw some distinctions here. There is Catholicism which is a religion; the Catholic Church which is a group of members of that faith which includes the laity, priests, nuns and all the leadership; and then there is the Vatican. Members often despise the Vatican, think the Pope is a buffoon and still love the Church, and consider themselves a good Catholic.

Catholics in a general geographic location make up a parish with usually one church, and groups of parishes are organized into a diocese, under the leadership of the Bishop or Archbishop. Above that are Cardinals who elect the Pope. It's a bit more complicated than that, but this gives non-Catholics a general feel for the organization.

Located in Rome, the Vatican is considered to be a separate country, a ruling body of about 200 men, headed by the Pope, believed to be God's representative on Earth. Literally.

The US Catholic Church often wields it's own power over the American membership, a group of Catholics who do not necessarily follow the edicts of the Pope to the letter, but consider themselves to be part of the same Church. For instance, in the US, divorced Catholics may attend mass and accept communion as their conscience dictates, even though this is prohibited. The states are usually more liberal the Europe, Americans do not find themselves the subject of Church discipline. Excommunication is rare. [link to www.vatican.va]

[link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

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Why Pope Benedict Will be Forced to Resign
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Sancho E. Jones


Just Because the Vatican Doesn't Hold the Clergy Responsible, Doesn't Mean the Membership Won't

After centuries of torture, genocide and even siding with Nazi Germany, why would the abuse scandal result in the Catholic Church forcing Pope Benedict XVI to step down? Why weren't other more heinous acts punished?

This time, there is going to be hell to pay.

It isn't that the Vatican finds priests raping children to be particularly troublesome, or violating the sanctity of the confessional to be worthy of punishment, even breaking the law isn't of much concern. It will be something more fundamental that will bring down the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.



God.

You will notice that the Pope will be talking more and more about how “the Church” should do penance, or how “we” need to apologize. What Benedict is trying to do is to foist the blame from himself, and/or the Vatican on to the membership at large. Most members find the comparison of the Pope to holocaust victims and Jesus on the cross to be particularly offensive.

THE ANATOMY OF A SCANDAL

It is important to draw some distinctions here. There is Catholicism which is a religion; the Catholic Church which is a group of members of that faith which includes the laity, priests, nuns and all the leadership; and then there is the Vatican. Members often despise the Vatican, think the Pope is a buffoon and still love the Church, and consider themselves a good Catholic.

Catholics in a general geographic location make up a parish with usually one church, and groups of parishes are organized into a diocese, under the leadership of the Bishop or Archbishop. Above that are Cardinals who elect the Pope. It's a bit more complicated than that, but this gives non-Catholics a general feel for the organization.

Located in Rome, the Vatican is considered to be a separate country, a ruling body of about 200 men, headed by the Pope, believed to be God's representative on Earth. Literally.

The US Catholic Church often wields it's own power over the American membership, a group of Catholics who do not necessarily follow the edicts of the Pope to the letter, but consider themselves to be part of the same Church. For instance, in the US, divorced Catholics may attend mass and accept communion as their conscience dictates, even though this is prohibited. The states are usually more liberal the Europe, Americans do not find themselves the subject of Church discipline. Excommunication is rare.

The child abuse scandals are nothing new, beginning back in the 1970s with the trial of Rev. Gilbert Gauthe, a chaplain under the direction of Bishop Gerard Louis Frey of the Diocese of Savannah. Gauthe, who had been molesting altar boys, was later jailed and cost the diocese more than $20 million to settle the cases.

Several other scandals erupted during the 1980s and 1990s, and it was discovered that some bishops were shipping priests off to new parishes, after a stint with the Church-operated Servants of the Paraclete, a religious order which serves the clergy in treatment of various difficulties such as alcoholism, drug addiction or sexual abuse.

The Rev. Gerald M. C. Fitzgerald, founder of the order, warned American bishops as early as the 1950s that sexual offender priests could not be rehabilitated. He also warned Vatican officials in 1962 and then later to Pope Paul VI. American bishops would later contend that they were unaware that priests would re-offend and that no one counseled them on removing these men from contact with parishioners. It was not until a court made these documents public that it was discovered that Fitzgerald had indeed warned the leadership.

Failure to follow this advice allowed some priests to rack up more victims and the subsequent lawsuits in the 1990s resulted in seven diocese seeking bankruptcy protection. Settlements grew to $1.5 billion and many American Catholics criticized the Vatican for not paying for the abusive priests, instead leaving the US organization in financial ruin. The response from Rome was one of silence, and then to blame American culture for it's sexual licentiousness and hysterical response to abuse allegations.

It was later discovered that Boston's Archbishop Bernard Francis Law had covered up sexual abuse by priests under his control, which further fueled the American abuse scandal. His actions were so notorious, that more than 50 priests demanded his resignation, despite Law's claims that his policies had been effective. He stepped down from his position as the Archbishop, but remained a Cardinal, and was moved to Rome by John Paul II where he participated in the enclave of 2005 which saw Ratzinger ascend to the papal throne.

Many Catholics have privately – as well as some publicly, called for the Vatican to return Law to the US and force him to stand trial for his involvement in the abuse of thousands of children. Law continues to enjoy the protection of Rome and the membership has been ignored, once again.

Since that time, many more scandals have come to light in Ireland, Germany and South America. More recently, it was discovered that priests were raping nuns in Africa and India and some who became pregnant were forced to have abortions.

WHY THE ABUSE SCANDAL WILL BE DIFFERENT

The Vatican has held itself above man's laws, and the membership has reluctantly supported the Church in the claim that they are above scrutiny, answering only to God.

God, however, is not without His own rules.

When priests take their vows, they consecrate themselves to the Church, they become a servant of the membership and enjoy Divine protection. They take a vow of chastity. To violate this vow is to commit a sacrilege, which is to desecrate or defile a sacred object. Anyone who knowingly assists in this violation, or is party to it, is also guilty of a sacrilege.

Therefore, priests having sex with anyone – whether it be children, other priests or adult females is committing a sacrilege.

In 2001, Pope John Paul II declared that priests having sex with a minor was delictum gravius, also known as a grave or mortal sin. A mortal sin is one so serious, that it is believed to spiritually separate the sinner from God. Some mortal sins are grounds for automatic excommunication and to die after committing one without repenting would result in the sinner spending eternity in Hell with forgiveness being left up to the mercy of God Almighty.

In order to repent, the sinner must confess full details, names, times, etc. A sexual abuser would be required to confess to every victim, deed, and thought in this regard.

What should have been done, what was within the power of the Vatican to do, is to send these offenders to a monastery to engage in meditation and spiritual pursuit away from the membership. Additionally, this would have removed the temptation for these priests to re-offend, and the number of victims would be lessened. Had the Church handled abusers in this manner, likely, the crimes would have been excused, like so many atrocities in the past.

The smoking gun which will bring down the Vatican is that these priests who were separated from God, who were mortal sinners, were allowed to celebrate the Mass, hear confessions, marry couples and give last rites. The leadership moved these unqualified priests to new parishes, knowing full well they had not repented and, as a result, they became party to a sacrilege.

NO JUSTICE FOR VICTIMS

The Vatican thought these sins were so serious, that in 1962, they issued the Crimen sollicitationis (The Crime of Solicitation) letter to all bishops and high ranking officials which was kept secret until 2001. While the letter did discuss the discipline of sexual abusers, it swore anyone involved in the investigation to absolute secrecy, including the victims. The letter forbade the accuser or anyone involved from reporting the crime to civil authorities.

The bigger problem was that the penalty for disclosure was automatic excommunication. Priests found guilty of sexual abuse were only defrocked as an “extreme penalty,” and was only be used as punishment if the defendant had “attained such a degree of temerity and habitude [sic], that there seems to be no hope, humanly speaking, or almost no hope, of his amendment.” Victims who speak out would be cut off from the Church, and from God – there would be no offers of rehabilitation for them, their sins would not be overlooked, there would be no chance to repent.

In other words, priests who rape children and members who turn them in are being held to two different standards. It doesn't take much effort to reach the conclusion that God's laws have been ignored by the clergy.

The Vatican, and even the Pope, can claim to be above man's laws but they are not above God's laws, they are ultimately accountable to the Church as a whole as they too have been consecrated to the membership. The leadership has been very vocal about warning members against engaging in “petty gossip” about the sexual abuse, and therefore, most Catholics are unaware of the nature of the crimes or the extent of the cover up. As they are called to defend the Pope and the Vatican, they will be exposed to more documentation about the leadership's involvement in perpetuating mortal sins.

Once it becomes widespread and well known, the bishops will point to the Cardinals and claim they were only following orders. Someone will have to be sacrificed. The rallying cry will most likely come from US Catholics who have spent the last decade digging out from over a billion dollars in settlements to victims with no financial assistance from Rome.

No one in a position of authority is going to take the fall for this, nor will the membership accept a scapegoat. The membership will call for the resignation of someone in authority, and that may very well be the Pope.

SOURCES:

[link to www.vatican.va]

[link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

[link to www.newadvent.org]

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[link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

[link to www.boston.com]

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AGAIN WE SEE THE DOUBLE-STANDARD AND PURE EVIL OF THE ROMAN "CATHOLIC-ONE-WORLD-RELIGION/GOVERNMENT CHURCH."

Truly amazing and APPALLING!!

“And after this I saw another messenger coming down from the heaven, having great authority, and the earth was lightened from his esteem.

And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, “Babel the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, and a haunt for every unclean and hated bird,

because all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her whoring, and the sovereigns of the earth have committed whoring with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the power of her riotous living.”

And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

“Because her sins have piled up to reach the heaven, and ALMIGHTY GOD has remembered her unrighteousnesses.

“Render to her as she indeed did render, and repay her double according to her works. In the cup which she has mixed, mix for her double.

“As much as she esteemed herself and lived riotously, so much torture and grief give to her, because in her heart she says, ‘I sit as sovereigness, and I am not a widow, and I do not see mourning at all.’

“Because of this her plagues shall come in one day: death and mourning and scarcity of food. And she shall be burned up with fire, because ALMIGHTY GOD who judges her is mighty.

“And the sovereigns of the earth who committed whoring and lived riotously with her shall weep and mourn over her, when they see the smoke of her burning.” The Book of Revelation 18:4-9



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Asinine nonsense, WHO has the power to force such a thing, and WHEN has that EVER happened before?


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you forget,

the pope is infailible






























whatever
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ignore them and they'll shrivel up and blow away
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because we have New Pope Russ
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because we have New Pope Russ
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NJ Russ am da Popester!
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ignore them and they'll shrivel up and blow away
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How very little, do you understand.
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I can't imagine the Vatican admitting to sin when they are ruled by an infallible Pope. To continue this charade I would think he will expire and they will make him a saint.
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you forget,

the pope is infailible

[quote/]

you forget, or never knew, or simply ignore,

the pope is infallible on matters of faith and morals

every time you trash the Church, you make Our Lord cry and
bring judgment on yourself.

you are your own pope, that's all Protestants wish to be,
to follow no authority! Pride.





























whatever
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The same old group of Catholic haters.
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I can't imagine the Vatican admitting to sin when they are ruled by an infallible Pope. To continue this charade I would think he will expire and they will make him a saint.
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you forget, or never knew, or simply ignore,

the pope is infallible on matters of faith and morals

every time you trash the Church, you make Our Lord cry and
bring judgment on yourself.

you are your own pope, that's all Protestants wish to be,
to follow no authority! Pride.
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Oh Wow!,

Tell me, please, what are you going to do when you are
shown by God the true Church is the Roman Catholic Church?

Will you change then?
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i dont care if i make satan cry
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FYI, the pope is only infallible when he is preaching the Gospel, (the 4 accounts on the life of Jesus, the first 4 chapters in the New Testament) and it is believed he was given this power by the Spirit acting in the Church.

And No, he won't resign, although Joseph Ratzinger did not wish to become Pope in the first place, but submitted to the will of God.
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My suggestion to protect our young boys:no altar boys for under 18 yrs.,
no single-sex for any other clubs,scouts etc...these too often could attract undesirable characters.

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i dont care if i make satan cry
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that's satanic
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you forget, or never knew, or simply ignore,

the pope is infallible on matters of faith and morals

every time you trash the Church, you make Our Lord cry and
bring judgment on yourself.

you are your own pope, that's all Protestants wish to be,
to follow no authority! Pride.Quoting 962716


I haven't trashed the church!
Catholics are good citizens. I would rather live around catholics than most any group. But I would think the actions of their leaders should give them pause to reconsider what is going on - why the abuse of poor little catholic boys has been tolerated on such a worldwide scale.


No, the Catholic Church does not need my help to trash itself.
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you forget, or never knew, or simply ignore,

the pope is infallible on matters of faith and morals

every time you trash the Church, you make Our Lord cry and
bring judgment on yourself.

you are your own pope, that's all Protestants wish to be,
to follow no authority! Pride.Quoting 962716


I haven't trashed the church!
Catholics are good citizens. I would rather live around catholics than most any group. But I would think the actions of their leaders should give them pause to reconsider what is going on - why the abuse of poor little catholic boys has been tolerated on such a worldwide scale.


No, the Catholic Church does not need my help to trash itself.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


Why then do you, not as much as others reply on the Catholic
trashing threads?

Do you not realize a priest is our means
to God's grace and why satan attacks a priest more than
any other person on the earth?
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OhWow!

You didn't answer my question. Be so kind and do.

Will you say "yes" to God when you are shown the true faith
is the Roman Catholic Church? The Great Warning is soon.
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you forget,

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Nope, he sure ain't !

Even St. Peter has been proven *NOT* infallible. He denied Jesus 3 times before that mafak cawk started to crow
























whatever
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1/5/04

excerpt from a message to His priests.

words from Jesus:


..."My chosen sons, reach out to your lost brothers and call upon My intercession for these brothers are causing this division in My church. I have told you that you’ve been given this time of preparation for my people will come in great numbers. You will see several events taking place for as I have told you, there will be earthquake after earthquake, and there will be great disease and famine.

You must prepare for so many souls will be called to stand before Me, for My people will come in great numbers. You will experience My warning for all the world to see their soul through My eyes and so many will come running when they witness the filth on their soul; and you will be called at this time more than any other time in your mission to show you are My true disciple."...


Jesus said "all the world"...that means everyone. Protestants
will have to choose then, no more protest if they choose
correctly.
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you forget,

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Nope, he sure ain't !

Even St. Peter has been proven *NOT* infallible. He denied Jesus 3 times before that mafak cawk started to crow
























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Won't work, Peter denied Jesus before Our Lord made Him
head of the Church and before the descent of the Holy
Spirit at Pentecost.

When did this happen to Luther and Calvin?
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Judas sinned, Peter sinned, Thomas doubted, that doesn't
change the fact Jesus established one Church and Luther
said NO.
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Why Pope Benedict Will be Forced to Resign
May 8th, 2010 12:02 PM
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Sancho E. Jones


Just Because the Vatican Doesn't Hold the Clergy Responsible, Doesn't Mean the Membership Won't

After centuries of torture, genocide and even siding with Nazi Germany, why would the abuse scandal result in the Catholic Church forcing Pope Benedict XVI to step down? Why weren't other more heinous acts punished?

This time, there is going to be hell to pay.

It isn't that the Vatican finds priests raping children to be particularly troublesome, or violating the sanctity of the confessional to be worthy of punishment, even breaking the law isn't of much concern. It will be something more fundamental that will bring down the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.



God.

You will notice that the Pope will be talking more and more about how “the Church” should do penance, or how “we” need to apologize. What Benedict is trying to do is to foist the blame from himself, and/or the Vatican on to the membership at large. Most members find the comparison of the Pope to holocaust victims and Jesus on the cross to be particularly offensive.

THE ANATOMY OF A SCANDAL

It is important to draw some distinctions here. There is Catholicism which is a religion; the Catholic Church which is a group of members of that faith which includes the laity, priests, nuns and all the leadership; and then there is the Vatican. Members often despise the Vatican, think the Pope is a buffoon and still love the Church, and consider themselves a good Catholic.

Catholics in a general geographic location make up a parish with usually one church, and groups of parishes are organized into a diocese, under the leadership of the Bishop or Archbishop. Above that are Cardinals who elect the Pope. It's a bit more complicated than that, but this gives non-Catholics a general feel for the organization.

Located in Rome, the Vatican is considered to be a separate country, a ruling body of about 200 men, headed by the Pope, believed to be God's representative on Earth. Literally.

The US Catholic Church often wields it's own power over the American membership, a group of Catholics who do not necessarily follow the edicts of the Pope to the letter, but consider themselves to be part of the same Church. For instance, in the US, divorced Catholics may attend mass and accept communion as their conscience dictates, even though this is prohibited. The states are usually more liberal the Europe, Americans do not find themselves the subject of Church discipline. Excommunication is rare.

The child abuse scandals are nothing new, beginning back in the 1970s with the trial of Rev. Gilbert Gauthe, a chaplain under the direction of Bishop Gerard Louis Frey of the Diocese of Savannah. Gauthe, who had been molesting altar boys, was later jailed and cost the diocese more than $20 million to settle the cases.

Several other scandals erupted during the 1980s and 1990s, and it was discovered that some bishops were shipping priests off to new parishes, after a stint with the Church-operated Servants of the Paraclete, a religious order which serves the clergy in treatment of various difficulties such as alcoholism, drug addiction or sexual abuse.

The Rev. Gerald M. C. Fitzgerald, founder of the order, warned American bishops as early as the 1950s that sexual offender priests could not be rehabilitated. He also warned Vatican officials in 1962 and then later to Pope Paul VI. American bishops would later contend that they were unaware that priests would re-offend and that no one counseled them on removing these men from contact with parishioners. It was not until a court made these documents public that it was discovered that Fitzgerald had indeed warned the leadership.

Failure to follow this advice allowed some priests to rack up more victims and the subsequent lawsuits in the 1990s resulted in seven diocese seeking bankruptcy protection. Settlements grew to $1.5 billion and many American Catholics criticized the Vatican for not paying for the abusive priests, instead leaving the US organization in financial ruin. The response from Rome was one of silence, and then to blame American culture for it's sexual licentiousness and hysterical response to abuse allegations.

It was later discovered that Boston's Archbishop Bernard Francis Law had covered up sexual abuse by priests under his control, which further fueled the American abuse scandal. His actions were so notorious, that more than 50 priests demanded his resignation, despite Law's claims that his policies had been effective. He stepped down from his position as the Archbishop, but remained a Cardinal, and was moved to Rome by John Paul II where he participated in the enclave of 2005 which saw Ratzinger ascend to the papal throne.

Many Catholics have privately – as well as some publicly, called for the Vatican to return Law to the US and force him to stand trial for his involvement in the abuse of thousands of children. Law continues to enjoy the protection of Rome and the membership has been ignored, once again.

Since that time, many more scandals have come to light in Ireland, Germany and South America. More recently, it was discovered that priests were raping nuns in Africa and India and some who became pregnant were forced to have abortions.

WHY THE ABUSE SCANDAL WILL BE DIFFERENT

The Vatican has held itself above man's laws, and the membership has reluctantly supported the Church in the claim that they are above scrutiny, answering only to God.

God, however, is not without His own rules.

When priests take their vows, they consecrate themselves to the Church, they become a servant of the membership and enjoy Divine protection. They take a vow of chastity. To violate this vow is to commit a sacrilege, which is to desecrate or defile a sacred object. Anyone who knowingly assists in this violation, or is party to it, is also guilty of a sacrilege.

Therefore, priests having sex with anyone – whether it be children, other priests or adult females is committing a sacrilege.

In 2001, Pope John Paul II declared that priests having sex with a minor was delictum gravius, also known as a grave or mortal sin. A mortal sin is one so serious, that it is believed to spiritually separate the sinner from God. Some mortal sins are grounds for automatic excommunication and to die after committing one without repenting would result in the sinner spending eternity in Hell with forgiveness being left up to the mercy of God Almighty.

In order to repent, the sinner must confess full details, names, times, etc. A sexual abuser would be required to confess to every victim, deed, and thought in this regard.

What should have been done, what was within the power of the Vatican to do, is to send these offenders to a monastery to engage in meditation and spiritual pursuit away from the membership. Additionally, this would have removed the temptation for these priests to re-offend, and the number of victims would be lessened. Had the Church handled abusers in this manner, likely, the crimes would have been excused, like so many atrocities in the past.

The smoking gun which will bring down the Vatican is that these priests who were separated from God, who were mortal sinners, were allowed to celebrate the Mass, hear confessions, marry couples and give last rites. The leadership moved these unqualified priests to new parishes, knowing full well they had not repented and, as a result, they became party to a sacrilege.

NO JUSTICE FOR VICTIMS

The Vatican thought these sins were so serious, that in 1962, they issued the Crimen sollicitationis (The Crime of Solicitation) letter to all bishops and high ranking officials which was kept secret until 2001. While the letter did discuss the discipline of sexual abusers, it swore anyone involved in the investigation to absolute secrecy, including the victims. The letter forbade the accuser or anyone involved from reporting the crime to civil authorities.

The bigger problem was that the penalty for disclosure was automatic excommunication. Priests found guilty of sexual abuse were only defrocked as an “extreme penalty,” and was only be used as punishment if the defendant had “attained such a degree of temerity and habitude [sic], that there seems to be no hope, humanly speaking, or almost no hope, of his amendment.” Victims who speak out would be cut off from the Church, and from God – there would be no offers of rehabilitation for them, their sins would not be overlooked, there would be no chance to repent.

In other words, priests who rape children and members who turn them in are being held to two different standards. It doesn't take much effort to reach the conclusion that God's laws have been ignored by the clergy.

The Vatican, and even the Pope, can claim to be above man's laws but they are not above God's laws, they are ultimately accountable to the Church as a whole as they too have been consecrated to the membership. The leadership has been very vocal about warning members against engaging in “petty gossip” about the sexual abuse, and therefore, most Catholics are unaware of the nature of the crimes or the extent of the cover up. As they are called to defend the Pope and the Vatican, they will be exposed to more documentation about the leadership's involvement in perpetuating mortal sins.

Once it becomes widespread and well known, the bishops will point to the Cardinals and claim they were only following orders. Someone will have to be sacrificed. The rallying cry will most likely come from US Catholics who have spent the last decade digging out from over a billion dollars in settlements to victims with no financial assistance from Rome.

No one in a position of authority is going to take the fall for this, nor will the membership accept a scapegoat. The membership will call for the resignation of someone in authority, and that may very well be the Pope.

SOURCES:

[link to www.vatican.va]

[link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

[link to www.newadvent.org]

[link to www.newadvent.org]

[link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

[link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

[link to www.boston.com]

[link to www.boston.com]

[link to shtf411.com]
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Can we look at the BIG picture here?

The Holy Roman Catholic Church with its pope, The Vicar of Christ on Earth, is inflamed with hundreds of allegations that its priests (which, if you did not know, are all representivies of Christ on earth) are freely having sex, many of whom are homosexuals, and too many of whom are sexual predators against children.

WTF?

If the Pope of Rome is THE VICAR OF CHRIST ON EARTH, THEN WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE PROTECTING THE CHILDREN WHO ARE THE VICTIMS OF THESE MEN WHO ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF CHRIST ON EARTH?

Well, you can guess the answer as well as I can. But I would like to give you my impression of what Mr. Jesus H. Fucken Christ might say, if he were back here on the planet, about this situation...

I believe he would say something like...

You did WHAT IN MY NAME????

And then I wouldn't be surprised if he would say...
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Waiting for that reply about the Great Warning. If you are
shown by God the true Church is the Roman Catholic Church,
what are you going to do?

The sad thing is, if only you would see the "light" now, you
will be better prepared.
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Why? John Paul didn't do anything either. These priests getting sued started in the early 90's!
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1/5/04

excerpt from a message to His priests.

words from Jesus:


..."My chosen sons, reach out to your lost brothers and call upon My intercession for these brothers are causing this division in My church. I have told you that you’ve been given this time of preparation for my people will come in great numbers. You will see several events taking place for as I have told you, there will be earthquake after earthquake, and there will be great disease and famine.

You must prepare for so many souls will be called to stand before Me, for My people will come in great numbers. You will experience My warning for all the world to see their soul through My eyes and so many will come running when they witness the filth on their soul; and you will be called at this time more than any other time in your mission to show you are My true disciple."...

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Jesus is speaking to priests about Confession (John 20:23).
Priests will be overwhelmed after everyone sees the state
of theirs souls.
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Do you not realize a priest is our means
to God's grace and why satan attacks a priest more than
any other person on the earth?Quoting 962716




Here is the means to my "Protestant" Grace:

1Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, The man Christ Jesus

This is who I confess to, pray to, and praise. All men are fallen
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I meant to type "their souls."

If I see one more Protestant prophetic message about
the "awakening", about unity, every day there is a new one!

This is God's help to prepare our brothers and sisters in Christ!
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Do you not realize a priest is our means
to God's grace and why satan attacks a priest more than
any other person on the earth?Quoting 962716




Here is the means to my "Protestant" Grace:

1Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, The man Christ Jesus

This is who I confess to, pray to, and praise. All men are fallen
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You deny all the helps believed by the Church from day one.

There is a priesthood in the Old Testament, where is the
Protestant priesthood OhWow? There isn't one, your man
Luther denied the authority Christ gave priests in
His ministerial priesthood.

Why do you ignore..."Whose sins you shall forgive, they are
forgiven"...the words of Christ to the Apostles, the first
priests.

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