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Ummmmm...DOOM!!!!!!!!!!

 
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OP missed the memo on global warming being completely fabricated for people like Al Gore to make a trillion trading carbon credits.

another do

Go read about Methane Gas layering our atmosphere..

This is no Al Gore bullshit...Al Gore is a scam artist..

This is the real deal...

The true consequences of this are far beyond fixing in any way..

There are no carbon cuts or taxes that could fix something like this..

A sudden massive amount of methane leaking into the atmosphere means goodnight, game over...

They better stop this thing and quick or we are fucked...Period
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OR...

Everyone here keeps repeating this but they don't even mention what exactly it means. Pretty heavy on the theatrics, but light on the substance.
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We're talking about a huge fuel/air explosive. Think about a daisycutter the size of the Gulf. That would cut the heads off a lot of daisies.
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Methane is a chemical compound with the chemical formula CH4. It is the simplest alkane, and the principal component of natural gas. Methane's bond angles are 109.5 degrees. Burning methane in the presence of oxygen produces carbon dioxide and water. The relative abundance of methane makes it an attractive fuel. However, because it is a gas at normal temperature and pressure, methane is difficult to transport from its source. In its natural gas form, it is generally transported in bulk by pipeline or LNG carriers; few countries transport it by truck.

Methane was discovered and isolated by Alessandro Volta between 1776 and 1778 when studying marsh gas from Lake Maggiore.

Methane is a relatively potent greenhouse gas. Compared with carbon dioxide, it has a high global warming potential of 72 (calculated over a period of 20 years) or 25 (for a time period of 100 years).[2] Methane in the atmosphere is eventually oxidized, producing carbon dioxide and water. As a result, methane in the atmosphere has a half life of seven years[citation needed].

The abundance of methane in the Earth's atmosphere in 1998 was 1745 parts per billion (ppb), up from 700 ppb in 1750. By 2008, however, global methane levels, which had stayed mostly flat since 1998, had risen to 1,800 ppb[3]. By 2010, methane levels, at least in the arctic, were measured at 1850 ppb, a level scientists described as being higher than at any time in the previous 400,000 years.[4] (Historically, methane concentrations in the world's atmosphere have ranged between 300 and 400 ppb during glacial periods commonlly known as ice ages, and between 600 to 700 ppb during the warm interglacial periods).

In addition, there is a large, but unknown, amount of methane in methane clathrates in the ocean floors. The Earth's crust contains huge amounts of methane. Large amounts of methane are produced anaerobically by methanogenesis. Other sources include mud volcanoes, which are connected with deep geological faults, landfill and livestock (primarily ruminants) from enteric fermentation.

Atmospheric methane
Methane is created near the Earth's surface, primarily in soils, rivers/seas and in animal innards. It is carried into the stratosphere by rising air in the tropics. Uncontrolled build-up of methane in the atmosphere is naturally checked — although human influence can upset this natural regulation — by methane's reaction with hydroxyl radicals formed from singlet oxygen atoms and with water vapor.

Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is an important greenhouse gas with a global warming potential of 25 compared to CO2 over a 100-year period. This means that a methane emission will have 25 times the impact on temperature of a carbon dioxide emission of the same mass over the following 100 years. Methane has a large effect for a brief period (a net lifetime of 8.4 years in the atmosphere), whereas carbon dioxide has a small effect for a long period (over 100 years). Because of this difference in effect and time period, the global warming potential of methane over a 20 year time period is 72. The Earth's methane concentration has increased by about 150% since 1750, and it accounts for 20% of the total radiative forcing from all of the long-lived and globally mixed greenhouse gases.[17] Usually, excess methane from landfills and other natural producers of methane is burned so CO2 is released into the atmosphere instead of methane, because methane is such a more effective greenhouse gas. Recently, methane emitted from coal mines has been successfully utilized to generate electricity.

Arctic methane release from permafrost and clathrates is an expected consequence of global warming.[18]

In prehistoric times, large methane excursions have been linked with dramatic shifts in the Earth's climate, notably during the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum and during the Permian-Triassic extinction event, which was the worst ever mass extinction.
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So NONE of this shit is our fault after all, is it? Just as I thought.
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As if OPS video wasn't bad enough. This NASA expert says hydrate methane creates tsunamis

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Now that the SuperDome was clogged with Methane Hydrates, we know that Methane IS indeed leaking out...



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I have not watched TV for over 10 years.
I only rarely watch videos online occasionally.
I think I've only ever seen a handful of Youtube or Liveleak videos.

I Never watch TV where I am because who wants to watch Korean Soap Operas, Kung Fu fantasies, inane Game Shows, and Historical Dramas 24/7 in a language too difficult to comprehend?


Take it from someone who has been free of Western Propaganda Outlets for over a Decade...this video is sheer manipulative dreck designed to scare the sheeple.

Amazing how the reporter states everything as a fact. His over the top doom narrative is loaded with NLP techniques. It's easy to see why many people in the West would buy into the Global Warming lie and other big lies, especially if they are exposed to this shitty kind of propaganda on a daily basis.

Oh. I should add, the internet and websites are also very good at manipulation by spreading this kind of video online. SO if you think you are free of the PTB propaganda because you just get your info from the net and not TV or other mainstream sources, think again.

IF you come to GLP because you think you are a freethinker,
think again...these kinds of stories are rampant here.
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FUCK this GUY!!! The OP is Global Warming Shill
Global Warming is a Fucking Scam!!!! Im supposed to believe the planet has never heated until Bush got into office?
FUCK OFF bsflag bsflag bsflag shill
 Quoting: nwdoom



Al Gore is just another fall guy. They knew earth was warming up, and what was causing it. THey just changed the reasons (lied) saying it was cattle gas, our car fumes, etc. etc, instead of telling us the truth. It's all about money. You can't make a polar ice cap pay you any money, but tell the sheep they are making the ice caps melt, and they'll pay their fines like good little citizens, meanwhile the ice caps keep melting.
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Now that the SuperDome was clogged with Methane Hydrates, we know that Methane IS indeed leaking out...




Is there a youtube link? Can't see imbedded vids on this mobile.
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I know Trinity really needs to stop stealing youtube vids.
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As if OPS video wasn't bad enough. This NASA expert says hydrate methane creates tsunamis

[link to www.youtube.com]
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FUCK this GUY!!! The OP is Global Warming Shill
Global Warming is a Fucking Scam!!!! Im supposed to believe the planet has never heated until Bush got into office?
FUCK OFF
 Quoting: nwdoom

God but you're stupid. I imagine you believe in the rapture too.
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We're talking about a huge fuel/air explosive. Think about a daisycutter the size of the Gulf. That would cut the heads off a lot of daisies.
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So it would just be a really quick flash explosion. How is that a big thing? What would be the consequences?
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IF you come to GLP because you think you are a freethinker,
think again...these kinds of stories are rampant here.
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Yeah well try and "deprogram" yourself from atmospheric chemistry then get back to us. yeahsure
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FUCK this GUY!!! The OP is Global Warming Shill
Global Warming is a Fucking Scam!!!! Im supposed to believe the planet has never heated until Bush got into office?
FUCK OFF
 Quoting: nwdoom



Well arent you a complete fool...... you didnt even take the time to watch the vid or read the thread fucken idiot!!!

The point is people are NOT causing global warming the planet is warming up in a completely nonrelated cycle with the rest of the solar system. Or do we cause the poles melting on mars also and the bands on jupiter to disapeaqr also moran!!
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We're talking about a huge fuel/air explosive. Think about a daisycutter the size of the Gulf. That would cut the heads off a lot of daisies.


So it would just be a really quick flash explosion. How is that a big thing? What would be the consequences?
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I would rather not find out...
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WoW
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FUCK this GUY!!! The OP is Global Warming Shill
Global Warming is a Fucking Scam!!!! Im supposed to believe the planet has never heated until Bush got into office?
FUCK OFF bsflag bsflag bsflag shill
 Quoting: nwdoom



Hit the nail on the head. They should burn the oil.

More CO2 = accelerated growth of plant matter. Ain't nothing humans are doing that dents nature more than 0.03% in a given year and it rebalances over consecutive years. Now when one talks about ejecting CO2 into outerspace, then we are talking major irreversible harm to the biosphere.
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FUCK this GUY!!! The OP is Global Warming Shill
Global Warming is a Fucking Scam!!!! Im supposed to believe the planet has never heated until Bush got into office?
FUCK OFF bsflag bsflag bsflag shill



Hit the nail on the head. They should burn the oil.

More CO2 = accelerated growth of plant matter. Ain't nothing humans are doing that dents nature more than 0.03% in a given year and it rebalances over consecutive years. Now when one talks about ejecting CO2 into outerspace, then we are talking major irreversible harm to the biosphere.
 Quoting: AimUnit111 969026


Ummm, this isnt about humans..

This is about a massive amount of uncontrolled methane gas releasing into our atmosphere with no end in sight...
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This should be pinned.

If we can keep off the whole "manmade" global warning argument, because that's not the issue. We are not the only planet in our solar system going through seriously significant changes. This is a natural cycle, which we are caught up in.

The frozen methane under the sea bed being disturbed is some very serious FUCKING DOOOOOM.


EXPLAIN IT PLEASE.

How is this "doom". What are the implications, and what evidence suggests it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 958499

[link to www.realclimate.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Start there.
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This should be pinned.

If we can keep off the whole "manmade" global warning argument, because that's not the issue. We are not the only planet in our solar system going through seriously significant changes. This is a natural cycle, which we are caught up in.

The frozen methane under the sea bed being disturbed is some very serious FUCKING DOOOOOM.


EXPLAIN IT PLEASE.

How is this "doom". What are the implications, and what evidence suggests it?

[link to www.realclimate.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Start there.
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Ocean hydrates. Most of the methane hydrate is in sediments of the ocean. Of that, most is what can be called the stratigraphic-type deposits. Organic carbon from plankton is buried over millions of years. Hundreds of meters below the sea floor, bacteria produce methane from the dead plankton. If methane is produced quickly enough, some of it will freeze into methane hydrates. This type of deposit holds thousands of gigatons of carbon as methane [Buffett and Archer, 2004; Milkov, 2004]. For comparison, the most abundant type of traditional fossil fuel is coal, which is typically credited with about 5000 Gton C [Rogner, 1997].

Sometimes the methane moves around in the earth, and collects someplace, forming what are called structural hydrate deposits. The Gulf of Mexico, for example, is basically a leaky oil field [MacDonald et al., 2005]. One implication of gas moving around and pooling like this is that the hydrate concentration can be higher, even to the point of what they call massive deposits, lumps of nearly pure hydrate. The second bottom line is that the hydrate can be found much closer to the sea floor, and even on the sea floor.
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What an unbelievable amount of crap..

Methane is less of a greenhouse gas than CO2 is..

Talk about getting desperate..

NO CAP AND TRADE!!!!!!
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FUCK this GUY!!! The OP is Global Warming Shill
Global Warming is a Fucking Scam!!!! Im supposed to believe the planet has never heated until Bush got into office?
FUCK OFF bsflag bsflag bsflag shill
 Quoting: nwdoom

stfu fuckoff2 granny
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[link to www.ehow.com]

Methane is a gas that remains in the atmosphere for up to 15 years. This greenhouse gas is produced by many natural and human-influenced sources. Landfills, coal mines and wastewater treatment, natural gas and petroleum facilities are only a few of the sources that emit this gas. It is more than 20 times more effective than carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere. It is, however, an important energy source. Many companies in the United States are trying to reduce emissions of methane through management methods and technologies.

Asphyxiation
Methane is nontoxic on its own but can become lethal when it combines with another gas. Methane causes asphyxiation by displacing oxygen. It may produce symptoms of dizziness and headache, but these often go unnoticed until the brain signals the body to gasp for air. This happens too late, and the individual collapses. Because of the lack of oxygen, the result is usually death.

Explosion
Methane is extremely flammable and will easily cause explosions. It can leak unnoticed into structures and spaces, and a tiny spark can ignite the undetected gas. Explosions from methane gas are extremely strong, and the damage is devastating. The explosions associated with methane gas are not limited to the space that has the highest concentration, but anywhere it has seeped. It may be in one room, or it can travel through an entire city block.
Relation to Carbon Monoxide

Natural gas is 97 percent methane, and problems arise when there is an insufficient air supply available for ventilation. Carbon monoxide, a by-product of methane gas, is a clear, odorless, colorless, tasteless, non-irritating gas. It is, however, very deadly. Symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning include headache, dizziness, nausea, confusion, seizures, unconsciousness, rapid heartbeat and high blood pressure. Carbon monoxide attacks the central nervous system and may cause hallucinations and heightened emotions, sometimes causing the victim to have "supernatural experiences." Many times, the milder symptoms are mistaken for other things, such as flu, depression, chronic fatigue syndrome and migraines. Many people suffer permanent heart damage after exposure to carbon monoxide, and as many as 500 people a year lose their lives to the gas.

Detection
Like smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors, methane detectors are available to alert you when dangerous gases are present. The audible alarm is a safeguard against poisoning from the deadly gas and from explosions that can result from methane leaks.

Considerations
Methane levels can vary from one area to another. It occurs naturally through sources such as wetlands, termites, freshwater bodies, oceans, permafrost and wildfires. The majority of natural methane emissions come from wetlands, with termites being the second-largest natural source.
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What a crock of bsflag!
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What a crock of bsflag!
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Yep, total bs...

Why dont you educate yourself on Methane Hydrates

Then come back with your argument..
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whatever I'll believe it when it blows. Sure will be interesting when they bomb it. Don't you love knowing that Haliburton is likely to thank for it all. popcorn
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What an unbelievable amount of crap..

Methane is less of a greenhouse gas than CO2 is..

Talk about getting desperate..

NO CAP AND TRADE!!!!!!
 Quoting: ShaneCMuir

sockpuppet
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What an unbelievable amount of crap..

Methane is less of a greenhouse gas than CO2 is..

Talk about getting desperate..

NO CAP AND TRADE!!!!!!
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Welcome to chemetry fail 101.
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What an unbelievable amount of crap..

Methane is less of a greenhouse gas than CO2 is..

Talk about getting desperate..

NO CAP AND TRADE!!!!!!
 Quoting: ShaneCMuir

People such as yourself dramatically illustrate why it is that we really are fucked and the doom everyone so very much wants really will be a certainty

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