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A very grim report on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Major cover up regarding the scope and severity of the disaster. BP to be nationalized?

 
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This was done intentionally. They want the people to sink.
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I don't know why this story keeps being posted ...

But what they could try is to make a very strong folding-umbrella type device, fold it up, push it down the relief well all the way to the reservoir point-first but the the "handle" still in the hole, then let it open up. It should spread out and cover the hole, blocking most of the flow.

Then pour lots of stuff down there and cement it, and hope the umbrella holds until the cement sets.
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Unless it's now become a giant oil spewing,gash in the ocean floor.....
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major bump

1 trillion dollars? this is sure to tank the economy eventually


If this actually makes its way up the east coast and is embedded in the gulf stream the 1 trillion dollar cost may be conservative. There is no telling what affect this would have on the Gulf Stream. Should the Gulf Stream cease to perform its climatological functions the ramifications could be far more severe.


I hadn't considered the climate and the ocean currents yet. Wow excellent point. That could theoretically cause the end of days.

I would make an uneducated guess that oil weighs more than water and would be take more energy to move it in the gulf stream current. This could potentially shut down the gulf stream and basically put Europe into a climatological cool down.



Oil is lighter than water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 905924


Which leads to the question will the oil heat up, cool down or have no effect on the water below it? I'm guessing the sheen reflects the sunlight back up towards space and thus keeps the water below cooler. Then again it may act like an insulator and warm up the waters below.

Any scientists here that can help explain this?
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So how many heads will roll at BP? And how many BP execs will get promoted to join Obama's National Energy crew of mismanagement misfits?
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Quick! Everyone get a haircut! We can soak up this oil!

We are so screwed. So long and thanks for all the fish.
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So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Bwahahha!
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SkyTruth.com estimates the true spill rate is more than 1 million gallons a day, based on satellite and Coast Guard images.

At that rate, there is an estimated 21 million gallons of oil currently floating around the Gulf of Mexico.

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Not even in the top 50 yet.
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Gulf oil spill???

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438


+1,000,000,000,000

Exactly what I've been saying. There is NO coverage on the news.

I even sent an email to CNN about it, and of course they ignored it.

There is no news anymore, it's all news-free entertainment for the masses of ignorant sheep.


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Pandora's Box has been opened ...

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"so long and thanks for all the fish"

Where did I put my towel?
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too_sad
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No fucking words to describe how fucking horrible this is.


heartbreak
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This is going to be the worst environmental disaster in the history of the world.


Other than the asteroid that killed of the dinosaurs, lol.
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Actually, it was the Great Flood that killed the dinosaurs.
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"Fact- Methane- a gas enough to wipe out the coastal population in one burst

Fact- Methane- a tidal wave the size of the mountain of Methane 1 mile deep"

where are you getting this info?
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[link to oilprice.com]

There are plans to evacuate people with respiratory problems, especially those among the retired senior population along the west coast of Florida, before officials begin burning surface oil as it begins to near the coastline.



They are going to have to evacuate Florida. Nothing down there but old people and their parents.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 966335

Hey, I got news for you.
There are at this time probably more people under 40 than over 40, living in Florida.

When those old folks came here to retire their kids visited them and liked it here, and so became permanent residents.
And they all reproduced until today we have to keep building new schools.
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It's in cnn's top list now - twice:

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Barbara Walters to have heart surgery
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This is going to be the worst environmental disaster in the history of the world.


Other than the asteroid that killed of the dinosaurs, lol.


Actually, it was the Great Flood that killed the dinosaurs.
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Nuke the oil spill: Could nuclear bomb be answer for huge leaks as at US Gulf coast?


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any info out there on the methane being released? i can't find any.
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CNN Top stories (real time)

President Obama has selected Solicitor General Elena Kagan
as the Supreme Court nominee to replace the retiring John
Paul Stevens, sources said Sunday.

- Kagan called consensus-builder

- Who is Elena Kagan? l Fast facts

- Why Kagan could have long impact

- Watch announcement at 10 a.m. ET



Latest News

- EU approves $560B Europe crisis fund

- Stock futures soar CNNMoney

- Singer, actress Lena Horne dead at 92

- Russian mine blasts kill at least 30

- 22 dead in Iraqi violence

- Mumbai gunman: 'We were sure to die'

- Humble start for perfect-game hurler SI

- Ticker: Dem, GOPer agree on oil

- U.S. troops march in Moscow

- 800-pound gator snagged in bayou

- Girl sucked into 18-inch drain

- Intriguing: 'Don't ask, don't tell' foe

- Holder: Pakistani Taliban directed plot

- Mothers mourn slain Chicago children

- Tracking tigers in Korea's DMZ

- Transracial adoption controversy

- 'Iron Man 2' wins weekend box office




Gulf oil spill???

- 'Iron Man 2' wins weekend box office
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438



Good point.... the potential impact of this spill is not being covered enough. The media has the power to inform the public of reality but if they do it truly could cause a worldwide panic... I never thought I would see the way visionaries have predicted doomsday would unfold, misinformation. There is nowhere to hide, nowhere to run, nothing we can do except to watch the planet die.
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any info out there on the methane being released? i can't find any.
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BP’s oil spill fight plagued by methane hydrates, a hazard of deep water

[link to blogs.ft.com]

BP is turning to desperate measures in its battle to stop its oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, proposing to fire bits of tyre and golf balls into the failed blow-out preventer on the sea bed, to plug the leaking pipe.

It has been forced to consider such extreme tactics by the failure of its attempt to use a “coffer dam” - a 100-tonne steel and concrete box - to trap the oil. As the attempt started, BP warned that coffer dams had never previously been used in such deep water, and its experience has shown that the conditions 5,000 feet down do indeed make things much more difficult.

The problem at those depths has been the formation of gas hydrates, ice crystals described as “jelly like” by one former drilling engineer, which filled the top of the container and made it impossible to use it to pump the oil up to the surface.

The problems have highlighted the issue of gas hydrates: strange substances that create a variety of hazards, but may also offer a huge opportunity.


Gas hydrates are formed when molecules of methane or other gases are trapped in water crystals. They are found at the sea bed and trapped in permafrost, created by high pressure and low temperature environments.

They are well-known hazards for pipelines, but many aspects of their behaviour are still not fully understood.

It has been suggested that they may have been responsible for the leakage of gas into the Deepwater Horizon’s drill riser that appears to have caused the last month’s explosion.

A presentation last year by an engineer at Halliburton, the oil services company that was responsible for cementing the well to secure it, highlighted the risks that could be presented by gas hydrates for deep-water cement jobs.

The presentation warned:

Gas flow may occur after a cement job in deepwater environments that contain major hydrate zones.

Destabilization of hydrates after the cement job is confirmed by downhole cameras.

The gas flow could slow down in hours to days if the de- stabilization is not severe.

However, the consequences could be more severe in worse cases

It is likely to take the conclusion of the full investigations into the accident to determine whether hydrates were an issue in this case.

On a global scale, hydrates are also one of the main issues that raise concerns about the possibility of catastrophic runaway global warming. Methane is a greenhouse gas, with about 25 times the warming impact of carbon dioxide. If huge quantities were released from the sea bed and permafrost by warming oceans and global temperatures, some experts believe the effects would be devastating.

As the environmentalist Mark Lynas says, the release of methane from hydrates was responsible for global warming during the Eocene era, 55 million years ago:

Fossils even show that breadfruit trees were growing on the coast of Greenland, while the Arctic Ocean saw water temperatures of 20C within 200km of the North Pole itself. There was no ice at either pole; forests were probably growing in central Antarctica

He adds:

As the oceans warm, [methane hydrates] could be released once more in a terrifying echo of that methane belch of 55 million years ago. In the process, moreover, the seafloor could slump as the gas is released, sparking massive tsunamis that would further devastate the coasts.

Meanwhile, however, the possible benefits of gas hydrates were highlighted in the the New Scientist last year, which suggested they could one day be an important source of fossil fuel supplies.

The article noted:

The US Department of Energy is now working with the oil company ConocoPhillips on a field trial in Alaska (pdf), to test whether the technique can be scaled up

In Alaska’s North Slope alone, recoverable reserves of hydrates are estimated by the US Geological Survey to hold about 2,400bn cubic metres of gas: equivalent to four years of total US gas production. Worldwide, there are estimated to be at least ten quadrillion - that is, ten billion billion - cubic metres of gas in hydrates: enough to meet global demand for four thousand years!

If those trials pay off, the deep water may be more useful as a source of hydrates than a source of oil.
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GLP has sure degenerated IQ wise...How many of you realize that you don't have any idea what youre babbling about?
BP is a british corporation, the United States nationalizing it would be upsetting to the British, I'm sure. Is Dick Cheney 'putin' the meat to BP?...you betcha!
This is a catastrophic disaster for BP, it's a drop of oil in a mudpuddle in the gulf. Biological and enviromental factors will break the oil down, at first into a tar and eventually into benign organic molecules. The worst thing about oil is the volatiles, which evaporate away
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So where is the oil on this pic?
Shouldn't we at least be able to see the Well area where all thes millions of gallons of oil are gushing to the surface?

[link to ge.ssec.wisc.edu]
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There is currently a $75 million dollar cap on BP's liability. Yes, it will be you and I who pay for this.
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They are well-known hazards for pipelines, but many aspects of their behaviour are still not fully understood.



IF they are well known hazards , shouldn't this eventuality have been considered?

I guess at a certain point they MONETIZE the risk> or whatever it's called when you say screw it and get insurance "just in case" ?
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GLP has sure degenerated IQ wise...How many of you realize that you don't have any idea what youre babbling about?
BP is a british corporation, the United States nationalizing it would be upsetting to the British, I'm sure. Is Dick Cheney 'putin' the meat to BP?...you betcha!
This is a catastrophic disaster for BP, it's a drop of oil in a mudpuddle in the gulf. Biological and enviromental factors will break the oil down, at first into a tar and eventually into benign organic molecules. The worst thing about oil is the volatiles, which evaporate away
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You are as stupid as this guy.
[link to blog.timesunion.com]
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i say u now so u believe me may 15

....sick oil
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They are well-known hazards for pipelines, but many aspects of their behaviour are still not fully understood.



IF they are well known hazards , shouldn't this eventuality have been considered?

I guess at a certain point they MONETIZE the risk> or whatever it's called when you say screw it and get insurance "just in case" ?
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seems like the methane could be just as damaging as the crude oil...
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I don't know why this story keeps being posted ...

But what they could try is to make a very strong folding-umbrella type device, fold it up, push it down the relief well all the way to the reservoir point-first but the the "handle" still in the hole, then let it open up. It should spread out and cover the hole, blocking most of the flow.

Then pour lots of stuff down there and cement it, and hope the umbrella holds until the cement sets.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 913496


Like a catheter?...





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