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A very grim report on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Major cover up regarding the scope and severity of the disaster. BP to be nationalized?

 
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seems like the methane could be just as damaging as the crude oil...
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Where is the oil on this pic?
Where is the oil well on this pic.

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I would make an uneducated guess that oil weighs more than water and would be take more energy to move it in the gulf stream current. This could potentially shut down the gulf stream and basically put Europe into a climatological cool down.
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Uneducated guess, for sure. Oil is lighter and floats. Oil & water do not mix. What's at the top of your Italian dressing in the bottle? Oil.
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Where is the oil on this pic?
Where is the oil well on this pic.

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The gray swirly stuff smack dab in the center of the pic.
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Methane Hydrate Eruptions

* Huge reservoirs of methane trapped beneath the ocean floor rapidly escaped during prehistoric global warming and depleted much of the sea's oxygen, according to new research into why many forms of life suddenly vanished 183 million years ago. The findings, reported in the journal Nature, shed new light not only on the disappearance of as many as 80 percent of some deep-sea species but also a process suspected in other prehistoric mass extinctions
* 55 million years ago a series of methane gas blasts may have choked the atmosphere with greenhouse gases at a pace similar to that at which the burning of fossil fuels pumps them into the air today.
* At the end of an epoch of time known as the Paleocene, temperatures in the deep ocean soared by about six degrees Celsius. This worldwide heat wave killed off a plethora of microscopic deep-sea creatures and produced a bizarre spike in the record of carbon isotopes. 55 percent of the species of deep-sea forams had disappeared from the fossil record in a blink of an eye in geologic time—less than 10,000 years. Five years ago paleoceanographer Gerald ("Jerry") Dickens of James Cook University Of in Australia proposed that a belch of seafloor methane—a greenhouse gas with almost 30 times the heat-trapping ability of carbon dioxide—caused the shock.

* Methane hydrate is formed beneath the sea floor when algae from the surface dies and sinks. Normally a gas, the methane is locked in an ice-like state but is susceptible to changes in pressure and temperature.
* Paleontologists have long known that the dawning of the Eocene Epoch 55 million years ago was the beginning of the modern era of mammals - with humans to become the most successful of the new creatures - but they didn't know what caused it. ''It's amazing that changes in the deep oceans could cause the dispersal of new mammals across the land,'' said William Clyde, a specialist of mammalian evolution at the University of New Hampshire. ''It's amazing there are all these connections.''





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1) Vast quantities of methane were stored as frozen gas hydrate in the upper 1,500 feet of continental slope sediments.

2) MICROSCOPIC CREATURES, including this foraminifer called Stensioina beccariiforrnis, died in droves when their ocean-bottom homes heated up during a worldwide climate fever about 55 million years ago.



Historic global warming linked to methane release

By John Roach

An intense period of global warming about 55.5 million years ago has been linked to a massive release of methane, an event that killed many deep-sea species and enabled terrestrial animals to flourish, according to an article in today's issue of the journal Science.

The warming, known as the "latest Paleocene thermal maximum," occurred over a 10,000 to 20,000-year interval and corresponds to the appearance of numerous mammals (including primates) and the extinction or temporary disappearance of many deep-sea species.

The link between this warming period and the methane release is based on analysis of a sediment core taken from the ocean floor and is the first tangible evidence of a long held hypothesis, said Dorothy Pak, a researcher at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and co-author of the study.

According to the hypothesis, vast quantities of methane were stored as frozen gas hydrate in the upper 1,500 feet of continental slope sediments before the latest Paleocene thermal maximum, during which ocean waters warmed by 7 to 14 degrees.


Mass extinction traced to oceanic methane burp

Oxford scientists studied fossil wood deposits and identified a signal that they say indicates an unusual level of light carbon in the Earth's atmosphere.

"It's a question of trying to identify what the source of the light carbon would be," Hesselbo said. "The best explanation in this case is that it comes from methane -- methane hydrate from ocean margin sediment."

The researchers believe massive volcanic eruptions during the Jurassic period initiated global warming by spewing carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Deep-sea currents also were affected.

Methane, freed from its suboceanic cage by warmer water, then used the oxygen in the water or atmosphere to form carbon dioxide. In either case, it would have accelerated global warming.

"A number of important fossil groups disappeared at exactly that time," Hesselbo said. "The extinction and the association with the lack of oxygen has been fairly well established, but the association with methane release is something that hasn't been realized before."
Bottom Feeders affected the most

Hardest hit were bottom-feeding clam-like organisms known as bivalves: An estimated 80 percent of the species disappeared. Others affected included ostacods, belemnites and some marine plants.

The researchers believe the event took place over a period of 5,000 years -- a blink in geologic time. The release was estimated to be 20 percent of the present-day 14,000 billion tons of gas hydrate on the sea floor.
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Geez, I wish people would calm down about this...It's not that big of a spill...I'm not saying it's not bad just not the end of the world...there have been far worse...

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from here:

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thanks ac399...
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Nuke the oil spill: Could nuclear bomb be answer for huge leaks as at US Gulf coast?



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That's a crap shoot and not a good one if the opposite happens. Collapses sea bed and releases even more oil. Ignites the methane and creates a huge explosion or fire. Adds radiation to the pollutants already toxifying the gulf.
Tsunami hits gulf coast US and east coast of Mexico, blasts up the Rio Grande for miles and floods. Potential to set off volcanic activity in Mexico and western US. (Magma reservoirs connected and could be disturbed by such a blast in the gulf) < might solve the illegal problem, LOL, but at what cost!

So, what are the odds it could seal the hole against the odds of any or all of these other nasty things happening?
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Geez, I wish people would calm down about this...It's not that big of a spill...I'm not saying it's not bad just not the end of the world...there have been far worse...

Oil spill comparison...
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i imagine this incident will be climbing that ladder rather quickly...will pass exxon in 2-3 weeks
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major bump

1 trillion dollars? this is sure to tank the economy eventually


If this actually makes its way up the east coast and is embedded in the gulf stream the 1 trillion dollar cost may be conservative. There is no telling what affect this would have on the Gulf Stream. Should the Gulf Stream cease to perform its climatological functions the ramifications could be far more severe.


I hadn't considered the climate and the ocean currents yet. Wow excellent point. That could theoretically cause the end of days.

I would make an uneducated guess that oil weighs more than water and would be take more energy to move it in the gulf stream current. This could potentially shut down the gulf stream and basically put Europe into a climatological cool down.

Wrong, oil floats.
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not after we put that handy dandy chemical dispersant into it it sinks and rides BELOW THE WAVES,,,my next movie...
kudos to BP ."that red sure is purdy..against a skyblue mind"
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Geez, I wish people would calm down about this...It's not that big of a spill...I'm not saying it's not bad just not the end of the world...there have been far worse...

Oil spill comparison...
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i imagine this incident will be climbing that ladder rather quickly...will pass exxon in 2-3 weeks
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I thought they all ready reported that this was many times larger than exxon disaster.
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Where is the oil on this pic?
Where is the oil well on this pic.

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The gray swirly stuff smack dab in the center of the pic.
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WHERE IS THE WELL? WHY DON'T WE SEE THE WELL?
AND SHOULDN'T WE SEE A TRAIL FROM THE WELL TO WHAT YOU SAY IS THE FILM OF OIL -THAT GRAY SWIRLY STUFF?

HAS THE WELL STOPPED SPEWING OIL?
WHY DOESN'T IT SHOW UP ON THE PIC?
WE KNOW THE WELL IS NOT OFF THE COAST OF FLORIDA THERE, DON'T WE?
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major bump

1 trillion dollars? this is sure to tank the economy eventually


If this actually makes its way up the east coast and is embedded in the gulf stream the 1 trillion dollar cost may be conservative. There is no telling what affect this would have on the Gulf Stream. Should the Gulf Stream cease to perform its climatological functions the ramifications could be far more severe.


I hadn't considered the climate and the ocean currents yet. Wow excellent point. That could theoretically cause the end of days.

I would make an uneducated guess that oil weighs more than water and would be take more energy to move it in the gulf stream current. This could potentially shut down the gulf stream and basically put Europe into a climatological cool down.



Oil is lighter than water.
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not anymore, thank BP .you definitely made my butt pucker
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water needs to evaporate at a specific pace to form clouds most weather system forms are morphic and are random which is why weather forecasting can change in an instant so by this observation wouldn't this slow the rate at which clouds are able to form and make the planet allot hotter since the oil could theoretically limit to some extent the normal rate that clouds form forming a delay and dilation in cloud forming ?
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also wouldn't this create abnormally huge amounts of hurricane and jellyfish in areas that are dead zones?
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There are plans to evacuate people with respiratory problems, especially those among the retired senior population along the west coast of Florida, before officials begin burning surface oil as it begins to near the coastline.

for some reason this rings true - tptb want all the old ones gone. just like katrina, they wanted all the poor blacks gone..... bastards.

I now believe satan is in control, and I say to you satan "go back to f%#@cking hell" ...
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major bump

1 trillion dollars? this is sure to tank the economy eventually


If this actually makes its way up the east coast and is embedded in the gulf stream the 1 trillion dollar cost may be conservative. There is no telling what affect this would have on the Gulf Stream. Should the Gulf Stream cease to perform its climatological functions the ramifications could be far more severe.


I hadn't considered the climate and the ocean currents yet. Wow excellent point. That could theoretically cause the end of days.

I would make an uneducated guess that oil weighs more than water and would be take more energy to move it in the gulf stream current. This could potentially shut down the gulf stream and basically put Europe into a climatological cool down.



Oil is lighter than water.

Which leads to the question will the oil heat up, cool down or have no effect on the water below it? I'm guessing the sheen reflects the sunlight back up towards space and thus keeps the water below cooler. Then again it may act like an insulator and warm up the waters below.

Any scientists here that can help explain this?
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Yea cant we all just get along with our new oil sheened ocean ? First Charlie Sheen - now, This Dayum.chchchchchanges.
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Armageddon and The illuminati script published 2008 - what was deleted at glp, describing EXACTLY ONGOING events

* BREAKING * Financial Armageddon: attackers running out of ammo --- the Prophet's words from 2008
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Note that the Prophet's words at glp, that were recently deleted by the CIA, are still available in Google cache

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too_sad


No fucking words to describe how fucking horrible this is.


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+1,000.000.000
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seems like the methane could be just as damaging as the crude oil...
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way way more. funny how the media is putting all the emphasis on the oil...(reason for that)
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And all the Queen's horses and all the Queen's men
Couldn't find a thing with which to plug the oil well
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Geez, I wish people would calm down about this...It's not that big of a spill...I'm not saying it's not bad just not the end of the world...there have been far worse...

Oil spill comparison...
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Not being ignored... Bump
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Hate to pop your doom bubble but this isnt nearly as horrible as it's being played up to be, unless of course you happen to be invested in BP
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Theres nothing anyone can do to stop it,its like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

We need another disaster to take our minds off it.
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Re: A very grim report on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Major cover up regarding the scope and severity of the disaster. BP to be nationalized?
This is going to be the worst environmental disaster in the history of the world.
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You spoke the truth there.

I wish it were not so.
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05/10/2010 03:13 PM
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Re: A very grim report on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Major cover up regarding the scope and severity of the disaster. BP to be nationalized?
what is this I am seeing on TV that they plan to block it up with a bunch of junk?

did anyone else see this?
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Re: A very grim report on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Major cover up regarding the scope and severity of the disaster. BP to be nationalized?
This is going to be the worst environmental disaster in the history of the world.



You spoke the truth there.

I wish it were not so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 910164

Drama queen...

Geez, I wish people would calm down about this...It's not that big of a spill...I'm not saying it's not bad just not the end of the world...there have been far worse...

Oil spill comparison...
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