New fear in the Gulf

very good idea but I assume they are lying about diameter of hole and maybe more than one hole

Was at the beach today on Manasota Key in SWFL, and I didn't smell any oil. It was very beautiful. Got there at slack tide, and it was almost surreal. Very calm and relaxing.


I know

nothing better


hope it stays that way for you

Many folk that have contacts are telling me that BP has no working plan to stop the oil flow.

I am starting to think that what is bad know is only the beginning of worst. I know it sounds like just Doom talk but if you listen to what is being said you will notice a lack of any workable plan.

A failure of the well head works is still a major concern which would move the flow from 200,000 gallons daily to 1,000,000 gallons plus a day.


the absolute ideal solution is scalar EM technology - but they need a cover to say how they did it without giving away that they used scalar stuff

now, there have been extensive scalar line and grids in satellite photos over the gulf which suggests they are scanning the entire seabed to form a millimetre perfect 3D representation of it.

I would say, since scalar weapons used for this would work, that if it's not sealed in a month from now, we can assume it's deliberate.

So I guess they are arguing at the moment about risk of exposing to 'ordinary scientists' the scalar stuff they are trying to keep just for the military...

As an ordinary sort of guy myself, I don't know what scalar technology would work to block that sort of pressure. I've heard of things to cause gravity, but they would need to create local gravity many times the earth's gravity to make a plug stay in or on that hole and block the pressure.

Maybe it's time to give a crack team of GLP engineers a shot at it.

the solution to pollution is dilution,


no, seriously,
Christ caused the BIG SPILL,
because usa (obama) tried to destroy Israel,
with the ROADMAP TO PEACE,
which reduces Israel's size, to (supposedly) make it easier to annhilate,

we're incredibly wicked , to annhilate GOD'S CHOSEN NATION, ISRAEL,

You are an abomination to the church of Jesus Christ

And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. Jer. 18.4

HE WHO IS A JEW IS ONE INWARDLY-to any who would listen
YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN..spoken to one with the "right" lineage; a teacher of the law
WE ARE THE ISRAEL OF GOD..to followers of Christ

The Mosaic covenant was annulled because of carnal Israel's continued apostasy. God remade Israel..not replaced it or substituted Christianity for it-HE REMADE IT.

The Abrahamic covenant could not be broken for God made it with himself (remember Abraham was sleeping). Through David to Jesus to His followers..the born again are the seed of Abraham.

It's circumcision of the heart..all Israel shall indeed be saved..you just need to know who the real Israel is. It is precisely the lost church selling their own birthright that has caused the ongoing judgement

Sorry Ice..this heresy had to be answered..I hope we hear no more of this evil and we talk about the spill and its ramifications.

Maybe it's time to give a crack team of GLP engineers a shot at it.

I am not even talking about some of the fears I have about what might happen.

I am not talking Bible!

I am talking right now Doom that is going on and the TPTB
will not say one word about how bad this thing really is!


not a word!!!!!


thanks SHR

I know your tend to stick with the facts


the facts this time are not good


Ice, I asked you early in this thread about your thoughts about evacuations. You never replied but considering your proximity to the coast and everything you just said here, when do you believe it would be appropriate to try to leave the region? My consideration of relocation camps notwithstanding, I respect your history on GLP enough to listen to your view on this. Could there be a point when it will be too late to escape toxic and ecological effects? Take care!



I don't think you will see evacuations. I talked to a friend today after starting this thread and he lives of the coast. He says most of what he smells is the aftermath of burning. If this thing breaks free and puts 5 to 10 million gallons of oil in the Gulf daily I don't know to tell you the truth what will happen.

I have worked around pressure lines for over 30 years on and off. The first and only thing we do is go to the source.

Right now I work around 1400 psi lines and we work around them with great fear!!! If we would have a blow out we would do a E-stop shut down as soon as possible.

BP can't do that, they have broken into a zone 15,000 to 20,000 feet on the bottom of the Gulf at 5000 ft deep.
They could be 25,000 ft total depth down. The pressure could be 6,000 - 10,000 psi or it could be a pressure they didn't expect.

Something caused the blow-out! Something happened that was not expected. They can't stop this massive pressure because they have no source control. To make matter worst it's 5000 ft to the well works.

Going to the mountains might be a good idea for all of us soon. I have no idea!!


ice

Maybe it's time to give a crack team of GLP engineers a shot at it.


well

good luck guys


18 inch maybe - no facts - opening


6000 - 10,000 psi ?


good luck


nothing and I mean nothing I know can over come that source psi at that size opening


think about standing behind a jet engine at full throttle and think about forcing something into the exhaust

Many folk that have contacts are telling me that BP has no working plan to stop the oil flow.

I am starting to think that what is bad know is only the beginning of worst. I know it sounds like just Doom talk but if you listen to what is being said you will notice a lack of any workable plan.

A failure of the well head works is still a major concern which would move the flow from 200,000 gallons daily to 1,000,000 gallons plus a day.


the absolute ideal solution is scalar EM technology - but they need a cover to say how they did it without giving away that they used scalar stuff

now, there have been extensive scalar line and grids in satellite photos over the gulf which suggests they are scanning the entire seabed to form a millimetre perfect 3D representation of it.

I would say, since scalar weapons used for this would work, that if it's not sealed in a month from now, we can assume it's deliberate.

So I guess they are arguing at the moment about risk of exposing to 'ordinary scientists' the scalar stuff they are trying to keep just for the military...

As an ordinary sort of guy myself, I don't know what scalar technology would work to block that sort of pressure. I've heard of things to cause gravity, but they would need to create local gravity many times the earth's gravity to make a plug stay in or on that hole and block the pressure.


if I had my way - I would make a rule that all glpers had to read Fer De Lance by Tom Bearden before being allowed to post!!! LOL

crudely two beams cross whereever you want - where the beams cross can extract heat or emit heat

-huge amounts of energy could be pinpointly added or removed

so primarily you set up two beams which cross there and extract heat very abruptly

it freezes the oil nearly instantly - this is not science fiction any more - it is absurdly simple with the right scalar hardware.

that allows numerous other scalar work to be done on surrounding rocks to seal it

I'd love to post more detail but I must have a bath!!!

and then I have to eat - maybe later!!

Anyway just keep looking out for parallel lines in the clouds in the satellite photos...

That is showing they are in use already

Just quickly - I assume since weather engineering is also absurdly simple with scalar hardware that for the forseeable future we will see grids and parallel lines around Iceland in satellite photos for many months yet and every day on and off

they can steer the winds to prevent ash coming over UK and some of Europe

Hell - it's freezing where I am in south Kent UK

Last 7 days at least wind and weather is coming from due north relentlessly!!!!

a clear sign of major steering of the ash spewed out up in Iceland...

maybe the problem is not to stop it.
i mean, if you stop it, in one second, you will have some major issues with the pressure...
its a massive oil area. the flow will not 'stop', as the pressure...
not a good idea imho. the result can be really worst than the 'solution'.

maybe the problem is not to stop it.
i mean, if you stop it, in one second, you will have some major issues with the pressure...
its a massive oil area. the flow will not 'stop', as the pressure...
not a good idea imho. the result can be really worst than the 'solution'.


The same issue applies if they let it all deplete! Massive changes in pressure now being applied to the surrounding earth would then be gone! Thus, what has until now been held in place by the pressure of the oil acting against it, could forseeably shift when that pressure is removed.

maybe the problem is not to stop it.
i mean, if you stop it, in one second, you will have some major issues with the pressure...
its a massive oil area. the flow will not 'stop', as the pressure...
not a good idea imho. the result can be really worst than the 'solution'.


The same issue applies if they let it all deplete! Massive changes in pressure now being applied to the surrounding earth would then be gone! Thus, what has until now been held in place by the pressure of the oil acting against it, could forseeably shift when that pressure is removed.


so the only secure way is to find a solution to be able to pump this oil, not to stop it.
junk stuff or nuke 'solutions' are just a joke.

6.44pm:

How do you get the shot in when stuff is coming out of the hole?question



BP

It is separated into 10 different segements. Then BP will turn the valves and shoot it in. They'll be able to make repeated shots.

BP will use "whatever pressure it takes to pump into the well". But it will take a lot of pressure, Wells says.






sounds like BP is going to open failing valves to do this!!!


sounds like a very bad idea to me

What are the going to shoot their garbage ball into the valve with? A sling shot? Garbage ball howitzer? Seems like they need to get that thing moving pretty fast to have a chance of not being knocked away by the flow. Just another idea that does not add up.

Clueless, maybe BP could openly call for extraterrestrial intervention for help.

Hey man, this sounds more realistic than ANY of their proposed solutions thus far.

Whatever happened to the head of Madusa? Perhaps we could throw all of the oil executives and banksters into the hole, shoot the head in, then watch them all turn to stone and plug the hole.

Greetings,

When water rises and you know there is not one thing you can do about it, the only answer to mitigate damage is to steer the water.

They can't stop it, but it is hard to believe they can't steer it.
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What are the going to shoot their garbage ball into the valve with? A sling shot? Garbage ball howitzer? Seems like they need to get that thing moving pretty fast to have a chance of not being knocked away by the flow. Just another idea that does not add up.



It's going to blow apart. In addition to oil and methane, there will be tons of garbage floating in the Gulf.




Heaven help us.




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Ice, I hear ya! I am thinking some kind of vacuum or suction to try to collect it after it spews rather than plug the hole.

The things they are doing now are just not going to work at all. Too much pressure.

Otherwise, it's going to be wait until the supply depletes and that's a totally unknown quantity.

Clueless, maybe BP could openly call for extraterrestrial intervention for help.

Hey man, this sounds more realistic than ANY of their proposed solutions thus far.

Whatever happened to the head of Madusa? Perhaps we could throw all of the oil executives and banksters into the hole, shoot the head in, then watch them all turn to stone and plug the hole.


Calling all ET USO's - we need you now. - Please report to the Gulf of Mexico Immediately.