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BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL

 
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This a stupid thread.
If it was flowing that much it would be by far the most humongous gusher in the history oil production.

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Yes... and you're making the assumption that it isn't? Please lead me to the basis of your conclusion on that.
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Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL
This particular well has been spoken of several times even in major media sources as between 4-6 BILLION barrels of oil. Gigantic. Largest oil bubble ever drilled.


That's the Tiber oil field, which the rig drilled in 2009. This is a different one. It's only been in the news for three weeks.

No.
This is the Mississippi Canyon, is it not?
In this gov report from 2005, it says that it holds
3.5 Billion barrels.

[link to www.gomr.mms.gov]

News reports put it at 4-6 billion.
 Quoting: Baffled King


I wish if you were going to disagree with me, that you first read my posts properly.

I covered that report already.

Did you read the PDF?

2,854 million barrels over 30 proved and 10 unproved fields = 71.35 million barrels per field average.
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"News reports put it at 4-6 billion." is which news source?

I still think you have the Tiber oilfield in mind.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
The Tiber oilfield is a deepwater offshore oilfield in the Gulf of Mexico, discovered by BP in September 2009. Described as a "giant" find,[2]18 it is estimated to contain 4 to 6 billion barrels (640×10^6 to 950×10^6 m3) of oil in place
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I'm sorry.

This seems wrong to me.

Think about the size of the pipe for one moment. Think about the diameter!! Even if the pipe were as big around as a car...

Niagara Falls flows at ~37 million gallons a MINUTE.

Your talking ALOT of oil coming from a very small pipe.

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+37,000,000,000 hf
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There is one thing we all agree on, that there is to much oil flowing into the sea,now has anyone got any new updates on how much oil there is,photos footage of everything they are doing,what the hell is going on over there,is there not anyone with a cam and make some home made video come on.
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No.

National Security blackout.

Thats what I heard anyway.
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Here you go. These are the estimatefrom the Minerals Management Service from 2005 re: the size of the reserve.

Page 8, Mississippi Canyon

3,528 million barrels of oil (at 60 degrees F)
8,956 billion cubic feet of gas (at 60 derees F and 15.025 psia)

Page 16: [link to www.gomr.mms.gov]

From my thread: Thread: 8,956 BILLION CUIC FEET OF GAS etimated to be in Mississippi Canyon Block 252!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: ~fish out of water~ 966030


Learn to read a table!

Learn to read posted replies!

2,203 million barrels proved oil reserves remaining at Dec 31st, 2005.
651 unproved
2,854 total over 30 proved fields and 10 unproved fields
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thats over 1mil barrels a day! never has a well produced so much - BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I don't know where I fall on the math of this, I mean the math is sound, I just don't believe the variables to be accurate. With that being said:

A controlled pressure flow oil rig does not produce an outflow level of oil like that of an uncontrolled release as we are seeing on the seabed. So to say that a controlled platform is supposed to produce the same amount of oil as a wildly raging puncture vent is a ridiculuous statement. An oil rig could not keep up with that level of production, which is why they control the output pressures to a safe level, thereby reducing the outflow per day (by barrel.)

Go back to school, or, better yet, start using the logical side of yer brain more often, because it's seriously lacking.
 Quoting: Werd 873894

NO you go back to school!
When the mesure oil production, they measure it at the posible flow rate with the pressure recorded, then they chock off the supply to limit it!
Better yet do you have a brain, do you know anything about oil production.
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Damn Crap- I'll call you Shit. Damn "Shit" is there no extreme you won't go to for a pin? Every thread you post is either an outright lie or complete sensationalized shit "SHIT." Guess you always get rewarded with lots of responses Shit- I mean Mr. SHIT.
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I don't think I asked for a pin once in this entire thread.

I really don't care pinned or not, and now you can unpin me if you register.

And besides, calling my threads shit is one thing but you are insulting the integrity of the mods here when you question why they are pinned.

I just tell it how it is.
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op, i think it's a zillion bagillion gallon per second.
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for real i swam down there and verified this myself.
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This a stupid thread.
If it was flowing that much it would be by far the most humongous gusher in the history oil production.



Yes... and you're making the assumption that it isn't? Please lead me to the basis of your conclusion on that.
 Quoting: MountainTux


I didn't see where they took into account the viscosity of the oil which would be considerable.

And the wellhead is probably still intact, in the early days of the incidence anyway.
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Are these flow rate calculation results taking the pressure of 5000 feet of water on top of the leak into consideration?

That doesn't really matter. If ambient pressure from the water at the top is 2000 psi and the gusher pressure is 40,000 psi, the difference is 38,000psi, not significantly different from 40,000.
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Does material density play a role?

I think 2000psi is significant enough.
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Didn't read all 6 pages - just the first and last.

Thank you OP for doing the leg work.

Maybe the numbers are off - what do I know.
I know I HOPE they're off!!!!

I wonder how they're hiding this...?
If there's already over 200 million gallons of oil in the water - and there probably has been. How can you not have all this shit washing up on the shore by now?
I wonder how the military is handling this.

Ugh - I crave the information to know what's really going on.
Don't we kind of have a right to know?
I guess we don't deserve rights anymore.
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interesting until you realize the total reserve here is 2 billion barrels which means that the by now the reserve would be empty
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No they say its 3.5Billion barrels in the reserve....

480million gallons =Answer: 480000000 gal(US Liq) = 11,428,571.428 bbl(US Oil) 11,428,000 barrles a day.

3,500,000,000 /11,428,000 = 306 DAYS until empty......


BUT THESE FIGURES CANNOT BE RIGHT CAN THEY??? SOMEBODY FOR FUCK SAKE FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON... HOW ON EARTH CAN IT BE 480,000,000 GALLONS A DAY.


ixtoc1 = 3,518,000 barrels only a fraction of the OPs estimated barrels PER DAY!.


Sorry OP but your estimation is retardedly high.
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Well, if this is indeed true and being covered up, it is without a doubt a human ELE. I don't believe it yet, because I wouldn't want to accept the implications.
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4 X the size of IXTOC1 on the first day..
Riiiiiiiiight......

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I skipped a few posts but if true over 10 billion gallons have been spilled so far? That's a lot of oil, it would be the most spilled in world history already.. This oil well might be spilling more than 210,000 gallons per day but half a billion gallons per day? No way.
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interesting until you realize the total reserve here is 2 billion barrels which means that the by now the reserve would be empty

No they say its 3.5Billion barrels in the reserve....

480million gallons =Answer: 480000000 gal(US Liq) = 11,428,571.428 bbl(US Oil) 11,428,000 barrles a day.

3,500,000,000 /11,428,000 = 306 DAYS until empty......


BUT THESE FIGURES CANNOT BE RIGHT CAN THEY??? SOMEBODY FOR FUCK SAKE FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON... HOW ON EARTH CAN IT BE 480,000,000 GALLONS A DAY.


ixtoc1 = 3,518,000 barrels only a fraction of the OPs estimated barrels PER DAY!.


Sorry OP but your estimation is retardedly high.
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Even if it's only 2x what we being told, then this is twice the disaster we thought it was!!
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This a stupid thread.
If it was flowing that much it would be by far the most humongous gusher in the history oil production.



Yes... and you're making the assumption that it isn't? Please lead me to the basis of your conclusion on that.


I didn't see where they took into account the viscosity of the oil which would be considerable.

And the wellhead is probably still intact, in the early days of the incidence anyway.
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I believe energy loss to viscosity (friction) would be taken into account as pressure drop in the pipe, maybe that was P1 - P2 in the terminology here.
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I'm sorry.

This seems wrong to me.

Think about the size of the pipe for one moment. Think about the diameter!! Even if the pipe were as big around as a car...

Niagara Falls flows at ~37 million gallons a MINUTE.

Your talking ALOT of oil coming from a very small pipe.



+37,000,000,000 hf
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It isn't that Crapis non intelligent. Rather HE is a sensationalist doom propagating fear monger. He loves that attention and following that come from the extremities of his post(especially the coveted "pin"). If he were of lesser intellect he wouldn't get by with appearing as though he knows what he's talking about.
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It all depends on the final pressures in the oil reserve. BP said they are anywhere from 15,000 psi to 70,000 psi.



That is a very wide gap in the potential pressure. Doesnt BP know how much pressure theyre dealing with? Wouldnt that have been measured before the mishap?


Either way, thats on the order of maximum instantaneous pressure inside a firearm chamber during firing, just to give some perspective. The low end would be around that of a 45 acp and the high end would be that of the highest pressure rifle cartridges. UNREAL! Thats why a weak metal box just aint gonna cut the mustard unless its made of enormous strength.

fascinating analogies there...
so if this gusher were on land it would be shooting several miles into the air ??
 Quoting: doomster


No, not several miles.


answers to that are here:
Thread: maximum instantaneous pressure inside a firearm chamber during firing
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on a rig at the moment and we have been reading this
we all think this is absolutely impossible
sorry OP but we think you are wrong
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I thought we hit peak oil, guess not. Now they have to figure out how to filter it out of the ocean before the methane explodes and sets the Gulf on fire.
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Based on this list, at this point the Deep Water Horizon Oil Spill ranks 20th based on amount of oil spilled (14,000-68,000 tonnes)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

to beat the 1991 Gulf War Oil spill (780,000-1,500,000 tonnes) it has to reach to more than 10 times the current amount..
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are you sure there is even a wellhead left to calculate from and not a 50 foot hole in the ocean floor spewing out oil?
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are you sure there is even a wellhead left to calculate from and not a 50 foot hole in the ocean floor spewing out oil?
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Are these flow rate calculation results taking the pressure of 5000 feet of water on top of the leak into consideration?

That doesn't really matter. If ambient pressure from the water at the top is 2000 psi and the gusher pressure is 40,000 psi, the difference is 38,000psi, not significantly different from 40,000.


Does material density play a role?

I think 2000psi is significant enough.
 Quoting: KLB- 928489

Material density alters the psi. Psi is as simple as that, you don't need material density. Different materials have different psi when equal amount of energy is applied.

All it really does is subtract from the pushing PSI. 10 psi pushing into 3 psi means the power behind the material is 7 psi.
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I'm sorry.

This seems wrong to me.

Think about the size of the pipe for one moment. Think about the diameter!! Even if the pipe were as big around as a car...

Niagara Falls flows at ~37 million gallons a MINUTE.

Your talking ALOT of oil coming from a very small pipe.



+37,000,000,000 hf
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more than possible at the density that we are speaking of. Niagra falls takes place at 1 ATM the pressure at the origin of the wellhead is 149 ATM. Big Difference, and yes, it is more than possible. The world of physics can seem to defy common sense at times, that's why we need to be good at math.
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on a rig at the moment and we have been reading this
we all think this is absolutely impossible
sorry OP but we think you are wrong
 Quoting: narz 967093

Again, the calculator would need to be wrong but others did the same variables on different calcs with similar results.

I and others also had long since reviewed the variables in play. So far no errors to speak of.

Everything seems legit. In that case, I am very confident of the results.

We are talking about oil under 15,000 psi (pounds per square inch). Think about that, 15,000 lbs in a little old square inch. That is a high pressure to be putting oil under. Also shall I mention the max psi is estimated to be as high as 70,000 psi.

But the depths of Earth 4+ miles deep with the entire Gulf of Mexicos weight on it, it starts to make sense.

But all judgement aside, I trust the results.

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