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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 901059 United States 05/11/2010 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL It all depends on the final pressures in the oil reserve. BP said they are anywhere from 15,000 psi to 70,000 psi. Quoting: Ratla 961537That is a very wide gap in the potential pressure. Doesnt BP know how much pressure theyre dealing with? Wouldnt that have been measured before the mishap? Either way, thats on the order of maximum instantaneous pressure inside a firearm chamber during firing, just to give some perspective. The low end would be around that of a 45 acp and the high end would be that of the highest pressure rifle cartridges. UNREAL! Thats why a weak metal box just aint gonna cut the mustard unless its made of enormous strength. Bingo, the pressures involved are unreal. I wouldn't doubt if there were other phenominon occuring like electrons being stripped and discharging into the earth leaving the oil with a (+) charge when it hits the seawater. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 962698 Australia 05/11/2010 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL Okay, how much oil is there? Quoting: ºCRAPºThere is a post with a fact sheet from 2005. It was a professional accounting used by the oil companies to search and plan for new oil drills. Find it, I'm too busy to search it out just yet. I will find it soon though. Okay, how much oil is there? Quoting: ºCRAPºThere is a post with a fact sheet from 2005. It was a professional accounting used by the oil companies to search and plan for new oil drills. Find it, I'm too busy to search it out just yet. I will find it soon though. You mean this? Thread: 8,956 BILLION CUIC FEET OF GAS etimated to be in Mississippi Canyon Block 252!!!!!!!!!!!! Found this PDF from the Minerals Management Service from 2005 which estimates the size of the reserve into which the Deepwater Horizon was drilling: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9337933,528 million barrels of oil (at 60 degrees F) 8,956 billion cubic feet of gas (at 60 derees F and 15.025 psia) Page 16: [link to www.gomr.mms.gov] That's a *lot* of freaking gas. I sure hope the reserve is partitioned... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 203360 United States 05/11/2010 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL When I first heard about the leak rate, I suspected that it was way too low. Frankly I expected a larger rate from such a huge operation, so OP's math does not surprise me, it just means we are in deep caca now. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 967072 Germany 05/11/2010 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL This seems to apply for a gas release, which is is more influenced to pressure and temperature than a much less compressible oil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 875706Yes/No? I´d say yes. But don´t know for sure. But if there´s no variable for the mediums compressibility the calculation could be inaccurate to a factor up to 160 (taking methane hydrate decompression volume into comparison) |
442 User ID: 963038 United States 05/11/2010 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL UPDATE: Two individuals applied their own formulas to the data variables. Conclusion was the same. This is enough evidence to hold weight in court. Quoting: ºCRAPºWe are facing these figures as authentic oil flow. Skeptical? Completely understood! Do the math yourself and you will see. END UPDATES It seems crazy but I have to show you guys. I will include all data and tools used to get to this conclusion. Flow Calculator [link to www.pipeflowcalculations.com] Data L = Length of pipe from seafloor to oil = 9,754 meters D = Diameter of pipe = 914 mm to 215 mm note - standard diameters for oil drilling, lowest value is used due to depth. P1 = Pressure in oil reserve = 15,000 psi to 70,000 psi P2 = Pressure at release point = 2,000 psi P1-P2 = Pressure difference in transit = 13,000 to 68,000 psi T = Temperature of oil in reserve = 633*K note - 35,000 feet is averaged at 360*C Q = Volumetric Flow Rate G = Mass Flow Rate rho = Density of oil = 924 kg/m3 The Calculators Results 70k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 352,259 m3/hr G = 3.25487872E+008 kg/h = 325,487,872 kg/h = 116,301,122 gal/hr 15k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 64,210 m3/hr G = 5.9330372E+007 kg/h = 59,330,372 kg/h = 21,199,527 gal/hr Conclusion 21 to 116 million gallons per hour This is mathematical fact and all variables are sound and factual. Please try to debunk this! I hope I am wrong but I would like others to calculate themselves. Your temp is a mistake, also did you take friction loss into account - there is always friction losses in pipe flow - this reduces the flow rate (Q) and the nozzle pressure (the well head would be analogous to a nozzle in this case). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 901059 United States 05/11/2010 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL You mean this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 962698Thread: 8,956 BILLION CUIC FEET OF GAS etimated to be in Mississippi Canyon Block 252!!!!!!!!!!!! Found this PDF from the Minerals Management Service from 2005 which estimates the size of the reserve into which the Deepwater Horizon was drilling: 3,528 million barrels of oil (at 60 degrees F) 8,956 billion cubic feet of gas (at 60 derees F and 15.025 psia) Page 16: [link to www.gomr.mms.gov] That's a *lot* of freaking gas. I sure hope the reserve is partitioned... Yeah, thats it, thanks! 3,528,000,000 barrels of oil 148,176,000,000 gallons of oil At 480 million gallons a day, it would take 308 days to empty or equalize pressures. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 962698 Australia 05/11/2010 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL There isn't enough oil to spill at that rate. Quoting: OTOCAre you stupid or something? Well.. In a report from BP in 2009 I read "1 billion barrels of useable oil" Later in that report I read "Likely over 4 billion barrels of oil" Take the higher estimate of 4 billion barrels.. x 42 for gallons (US) 168 billion gallons of oil. Even at 480 million gal a day that would take 340+ days to empty. Although I can't realistically see it at 480 million gallons a day. 2 million gallons an hour could be more appropriate, but still doesn't sound right, so I'll settle at 5% for 24 million gallons a day but even that is over 570000 barrels a day. This is your report from "2009". 2,203 million barrels proved oil reserves remaining at Dec 31st, 2005. 651 unproved 2,854 total over 30 proved fields and 10 unproved fields [link to news.yahoo.com] BP has not said how much oil is beneath the Gulf seabed Deepwater Horizon was tapping, but a company official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the volume of reserves, confirmed reports that it was tens of millions of barrels — a frightening prospect to many. As I said, there isn't enough oil to spill at this rate. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 901059 United States 05/11/2010 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL UPDATE: Two individuals applied their own formulas to the data variables. Conclusion was the same. This is enough evidence to hold weight in court. Quoting: 442 963038We are facing these figures as authentic oil flow. Skeptical? Completely understood! Do the math yourself and you will see. END UPDATES It seems crazy but I have to show you guys. I will include all data and tools used to get to this conclusion. Flow Calculator [link to www.pipeflowcalculations.com] Data L = Length of pipe from seafloor to oil = 9,754 meters D = Diameter of pipe = 914 mm to 215 mm note - standard diameters for oil drilling, lowest value is used due to depth. P1 = Pressure in oil reserve = 15,000 psi to 70,000 psi P2 = Pressure at release point = 2,000 psi P1-P2 = Pressure difference in transit = 13,000 to 68,000 psi T = Temperature of oil in reserve = 633*K note - 35,000 feet is averaged at 360*C Q = Volumetric Flow Rate G = Mass Flow Rate rho = Density of oil = 924 kg/m3 The Calculators Results 70k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 352,259 m3/hr G = 3.25487872E+008 kg/h = 325,487,872 kg/h = 116,301,122 gal/hr 15k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 64,210 m3/hr G = 5.9330372E+007 kg/h = 59,330,372 kg/h = 21,199,527 gal/hr Conclusion 21 to 116 million gallons per hour This is mathematical fact and all variables are sound and factual. Please try to debunk this! I hope I am wrong but I would like others to calculate themselves. Your temp is a mistake, also did you take friction loss into account - there is always friction losses in pipe flow - this reduces the flow rate (Q) and the nozzle pressure (the well head would be analogous to a nozzle in this case). 360*C is a solid average for 35,000 feet below sea level. 360*C = 633*K [link to www.onlineconversion.com] Friction loss, you tell me. I used a calculator that is employed by professionals. Again everyone, provide your own calculations and details. Otherwise the results remain undebunked. |
Share The Unknown User ID: 884909 United States 05/11/2010 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL I think that they are harvesting the oil, or at least trying to. It is not going to hit she shore for a while in masses because the water is being "filtered" with chemicals to separate the oil from water. I might not be right, Im not saying Im positive about this. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 901059 United States 05/11/2010 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL As I said, there isn't enough oil to spill at this rate. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 962698As I said, these figures are not my opinion. The results are from math using known accurate variables. Again, do the math yourself and see for yourself. Otherwise it still remains undebunked, 4 pages later and it hasn't been debunked yet. I have a hard time believing it myself but the facts are facts. You have to learn to trust a known good formula/calculator with known good variables. No if, ands or buts...it is what it is! |
442 User ID: 963038 United States 05/11/2010 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL UPDATE: Two individuals applied their own formulas to the data variables. Conclusion was the same. This is enough evidence to hold weight in court. Quoting: ºCRAPºWe are facing these figures as authentic oil flow. Skeptical? Completely understood! Do the math yourself and you will see. END UPDATES It seems crazy but I have to show you guys. I will include all data and tools used to get to this conclusion. Flow Calculator [link to www.pipeflowcalculations.com] Data L = Length of pipe from seafloor to oil = 9,754 meters D = Diameter of pipe = 914 mm to 215 mm note - standard diameters for oil drilling, lowest value is used due to depth. P1 = Pressure in oil reserve = 15,000 psi to 70,000 psi P2 = Pressure at release point = 2,000 psi P1-P2 = Pressure difference in transit = 13,000 to 68,000 psi T = Temperature of oil in reserve = 633*K note - 35,000 feet is averaged at 360*C Q = Volumetric Flow Rate G = Mass Flow Rate rho = Density of oil = 924 kg/m3 The Calculators Results 70k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 352,259 m3/hr G = 3.25487872E+008 kg/h = 325,487,872 kg/h = 116,301,122 gal/hr 15k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 64,210 m3/hr G = 5.9330372E+007 kg/h = 59,330,372 kg/h = 21,199,527 gal/hr Conclusion 21 to 116 million gallons per hour This is mathematical fact and all variables are sound and factual. Please try to debunk this! I hope I am wrong but I would like others to calculate themselves. Your temp is a mistake, also did you take friction loss into account - there is always friction losses in pipe flow - this reduces the flow rate (Q) and the nozzle pressure (the well head would be analogous to a nozzle in this case). 360*C is a solid average for 35,000 feet below sea level. 360*C = 633*K [link to www.onlineconversion.com] Friction loss, you tell me. I used a calculator that is employed by professionals. Again everyone, provide your own calculations and details. Otherwise the results remain undebunked. not mocking at all- in fact I enjoyed this post.. The temperature given for the 35,000 foot depth of the deposit (?) is 360C - which is 3 times + the boiling point of water. I am not a geologist, not sure if that is an accurate assumption. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 962698 Australia 05/11/2010 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL Did you read the PDF? 2,854 million barrels over 30 proved and 10 unproved fields = 71.35 million barrels per field average. BP spokesman: "tens of millions of barrels" in reserves. You: 11.4 million barrels a day I'm at a loss. YOU show me the math. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 901059 United States 05/11/2010 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL not mocking at all- in fact I enjoyed this post.. Quoting: 442 963038The temperature given for the 35,000 foot depth of the deposit (?) is 360C - which is 3 times + the boiling point of water. I am not a geologist, not sure if that is an accurate assumption. Oh sorry, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. You understand GLP, I'm sure. I did a calculation at room temp 72*F = 295*K Flow is 5.954048E+007 kg/h 59,540,480 kg/h 21,274,601 gal/h So temp isn't an issue, it does change the results but the pressures dealt with are the main contribution to flow rates. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 901059 United States 05/11/2010 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL I still can't see a tanker truck of oil per second coming out of this thing... there's no chance any equipment down there would survive that. It would have to be a complete blow out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967250With pressures similar to peak pressures in a rifle, that is A LOT of push. Now that I think about it that way, it isn't so crazy after all. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 962698 Australia 05/11/2010 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL Did you read the PDF? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9626982,854 million barrels over 30 proved and 10 unproved fields = 71.35 million barrels per field average. BP spokesman: "tens of millions of barrels" in reserves. You: 11.4 million barrels a day I'm at a loss. YOU show me the math. YOU: 21 - 110 million gallons an hour or 11.4 - 62 million barrels a day Oil reserves: 2,854 million barrels over 30 proved and 10 unproved fields = 71.35 million barrels per field average. BP spokesman: "tens of millions of barrels" in reserves. It's been leaking for over 20 days. How do you get 200 -1240 million gallons of oil out of a "tens of millions of barrels" field? I would say you're debunked. |
BadMoonRising User ID: 727864 United Kingdom 05/11/2010 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL BP spokesman: "tens of millions of barrels" in reserves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 962698You: 11.4 million barrels a day I'm at a loss. YOU show me the math. YOU: 21 - 110 million gallons an hour or 11.4 - 62 million barrels a day Oil reserves: 2,854 million barrels over 30 proved and 10 unproved fields = 71.35 million barrels per field average. BP spokesman: "tens of millions of barrels" in reserves. It's been leaking for over 20 days. How do you get 200 -1240 million gallons of oil out of a "tens of millions of barrels" field? I would say you're debunked. BP have no clue how big this oil field really is. "tens of millions" is pretty ambigious. Last Edited by BadMoonRising on 05/11/2010 02:35 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 960188 United States 05/11/2010 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL I still can't see a tanker truck of oil per second coming out of this thing... there's no chance any equipment down there would survive that. It would have to be a complete blow out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967250 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 566027 Netherlands 05/11/2010 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL You mean this? Quoting: ºCRAPºThread: 8,956 BILLION CUIC FEET OF GAS etimated to be in Mississippi Canyon Block 252!!!!!!!!!!!! Found this PDF from the Minerals Management Service from 2005 which estimates the size of the reserve into which the Deepwater Horizon was drilling: 3,528 million barrels of oil (at 60 degrees F) 8,956 billion cubic feet of gas (at 60 derees F and 15.025 psia) Page 16: [link to www.gomr.mms.gov] That's a *lot* of freaking gas. I sure hope the reserve is partitioned... Yeah, thats it, thanks! 3,528,000,000 barrels of oil 148,176,000,000 gallons of oil At 480 million gallons a day, it would take 308 days to empty or equalize pressures. ºCRAPº - I always knew you were a smart cookie, but this is fantastic work! Great job. This should be submitted to some MSM outlets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 960188 United States 05/11/2010 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL I thought it was leaking from the seabed itself. How do you calculate that if its leaking from the sea floor? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 776788 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 966536 United States 05/11/2010 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL UPDATE: Two individuals applied their own formulas to the data variables. Conclusion was the same. This is enough evidence to hold weight in court. Quoting: ºCRAPºWe are facing these figures as authentic oil flow. Skeptical? Completely understood! Do the math yourself and you will see. END UPDATES It seems crazy but I have to show you guys. I will include all data and tools used to get to this conclusion. Flow Calculator [link to www.pipeflowcalculations.com] Data L = Length of pipe from seafloor to oil = 9,754 meters D = Diameter of pipe = 914 mm to 215 mm note - standard diameters for oil drilling, lowest value is used due to depth. P1 = Pressure in oil reserve = 15,000 psi to 70,000 psi P2 = Pressure at release point = 2,000 psi P1-P2 = Pressure difference in transit = 13,000 to 68,000 psi T = Temperature of oil in reserve = 633*K note - 35,000 feet is averaged at 360*C Q = Volumetric Flow Rate G = Mass Flow Rate rho = Density of oil = 924 kg/m3 The Calculators Results 70k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 352,259 m3/hr G = 3.25487872E+008 kg/h = 325,487,872 kg/h = 116,301,122 gal/hr 15k PSI in Oil Reserve Q = 64,210 m3/hr G = 5.9330372E+007 kg/h = 59,330,372 kg/h = 21,199,527 gal/hr Conclusion 21 to 116 million gallons per hour This is mathematical fact and all variables are sound and factual. Please try to debunk this! I hope I am wrong but I would like others to calculate themselves. Damn Crap- I'll call you Shit. Damn "Shit" is there no extreme you won't go to for a pin? Every thread you post is either an outright lie or complete sensationalized shit "SHIT." Guess you always get rewarded with lots of responses Shit- I mean Mr. SHIT. |
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Riker User ID: 684208 United States 05/11/2010 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING - Oil Flow is 6.8-38.1 million gal/day - MSM NOW REPORTS FIGURES CLOSER TO THIS AS WELL Hey OP, check this out... I posted a thread with articles I've found regarding the possible outcomes of the leaking methane... it's pretty insane. Thread: ***UPDATE*** OIL SPILL IS EQUAL PARTS METHANE AND OIL *** OIL SPILL METHANE WILL TURN THE OCEANS TO ACID and could make the ATMOSPHERE IGNITE???? DOO You shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall set you free. ********************************* rikerglp (at) gmail.com ********************************* |