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For your reading pleasure...I present...



Nature vs. Nature or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Gun


The 2nd Amendment is an acknowledgment and declaration of mans unalterable right to defend himself. It is of the utmost importance for all families to keep the tools to protect and defend themselves from the predators among us. Firearms are the most efficient modern device for this task; Physical advantages are not necessary to prevent or fend off a violent attack.

Few will argue that Man is not a predator by his very nature. Being proficient with firearms and other means of defense against this planets apex predator is logical. We can all agree, harm to our families and selves is generally something that should be prevented. The means to self defense is immutable. You would not request, much less expect, the leopard to surrender her claws, nor the rhinoceros his horn. Why then would you attempt to deny man his natural defense, tool building.

Homo Sapiens are tool makers. Our natural defense is to manipulate our environment to create advantage's where we have none. As a species, we have the same duty to protect ourselves as a bear does to protect her cubs. Humans, unlike the bear, are physically frail. Our intellect and ingenuity are our primary advantages.

To revoke a persons right to defense is to shackling them in the heavy irons of slavery. It is the same as taking a hacksaw to an elephants tusks or pliers to a dog's teeth. All creatures will resist, with every fiber of their being, the attempt to disarm them. So to ,will man, with all of the aggression and tenacity he can summon.

Man's predisposition towards violence is ingrained. The evidence of this is omnipresent in our society. One look through a paper or 30 minutes watching the news verifies mans unpredictable nature. Until the time that Homo Sapiens change ,fundamentally ,in nature, the implements of defense must forever be at our immediate disposal.

Many will attempt to argue the basic premise of natural order and selection. They will state man is 'more' than an animal. That he is basically 'Good' and his nature docile and altruistic. This denies the atavism that is present in all of humanity. Much to the contrary it has been shown, throughout history, that Man is never to be underestimated when threatened or provoked.

Nor can the argument be made that the 'cost' of his defense is too great to allow him to defend himself. That the price of the potential misuse of its power is to great to justify the possession of. 'Cost' and 'price' are subjective, only valid to the one's who are involved. People who have the capacity to defend themselves usually possess the capacity to weigh the possible outcomes of resistance, or supplication, to an aggressor. Given a choice they will, almost unanimously, chose the one which gives them the highest probability of survival, both in the immediate and foreseeable future.

The 2nd Amendment was acknowledgment of the basic and inalienable right to freedom of choice and responsibility in matters pertaining to an individuals personal security, and the unrestricted means to achieve his decision. The Founder's understood human nature and the consequences of abdicating self-determination to a governing body. The belief that your own life is sacred and worth protecting is fundamentally human. To penalize, regulate, or oppress the individual's choice in personal defense is unconscionable at best, and open aggression, at worst.



Now comes the fun part, rational discourse on the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment.

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crap...paragraphs didn't take..my bad
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crap...paragraphs didn't take..my bad
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For your reading pleasure...I present...



Nature vs. Nature or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Gun


The 2nd Amendment is an acknowledgment and declaration of mans unalterable right to defend himself. It is of the utmost importance for all families to keep the tools to protect and defend themselves from the predators among us. Firearms are the most efficient modern device for this task; Physical advantages are not necessary to prevent or fend off a violent attack.


Few will argue that Man is not a predator by his very nature. Being proficient with firearms and other means of defense against this planets apex predator is logical. We can all agree, harm to our families and selves is generally something that should be prevented. The means to self defense is immutable. You would not request, much less expect, the leopard to surrender her claws, nor the rhinoceros his horn. Why then would you attempt to deny man his natural defense, tool building.


Homo Sapiens are tool makers. Our natural defense is to manipulate our environment to create advantage's where we have none. As a species, we have the same duty to protect ourselves as a bear does to protect her cubs. Humans, unlike the bear, are physically frail. Our intellect and ingenuity are our primary advantages.


To revoke a persons right to defense is to shackling them in the heavy irons of slavery. It is the same as taking a hacksaw to an elephants tusks or pliers to a dog's teeth. All creatures will resist, with every fiber of their being, the attempt to disarm them. So to ,will man, with all of the aggression and tenacity he can summon.


Man's predisposition towards violence is ingrained. The evidence of this is omnipresent in our society. One look through a paper or 30 minutes watching the news verifies mans unpredictable nature. Until the time that Homo Sapiens change ,fundamentally ,in nature, the implements of defense must forever be at our immediate disposal.


Many will attempt to argue the basic premise of natural order and selection. They will state man is 'more' than an animal. That he is basically 'Good' and his nature docile and altruistic. This denies the atavism that is present in all of humanity. Much to the contrary it has been shown, throughout history, that Man is never to be underestimated when threatened or provoked.


Nor can the argument be made that the 'cost' of his defense is too great to allow him to defend himself. That the price of the potential misuse of its power is to great to justify the possession of. 'Cost' and 'price' are subjective, only valid to the one's who are involved. People who have the capacity to defend themselves usually possess the capacity to weigh the possible outcomes of resistance, or supplication, to an aggressor. Given a choice they will, almost unanimously, chose the one which gives them the highest probability of survival, both in the immediate and foreseeable future.


The 2nd Amendment was acknowledgment of the basic and inalienable right to freedom of choice and responsibility in matters pertaining to an individuals personal security, and the unrestricted means to achieve his decision. The Founder's understood human nature and the consequences of abdicating self-determination to a governing body. The belief that your own life is sacred and worth protecting is fundamentally human. To penalize, regulate, or oppress the individual's choice in personal defense is unconscionable at best, and open aggression, at worst.



Now comes the fun part, rational discourse on the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment.
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thanks ^_^
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Oh, and...

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Great rationalization.
No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are.
Perceived circles or lines are not exactly circular or straight, and true circles and lines could never be detected since by definition they are sets of infinitely small points.
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Great post OP!
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with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
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keep dreaming pal smile_kiss
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agreed
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I consider that a good summation.
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[link to youtube.com]

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Ok you, love guns, i got it.

I dont see any mention about all those influences making us "human" ?

hf

we live in a carefully controlled societes
minds are being guided right to the expected outcome

you will never address all triggers steering your thinking vectors

but you can imagine control over control in different scales
over you, over us, over your state, over continets and even over our whole planet

there is definitelly an agenda
terestial or extra
ancient or future


when living so long in the aquarium
someone should change the water now
the fish are being dirty over time!


we will meet in full

abduct
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+.45
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Good post and so true.

And putting your faith in some agency like law enforcement or military to protect you is just foolhardy.
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Ok you, love guns, i got it.

I dont see any mention about all those influences making us "human" ?

hf

we live in a carefully controlled societes
minds are being guided right to the expected outcome

you will never address all triggers steering your thinking vectors

but you can imagine control over control in different scales
over you, over us, over your state, over continets and even over our whole planet

there is definitelly an agenda
terestial or extra
ancient or future


when living so long in the aquarium
someone should change the water now
the fish are being dirty over time!


we will meet in full

abduct

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If you believe that infuence makes you Human... then you're an asshole
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I nominate you for best response post of the year.

LMAO...ya just gotta love it


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As well as a shout out to the OP: spot on message.

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If you believe that infuence makes you Human... then you're an asshole
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yup hf

another if_then psycho ?
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I adore this video. Lost my favorite of it. Thank you Much!
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For your reading pleasure...I present...



Nature vs. Nature or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Gun


The 2nd Amendment is an acknowledgment and declaration of mans unalterable right to defend himself. It is of the utmost importance for all families to keep the tools to protect and defend themselves from the predators among us. Firearms are the most efficient modern device for this task; Physical advantages are not necessary to prevent or fend off a violent attack.

Few will argue that Man is not a predator by his very nature. Being proficient with firearms and other means of defense against this planets apex predator is logical. We can all agree, harm to our families and selves is generally something that should be prevented. The means to self defense is immutable. You would not request, much less expect, the leopard to surrender her claws, nor the rhinoceros his horn. Why then would you attempt to deny man his natural defense, tool building.

Homo Sapiens are tool makers. Our natural defense is to manipulate our environment to create advantage's where we have none. As a species, we have the same duty to protect ourselves as a bear does to protect her cubs. Humans, unlike the bear, are physically frail. Our intellect and ingenuity are our primary advantages.

To revoke a persons right to defense is to shackling them in the heavy irons of slavery. It is the same as taking a hacksaw to an elephants tusks or pliers to a dog's teeth. All creatures will resist, with every fiber of their being, the attempt to disarm them. So to ,will man, with all of the aggression and tenacity he can summon.

Man's predisposition towards violence is ingrained. The evidence of this is omnipresent in our society. One look through a paper or 30 minutes watching the news verifies mans unpredictable nature. Until the time that Homo Sapiens change ,fundamentally ,in nature, the implements of defense must forever be at our immediate disposal.

Many will attempt to argue the basic premise of natural order and selection. They will state man is 'more' than an animal. That he is basically 'Good' and his nature docile and altruistic. This denies the atavism that is present in all of humanity. Much to the contrary it has been shown, throughout history, that Man is never to be underestimated when threatened or provoked.

Nor can the argument be made that the 'cost' of his defense is too great to allow him to defend himself. That the price of the potential misuse of its power is to great to justify the possession of. 'Cost' and 'price' are subjective, only valid to the one's who are involved. People who have the capacity to defend themselves usually possess the capacity to weigh the possible outcomes of resistance, or supplication, to an aggressor. Given a choice they will, almost unanimously, chose the one which gives them the highest probability of survival, both in the immediate and foreseeable future.

The 2nd Amendment was acknowledgment of the basic and inalienable right to freedom of choice and responsibility in matters pertaining to an individuals personal security, and the unrestricted means to achieve his decision. The Founder's understood human nature and the consequences of abdicating self-determination to a governing body. The belief that your own life is sacred and worth protecting is fundamentally human. To penalize, regulate, or oppress the individual's choice in personal defense is unconscionable at best, and open aggression, at worst.



Now comes the fun part, rational discourse on the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment.

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For your reading pleasure...I present...



Nature vs. Nature or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Gun


The 2nd Amendment is an acknowledgment and declaration of mans unalterable right to defend himself. It is of the utmost importance for all families to keep the tools to protect and defend themselves from the predators among us. Firearms are the most efficient modern device for this task; Physical advantages are not necessary to prevent or fend off a violent attack.

Few will argue that Man is not a predator by his very nature. Being proficient with firearms and other means of defense against this planets apex predator is logical. We can all agree, harm to our families and selves is generally something that should be prevented. The means to self defense is immutable. You would not request, much less expect, the leopard to surrender her claws, nor the rhinoceros his horn. Why then would you attempt to deny man his natural defense, tool building.

Homo Sapiens are tool makers. Our natural defense is to manipulate our environment to create advantage's where we have none. As a species, we have the same duty to protect ourselves as a bear does to protect her cubs. Humans, unlike the bear, are physically frail. Our intellect and ingenuity are our primary advantages.

To revoke a persons right to defense is to shackling them in the heavy irons of slavery. It is the same as taking a hacksaw to an elephants tusks or pliers to a dog's teeth. All creatures will resist, with every fiber of their being, the attempt to disarm them. So to ,will man, with all of the aggression and tenacity he can summon.

Man's predisposition towards violence is ingrained. The evidence of this is omnipresent in our society. One look through a paper or 30 minutes watching the news verifies mans unpredictable nature. Until the time that Homo Sapiens change ,fundamentally ,in nature, the implements of defense must forever be at our immediate disposal.

Many will attempt to argue the basic premise of natural order and selection. They will state man is 'more' than an animal. That he is basically 'Good' and his nature docile and altruistic. This denies the atavism that is present in all of humanity. Much to the contrary it has been shown, throughout history, that Man is never to be underestimated when threatened or provoked.

Nor can the argument be made that the 'cost' of his defense is too great to allow him to defend himself. That the price of the potential misuse of its power is to great to justify the possession of. 'Cost' and 'price' are subjective, only valid to the one's who are involved. People who have the capacity to defend themselves usually possess the capacity to weigh the possible outcomes of resistance, or supplication, to an aggressor. Given a choice they will, almost unanimously, chose the one which gives them the highest probability of survival, both in the immediate and foreseeable future.

The 2nd Amendment was acknowledgment of the basic and inalienable right to freedom of choice and responsibility in matters pertaining to an individuals personal security, and the unrestricted means to achieve his decision. The Founder's understood human nature and the consequences of abdicating self-determination to a governing body. The belief that your own life is sacred and worth protecting is fundamentally human. To penalize, regulate, or oppress the individual's choice in personal defense is unconscionable at best, and open aggression, at worst.



Now comes the fun part, rational discourse on the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment.

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Good post and so true.

And putting your faith in some agency like law enforcement or military to protect you is just foolhardy.
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Interesting thought. However,.....


Police and military usually get a bad rap here, but the fact remains that many of the folks who do these jobs are TRAINED to do them.

They spent hours and hours using weapons, analysing situations, practicing risk assessment, and running towards danger when everyone else is running from it.

Average joe citizen is not likely to confront danger, or peril (yes, there are exceptions) and often they avoid confrontation like the plague. Every man and woman should prepare in the same way, and be ready to face a threat should the need arise. It takes some time for help to come, but when it does, you will be damn glad to see it.

But yes...prepare, train, and plan in the event that nobody cares anymore.
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Water always wins. :sun:
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Water always wins. :sun:
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Good post and so true.

And putting your faith in some agency like law enforcement or military to protect you is just foolhardy.



Interesting thought. However,.....


Police and military usually get a bad rap here, but the fact remains that many of the folks who do these jobs are TRAINED to do them.

They spent hours and hours using weapons, analysing situations, practicing risk assessment, and running towards danger when everyone else is running from it.

Average joe citizen is not likely to confront danger, or peril (yes, there are exceptions) and often they avoid confrontation like the plague. Every man and woman should prepare in the same way, and be ready to face a threat should the need arise. It takes some time for help to come, but when it does, you will be damn glad to see it.

But yes...prepare, train, and plan in the event that nobody cares anymore.
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Another good point made. The 'Average Joe' generally does not have the time or money to train as the Military and Police do.
Most people will train up to the level of proficiency they believe they will need. Whether that is a high level of skill or merely passable is up to the individual. So long as responsibility and prudence in the application of the force you are wielding is respected, the society as a whole stands to benefit from the foresight of individuals.


Thanks for the responses ^_^ Glad to be a part of the World's early warning system. xmit
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A great explanation OP, I've never heard it expressed so clearly :)

I'm not so blind that I can't see I am protected, not by the lack of guns, but by a civilized community, with police..
if that lucky situation changed, and I no longer had the state's protection, I would certainly want to own a gun.
For now, I use whatever weapon happens to be nearby.
Say, a big stick or my voice.
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I'm not so blind that I can't see I am protected, not by the lack of guns, but by a civilized community, with police..
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how do you protect yourself from bad people?

You should try carrying a police officer in your pocket. It's a little more effective than pepper spray, and quicker than using your cell phone to call for an ambulance.
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I'm not so blind that I can't see I am protected, not by the lack of guns, but by a civilized community, with police..


how do you protect yourself from bad people?

You should try carrying a police officer in your pocket. It's a little more effective than pepper spray, and quicker than using your cell phone to call for an ambulance.
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I didn't say I expect them to always be around.
I'm LUCKY they are, for now.
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Good Stuff OP, 5 stars.
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