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If you create your own reality, why does everyone have basically the same one???

 
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Anyway to answer the OP question, you fail your premise, you do not create YOUR own reality everyone has the same reality even tough it can be seen in different nuances it is the same because YOU DO NOT sinigulairly change it, only as a collective mind you can do this. To change and to make reality you need numbers, a single man can do something but it will never change the reality in is totality at the best it can sabotage some part of it.

That is the whole reason for the massive meddling on peoples toughts by use of disinformation and technology, they know the peoples can if enough awake to certain truths attain a level when they will change the base of the matrix structure (society). As our friend cited the game. You change the game but you will just build the next one.

Is there a way to exist outside the game totally and to stop perpatrating it, maybe one day we will know.
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omg what an insane question!

What the hell made you conclude that everyone experiences the same reality?
First of all... one of the greatest conundrums in the history of philosophy has been the point that you can never prove that any two people experience reality the same way.

Who is the master that makes the grass green?

Is the grass green?
What is green?
Is the color you perceive and label as "green2 the same color that I see?

Yes?
PROVE IT.

I'm surprised that asking such questions didn't lead you instantly into this area of research... it's very basic philosophy.

That's just talking about colors, lemme tell ya... some peoples realities are horrible, the world, the entire planet is controlled by shapeshifting alien lizards... some people literally battle genuine 100% real demons every day.

Some people are harassed, abducted and experimented on by alien races from beyond our star system.

Luckily none of those things happen to me... because they don't 'exist' in my subjective reality.
That is small comfort to those poor people who have constructed a reality that does contain such horrors.

Do you believe in God?
Does God pervade throughout all things?
Is God ever present in every aspect of life, energy and matter, always watching over you like a benevolent father?
Sounds like a nice reality you have there... good job.

I'm a militant atheist, no God in my reality... so no hell and no damnation either I guess... lucky me eh?

Nobody has the same reality as anyone else... not even close, even without all the 'manifest what you want' bullshit, it's ridiculous to suggest that we have the same experience of the same reality.
Trust me, if that were true... there'd be a LOT less arguments.

I hope you understand... it's not about new age woo woo... it's just about perception and processing and interpretation... that last one is the killer.

Maybe there is an objective "real2 reality outside our thick little skulls, something that exists even if we're not around to observe it... a 'universal truth' that defines the nature of the universe... but y'know what/
It don't mean a goddamn thing, because nobody, not you, not me, not even some bug eye'd Yogi sitting on top of a mountain is ever going to experience it without soiling it with our own twisted little minds.

Period.
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But you are GOD...



being ultimately alone sounds depressing and boring. hiding parts of yourself from yourself is more interesting.


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yes, but only temporarily. we cannot escape from this fate... we cannot escape from becoming the god of our own universe. when you finally achieve infinite power, that is when you also realize that you are completely alone in the universe. but don't worry, this process takes an eternity.
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Odds are this entire thread is being generated by a self aware computer like in the movie "Eagle Eye".

Look it up yourself I'm probably not real anyway.
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Only those who are Christed(Lighted) can create........all others can only be content to manipulate that which is already created!
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That is a good word. Manipulate. We get something already created and have the opportunity to manipulate it or let it manipulate us.
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Anyway to answer the OP question, you fail your premise, you do not create YOUR own reality everyone has the same reality even tough it can be seen in different nuances it is the same because YOU DO NOT sinigulairly change it, only as a collective mind you can do this. To change and to make reality you need numbers, a single man can do something but it will never change the reality in is totality at the best it can sabotage some part of it.

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in other words, you don't believe in individual consciousness? in personal power? there is only the collective, the hive mind? all for the hive mind, and the hive mind for itself. the individual is just a number.

I may be wrong man, but it looks like the Matrix has you.
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I strongly disagree with your assesment of creating your reality. You can only create in yourreality. You cannot create in theirs. You nor anyone gets to choose for others what their reality may be like. Their brain, feelings and wants/needs. This is not affected by you, your feelings, wants/needs. Death, heaven, hell are individual choices you can make in your own reality, but you have absolutely no control over theirs. So, you do have power to create your reality, and if you think that God does not allow this; well, you're probably right. Just remember though, you decided to believe that and so it is part of your reality.

As for the apple/planet manifestation....well, anyone can manifest an apple, that's easy. If you are talking about making an apple appear out of thin air, I do believe this might be possible if you believed it to be. Manifestation can take many forms and for me personally it's about being certain that an event will occur to me. However it has to be something that is believable to me. Moving the planets around....not so much. I have a hard time with that because I do not have any control over the planets and if it was possible I don't think I could convince myself that it was. For me, manifesting things that I absolutely believe are possible for me is key.

All the best!
 Quoting: Evenstar 787926

Okay. If I could go get an apple out of the fridge, I could manifest one that way. Anyone can manifest things the old-fashined way. Sai Baba can supposedly manifest things out of thin air. Jesus could perform miracles. If everyone could manifest apples out of thin air, then that would put the apple growers and apple grocers out of business. Then everyone would just manifest whatever they wanted, and there would be no commerce, no economy. Everybody would be miracle workers. No point in living and learning and growing and suffering and greiving and dying and loving and procreating and building civilization. So I guess that sums it up. It's all to keep things in order.

"If looks could kill, they probably will
In games without frontiers,
War without Tears."


And not even Jesus can move planets around because they're just too big, and we're all just tiny little consciousness pukes pushing tiny amounts of nerve energy and muscles around.

I wonder how that guy's doing with stopping the oil leak with his mass meditation intention experiment.
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we all are collectively creating our own reality, thru the chain reaction of the myriad of choices that we all make every day.
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omg what an insane question!

What the hell made you conclude that everyone experiences the same reality?
First of all... one of the greatest conundrums in the history of philosophy has been the point that you can never prove that any two people experience reality the same way.

Who is the master that makes the grass green?

Is the grass green?
What is green?
Is the color you perceive and label as "green2 the same color that I see?

Yes?
PROVE IT.

I'm surprised that asking such questions didn't lead you instantly into this area of research... it's very basic philosophy.

That's just talking about colors, lemme tell ya... some peoples realities are horrible, the world, the entire planet is controlled by shapeshifting alien lizards... some people literally battle genuine 100% real demons every day.

Some people are harassed, abducted and experimented on by alien races from beyond our star system.

Luckily none of those things happen to me... because they don't 'exist' in my subjective reality.
That is small comfort to those poor people who have constructed a reality that does contain such horrors.

Do you believe in God?
Does God pervade throughout all things?
Is God ever present in every aspect of life, energy and matter, always watching over you like a benevolent father?
Sounds like a nice reality you have there... good job.

I'm a militant atheist, no God in my reality... so no hell and no damnation either I guess... lucky me eh?

Nobody has the same reality as anyone else... not even close, even without all the 'manifest what you want' bullshit, it's ridiculous to suggest that we have the same experience of the same reality.
Trust me, if that were true... there'd be a LOT less arguments.

I hope you understand... it's not about new age woo woo... it's just about perception and processing and interpretation... that last one is the killer.

Maybe there is an objective "real2 reality outside our thick little skulls, something that exists even if we're not around to observe it... a 'universal truth' that defines the nature of the universe... but y'know what/
It don't mean a goddamn thing, because nobody, not you, not me, not even some bug eye'd Yogi sitting on top of a mountain is ever going to experience it without soiling it with our own twisted little minds.

Period.
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I get what you're saying, reality is what we all agree it is, unless we don't.
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Anyway to answer the OP question, you fail your premise, you do not create YOUR own reality everyone has the same reality even tough it can be seen in different nuances it is the same because YOU DO NOT sinigulairly change it, only as a collective mind you can do this. To change and to make reality you need numbers, a single man can do something but it will never change the reality in is totality at the best it can sabotage some part of it.



in other words, you don't believe in individual consciousness? in personal power? there is only the collective, the hive mind? all for the hive mind, and the hive mind for itself. the individual is just a number.

I may be wrong man, but it looks like the Matrix has you.
 Quoting: gus 319252



Let me clarify this then, I surely believe in individual consciusness, but what you call personal power for strong it may be unless you're fully awakened godlike being (neo reference, Neo can change the matrix but even him ONLY FOR HIMSELF), cannot change a so complex structure like what we are talking here, to do such thing people need to unite on a common accepted truth and make it realize, with intent , justice , love (not sex), and a very big dedication.

The means to attain this are...... oh wait I am not gonna say this here, cannot help the enemy after all right?
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Only those who are Christed(Lighted) can create........all others can only be content to manipulate that which is already created!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

There is only one christ, by definition.

Therefore, you are full of shit. Stop spewing your shit, and pretending its true.
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THIS MIGHT ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR SOME:

[link to www.sovereignintegral.org]
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And the christ is chosen by God. The christ acts as a 5th Element (the movie); whatever this chosen human manifests happens.
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And the christ is chosen by God. The christ acts as a 5th Element (the movie); whatever this chosen human manifests happens.
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Nah, there's been LOTS of messiahs and avatars and anointed ones and all.
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I was Sai Baba in a past life as Jesus' luckless 13th disciple.

My name was never spoken in those superstitious times so I never got the credit I so richly deserved.

God is working overtime to make it up to me now so I try to be humble about it.
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I was Sai Baba in a past life as Jesus' luckless 13th disciple.

My name was never spoken in those superstitious times so I never got the credit I so richly deserved.

God is working overtime to make it up to me now so I try to be humble about it.
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ha. fantasy is fun, ain't it?
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A pin without a comment.

haha.


We create our own reality - you THINK we all basically have the same one, but what do you know without looking through someone elses eyes?

You may think you and I live life similar, but you don't know everything.
 Quoting: guy369






Any good quality LSD will "create" your OWN reality.

But IS IT really "reality"??


You may take initiative and actions to change your personal circumstances, but you cannot "create your own reality".

Reality is reality, no matter how hard you try to play, "lets pretend".
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I was Sai Baba in a past life as Jesus' luckless 13th disciple.

My name was never spoken in those superstitious times so I never got the credit I so richly deserved.

God is working overtime to make it up to me now so I try to be humble about it.


ha. fantasy is fun, ain't it?
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Hey!, you talkin' to me? Huh? ..Talkin' to ME!?

HEY!!, I'm Walkin on Water Here!!.
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Let me clarify this then, I surely believe in individual consciusness, but what you call personal power for strong it may be unless you're fully awakened godlike being (neo reference, Neo can change the matrix but even him ONLY FOR HIMSELF), cannot change a so complex structure like what we are talking here, to do such thing people need to unite on a common accepted truth and make it realize, with intent , justice , love (not sex), and a very big dedication.

The means to attain this are...... oh wait I am not gonna say this here, cannot help the enemy after all right?
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ok. what I meant is that every being is the god of their own universe. but it looks like that these gods have their own problems, such as multiple personality disorder and amnesia.

even when you are fully awakened godlike being, you can only change and create your own reality. you create your own universe. every spark from the "Creator" is a god in its own right. thus, we may picture the following: we have several beings with infinite power creating their own realities. sometimes a bunch of them decide to work together and produce an "intersection" between their realities to create a shared / collective reality:

two gods and their shared reality:

IMAGE ( [link to upload.wikimedia.org] )


this shared reality belongs to no one in particular, and so no one in particular has the right to change it completely. the beings , of course, have agreed with not spoiling "the game" and so no one will attempt to fuck with the game rules and override the entire reality by themselves, although each and every being HAS the power to do that, as we are all divine sparks, or "gods". what we can do is change whatever lies within our own circle / universe.. we can change everything contained in its perimeter MINUS the part (intersection) that we agreed to share with our brothers. once the game s over, we are back into creating our own reality in its full extension.
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Sai Baba.

Heh.
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It is quite remarkably simple, really. There is one definite reality and we all have our own perceptions of it.


We do not create our own reality, we perceive it.
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There is only one christ, by definition.
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This is incorrect!

Have you never experienced the Light within YOU?
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There is only one christ, by definition.
This is incorrect!

Have you never experienced the Light within YOU?
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Only those who are Christed.....
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Heh, Only the woowoos make up their words like they make up their reality.
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There is only one christ, by definition.
This is incorrect!

Have you never experienced the Light within YOU?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

bonghit I saw the face of the Christ in a cloud once. bonghit
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I was Sai Baba in a past life as Jesus' luckless 13th disciple.

My name was never spoken in those superstitious times so I never got the credit I so richly deserved.

God is working overtime to make it up to me now so I try to be humble about it.
 Quoting: The Bucolic Bacchanalian 418932

Are you aware that Sai Baba still walks the earth today?

And I notice that your flag is in the USA......If you are Sai Baba, shouldn't it be from India?
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Let me clarify this then, I surely believe in individual consciusness, but what you call personal power for strong it may be unless you're fully awakened godlike being (neo reference, Neo can change the matrix but even him ONLY FOR HIMSELF), cannot change a so complex structure like what we are talking here, to do such thing people need to unite on a common accepted truth and make it realize, with intent , justice , love (not sex), and a very big dedication.

The means to attain this are...... oh wait I am not gonna say this here, cannot help the enemy after all right?


ok. what I meant is that every being is the god of their own universe. but it looks like that these gods have their own problems, such as multiple personality disorder and amnesia.

even when you are fully awakened godlike being, you can only change and create your own reality. you create your own universe. every spark from the "Creator" is a god in its own right. thus, we may picture the following: we have several beings with infinite power creating their own realities. sometimes a bunch of them decide to work together and produce an "intersection" between their realities to create a shared / collective reality:

two gods and their shared reality:

IMAGE ( [link to upload.wikimedia.org] )


this shared reality belongs to no one in particular, and so no one in particular has the right to change it completely. the beings , of course, have agreed with not spoiling "the game" and so no one will attempt to fuck with the game rules and override the entire reality by themselves, although each and every being HAS the power to do that, as we are all divine sparks, or "gods". what we can do is change whatever lies within our own circle / universe.. we can change everything contained in its perimeter MINUS the part (intersection) that we agreed to share with our brothers. once the game s over, we are back into creating our own reality in its full extension.
 Quoting: gus 319252


It has started with a small group (a saving remnant)!
Revelations if you will, but not the kind that we have been taught. Revelations as in revealing truths and higher knowledge. Not previously known or realized. Fiat Lux

Grace
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this is a programmed reality.

its meant to be broken and corrupted.

the only way you get through it is by not becoming part of it, which means being a social reject.
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There is only one christ, by definition.
This is incorrect!

Have you never experienced the Light within YOU?


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Let me clarify this then, I surely believe in individual consciusness, but what you call personal power for strong it may be unless you're fully awakened godlike being (neo reference, Neo can change the matrix but even him ONLY FOR HIMSELF), cannot change a so complex structure like what we are talking here, to do such thing people need to unite on a common accepted truth and make it realize, with intent , justice , love (not sex), and a very big dedication.

The means to attain this are...... oh wait I am not gonna say this here, cannot help the enemy after all right?


ok. what I meant is that every being is the god of their own universe. but it looks like that these gods have their own problems, such as multiple personality disorder and amnesia.

even when you are fully awakened godlike being, you can only change and create your own reality. you create your own universe. every spark from the "Creator" is a god in its own right. thus, we may picture the following: we have several beings with infinite power creating their own realities. sometimes a bunch of them decide to work together and produce an "intersection" between their realities to create a shared / collective reality:

two gods and their shared reality:

IMAGE ( [link to upload.wikimedia.org] )


this shared reality belongs to no one in particular, and so no one in particular has the right to change it completely. the beings , of course, have agreed with not spoiling "the game" and so no one will attempt to fuck with the game rules and override the entire reality by themselves, although each and every being HAS the power to do that, as we are all divine sparks, or "gods". what we can do is change whatever lies within our own circle / universe.. we can change everything contained in its perimeter MINUS the part (intersection) that we agreed to share with our brothers. once the game s over, we are back into creating our own reality in its full extension.
 Quoting: gus 319252



I agree with most of this, but there is a problem in your picture, it doent take in consideration that the initial agreement to share a common created and acknowledged reality may have been for lack of better therm hijacked and since then manipulated by a group, who may be or may be not part of the initial agreement.

In this case, the game who has been created for our own good and why not amusement, has been turned against the creators and may be out of their control since then.

The isntruments of this hipotized enemy to keep control of "the game of reality" are visible now more than ever in this tecnological matrix-society, they are: control of information, removal of new paradigms, mind control and social engineering.

There are two possibilities, one is the mentioned the second one is that the "gods" who are in everyone of us are fundamentally evil and masochistic and love to create chaos, evil and death for themselves and their own reality.

Do you see another possibility considered your premises?





GLP