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EU WANTS DIRECT CONTROL OVER NATIONAL BUDGETS !! WHAT? EU THE SUPERSTATE

 
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In a couple of years Britain is gonna beg for the EURO hahaha

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in yer fucking dreams!
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Hell, what took you so long to comment on this !!

hf
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You Europeans are suckers! Give up your sovereignty for the EuroState.


Didn't the state you live in gave up his sovereignty for Washington ?
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Nope. In fact we are testing that via a lawsuit by the State Attorney General against the unconstitutional health care bill. Now roll over Frenchy and grovel before your government.
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You Europeans are suckers! Give up your sovereignty for the EuroState.


I got an idea!
Lets all Europe go to America and tear the Government a new one and all America goes to Europe to tear all EU government a new one and then we trade places again and we just pretend it was WWIII and everybody won and we are off the hook!!
Next day, no governments!
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Actually we need more people like you Greeks to burn this shit down. Most Americans are sheep and refuse to rebel against the shit the Democrats shove down our throats.
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You Europeans are suckers! Give up your sovereignty for the EuroState.


Didn't the state you live in gave up his sovereignty for Washington ?

Nope. In fact we are testing that via a lawsuit by the State Attorney General against the unconstitutional health care bill. Now roll over Frenchy and grovel before your government.
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Well, as soon as your State Attorney General answered this one let us know who your boss is.
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Globalist bastards!
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2) the financial umbrella 750 billion to make sure nobody goes bancrupt
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I've been told Europe is indebted about 9,000 billion euro !
(heard at TV !)

so what with your 750 billion ?

Just a little break before all is going down.
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Power does not equivocate intelligent and fair.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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The politicians here today are denying that it means the end of our financial independence, but most people know the writings on the wall.

This ultimately means the EU will give a slice of the financial pie to each individual country and make them spend it the way Brussels tells them. The sheeple here are beginning to realise what they signed up for in all those treaties. But those of us who vehemently opposed them, knew this was coming.
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Republicans Sound Alarm on Administration Plan to Seize 401(k)s

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In February, the White House released its “Annual Report on the Middle Class” containing new regulations favored by Big Labor including a bailout of critically underfunded union pension plans through “retirement security” options.

The radical solution most favored by Big Labor is the seizure of private 401(k) plans for government disbursement -- which lets them off the hook for their collapsing retirement scheme. And, of course, the Obama administration is eager to accommodate their buddies.

Vice President Joe Biden floated the idea, called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” (GRAs), in the February “Middle Class” report.

In conjunction with the report’s release, the Obama administration jointly issued through the Departments of Labor and Treasury a “Request for Information” regarding the “annuitization” of 401(k) plans through “Lifetime Income Options” in the form of a notice to the public of proposed issuance of rules and regulations. (pdf)

House Republican Leader John Boehner (Ohio) and a group of House Republicans are mounting an effort to fight back.

The American people have become painfully aware over the past year that elections sometimes have calamitous consequences. Republicans lack the votes (for now) to reign in the Obama administration’s myriad nationalization plans for everything from health care to the automobile industry.

Now the backdoor bulls-eye is on your 401(k) plan and the trillions of dollars the government would control through seizure, regulation and federal disbursement of mandatory retirement accounts.

Boehner and the group are sounding the alarm, warning bureaucrats to keep their hands off of America’s private retirement plans.

Just when you thought it was safe to come up for air after the government takeover of health care.

The entirety of the House GOP Savings Recovery Group letter outling the issue that was sent last night to the Labor and Treasury secretaries:

The Honorable Hilda L. Solis

Secretary

U.S. Department of Labor

200 Constitution Avenue, NW

Washington, DC 20210

The Honorable Timothy Geithner

Secretary

U.S. Department of the Treasury

1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW

Washington, DC 20210

Dear Secretaries Solis and Geithner:

As members of the Republican Savings Solutions Group, we write today to express our strong opposition to any proposal to eliminate or federalize private-sector defined contribution pension plans, such as 401(k)s, or impose burdensome new requirements upon the businesses, large and small, who choose to offer these plans to their employees.

In the Annual Report of the White House Task Force on the Middle Class, Vice President Biden discussed at length the creation of so-called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts, (GRAs)” which would provide for protection from “inflation and market risk” and potentially “guarantee a specified real return above the rate of inflation” -- presumably at taxpayer expense. In the Report, the Vice President recommended “further study of these issues.”

The Vice President’s comments are troubling, insofar as they come on the heels of testimony before Congress from supporters of GRAs proposing to eliminate the favorable tax treatment currently afforded to 401(k) plans, and instead use those dollars to fund government-invested GRAs into which all employees would be required to contribute a portion of their salary -- again, with a government subsidy. These advocates would, essentially, dismantle the present private-sector 401(k) system, replacing it instead with a government-run investment plan, the size and scope of which remain to be seen. This despite data showing that 90 percent of households have a favorable opinion of the existing 401(k)/IRA system.

In light of these facts, we write today to express our opposition in the strongest terms to any effort to “nationalize” the private 401(k) system, or any proposal that would dismantle or disfavor the private 401(k) system in favor of a government-run retirement security regime.

Similarly, and more recently, the Departments of Labor and Treasury have jointly issued a “Request for Information” regarding the “annuitization” of 401(k) plans through “Lifetime Income Options.” While we appreciate the Departments’ seeking guidance and information from all parties and stakeholders in advance of regulatory activity, we strongly urge that the Departments not proceed with any regulation in this area before they have carefully and thoroughly considered all of the information received.

More specifically, we urge that the Departments take no action to mandate that plan sponsors -- often, small businesses -- include a “lifetime income” or “annuitization” option if they choose to offer a 401(k) plan to their employees, or that beneficiaries take some or all of their retirement savings in such an option. Data shows that 70 percent of Americans oppose the concept of a mandated annuity or government payout of their 401(k) plan. On a more fundamental level, Congress should not be in the business of choosing “winners” and “losers” among retirement security stakeholders. Instead, we urge the Departments to make it easier for employers to include retirement income solutions in their savings plans and to help workers learn more about the value of their retirement savings as a source of retirement income. Finally, to the extent new mandates and bureaucratic red tape from Washington push small employers out of the business of offering these plans to their employees, we would submit such an effort weakens, rather than strengthens retirement security.

We appreciate your consideration of our views in these important matters and stand ready to work with you and the Administration to promote secure and adequate retirement savings for all Americans.

Sincerely,

House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH)

Rep. John Kline (R-MN)

Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI)

Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX)

Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV)

Rep. Brett Guthrie (R-KY)

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)

Rep. Pat Tiberi (R-OH)

Rep. Bob Latta (R-OH)

Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-MN)

Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)

Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA)

Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA)



This really should be it's own thread but things just seem to be getting worse.
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They need to concede defeat. GLP killed the Euro, we all know that.
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2) the financial umbrella 750 billion to make sure nobody goes bancrupt


I've been told Europe is indebted about 9,000 billion euro !
(heard at TV !)

so what with your 750 billion ?

Just a little break before all is going down.
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Well, listen:
In Germany at the times of the D-Mark there were several Bundesländer bancrupt, Bremen and even Berlin for example.
In the US there are several states bancrupt: california for example.
In the EU there is Greece bancrupt and other states have too much debt.

What does that mean ?
It means that people with lots of money can get lots of other people to panic and sell at the bourse some papers which have only virtual value.

Why ?
Because they can sell the idea that those states will never pay back their debt.

So real people with EUROs on their bank accounts are in panic mode and buy gold and swiss francs and exchange the euro in other commodities.

Are they right, those people who sell these ideas ?
Yes they are right. Nobody will never pay back their debt. Thats sure. The money somebody owes you are on the positive side of your countries balance as money which comes in one day but it will never be coming in, never, ever, for sure and for sure.
And if you owe money you know you will never ever pay it back. Never ! Never Not in a million of years !

Why does the system work?
See next thread
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Well, when one votes to give up ones NATIONAL IDENTITY and ones INDEPENDENT RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION to an all-powerful centralized heartless bureaucracy, what does one EXPECT in the end?

Goodness and light?
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Well said.

Indeed what was expected?

Did no one else see from the infancy of the EU that the goal was for the EU to be like the US's federal government?

Europe was conquered without firing a shot.
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EU runs all. They own America through UN. Forget presidents and rush their EU asses into deep water. drown the pigs.
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Well, listen:
In Germany at the times of the D-Mark there were several Bundesländer bancrupt, Bremen and even Berlin for example.
In the US there are several states bancrupt: california for example.
In the EU there is Greece bancrupt and other states have too much debt.

What does that mean ?
It means that people with lots of money can get lots of other people to panic and sell at the bourse some papers which have only virtual value.

Why ?
Because they can sell the idea that those states will never pay back their debt.

So real people with EUROs on their bank accounts are in panic mode and buy gold and swiss francs and exchange the euro in other commodities.

Are they right, those people who sell these ideas ?
Yes they are right. Nobody will never pay back their debt. Thats sure. The money somebody owes you are on the positive side of your countries balance as money which comes in one day but it will never be coming in, never, ever, for sure and for sure.
And if you owe money you know you will never ever pay it back. Never ! Never Not in a million of years !

Why does the system work?
See next thread
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So why does it work ? That is a phenomen ! Lets look at the system:

1) a boures is a system where people try to make money. you can make money at the bourse every day, every hour, every minute.

If you can make money today, you do not care today for tomorrow !!!
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"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws".

A quote by Mayer Amschel Rothschild ( but you knew that)


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Every nation that has money as debt is bankrupt. The solution to that is to abolish the banksters, DON'T PAY THEM, and everyone just accept their losses and start over. Oh, and hang the banksters.
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First of all, the idea to control the national budgets is necessary to hold the system.

Second, 9 Billion depth for EU is not a problem at all.

Let's make an example on Germany.
Germany has 1.8 Billion depth and 0,6 Billion in balance.
But Germany values count up to 4.5 Billions.

So 4.5 + 0.6 - 1.8 = 3.3 Billion assets.


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Next depth is necessary for our system!

Imagine all existing money is 1 coin and this coin is in the hands of the central bank.

Well you want that coin to buy something.

So you go to the bank. The bank doesn't have enough so they go to the central bank and lend this one coin and give it to you.

Well the bank will pay an interest of 0,5% to the central bank and you'll pay let's say 5% to the bank.

But if you haven't forgotten only the one coin exists. So it is not possible at all to pay back any of the interest without making new depth at all.

AND if there aren't any depth in this system, there won't be any more money than - in my example - this small coin.

But WITH depth there is lots of money and the system is able to work.


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So if states would pay pack all their depth, this would kill the economy, because the consequence would be somebody else will have the depth > economy, people.

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In the end, the only one who is able to pay back the depth are central banks printing new money and amortize state depths.

whatever
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So why does it work ? That is a phenomenom ! Lets look at the system:

1) a boures is a system where people try to make money. you can make money at the bourse every day, every hour, every minute.

If you can make money today, you do not care today for tomorrow !!!
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With the EURO you can make no money any more as a trader. Greece is at the leash of the IMF, other countries are taking measures right now to tackle the deficit problem. And 750 billions are ready for a bailout, meaning the debtors want to see your cards and you have it.

So, what are the traders are going to do next? The Wall Street guys in the name of Goldman Sax helped Greece to disguise their actual deficit. They helped them to cheat, to get into the union, and every fkg year they helped to send wrong numbers to brussels.

The days of the bourse are numbered. There are going to be rules and there is going to be a tax on every trade. Whith that money on the trades the fallouts of the banksters will be cleaned up.
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Sorry. Replace Billion by Trillion.

:p

First of all, the idea to control the national budgets is necessary to hold the system.

Second, 9 Trillion depth for EU is not a problem at all.

Let's make an example on Germany.
Germany has 1.8 Trillion depth and 0,6 Trillion in balance.
But Germany values count up to 4.5 Trillions.

So 4.5 + 0.6 - 1.8 = 3.3 Trillion assets.


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Next depth is necessary for our system!

Imagine all existing money is 1 coin and this coin is in the hands of the central bank.

Well you want that coin to buy something.

So you go to the bank. The bank doesn't have enough so they go to the central bank and lend this one coin and give it to you.

Well the bank will pay an interest of 0,5% to the central bank and you'll pay let's say 5% to the bank.

But if you haven't forgotten only the one coin exists. So it is not possible at all to pay back any of the interest without making new depth at all.

AND if there aren't any depth in this system, there won't be any more money than - in my example - this small coin.

But WITH depth there is lots of money and the system is able to work.


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So if states would pay pack all their depth, this would kill the economy, because the consequence would be somebody else will have the depth > economy, people.

-------

In the end, the only one who is able to pay back the depth are central banks printing new money and amortize state depths.

whatever
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this is why the constitution will not matter, international will take over
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btw. as I wrote interests means new money.

That's what Germany payed on interests so far this year:

[link to www.steuerzahler.de]

This means that much new money produced by German state alone.
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So basically this is saying that socialism has had it's run in Europe and now it's time to pay the piper, but no one wants to?
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So basically this is saying that socialism has had it's run in Europe and now it's time to pay the piper, but no one wants to?
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You just don't get it, do you?

Now i suggest you to do this:

1. Have a look on ya own depth
2. Understand what depth means
3. Understand what socialism is

Thanks. yeahsure
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You just don't get it, do you?

Now i suggest you to do this:

1. Have a look on ya own depth
2. Understand what depth means
3. Understand what socialism is

Thanks.
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I'm a pretty deep person and I know what it means. I also completely understand socialism, but I'm sure you'll have a justified version of it?
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You just don't get it, do you?

Now i suggest you to do this:

1. Have a look on ya own depth
2. Understand what depth means
3. Understand what socialism is

Thanks.

I'm a pretty deep person and I know what it means. I also completely understand socialism, but I'm sure you'll have a justified version of it?
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Well there are endless different definitions what socialism means, so there is not enough space for that.

I know you Americans are talking about socialism because Obama talks about a health insurance.

We in Germany naturally define socialism to be a lot more than this, cause East Germany called themselves to be a "Democratic Socialism".

So, maybe forget the last point because it won't help in this discussion.

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But whatever, have a look on ya own depth and have in mind USA's depth is going to raise more than 1 Trillion only this year.
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btw. as I wrote interests means new money.

That's what Germany payed on interests so far this year:

[link to www.steuerzahler.de]

This means that much new money produced by German state alone.
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You Germans are always the victims and always the greatest. Once you are in the majority you try to take over the place, like the arabs.

If you are strong everybody needs mandatory to do exactly as you do.

You are always right because your economy is always right, that gives you the natural right to tell others how to live, exactly how to live, exactly minute by minute and action by action, it needs to be controlled and verified.

I worked in Germany, I speak german, and I know you. I like you in many ways. I worked and lived in berlin, bremen, munich, kassel and many other cities.

You always try to shape the world to fit to your own culture, thinking and feeling what should be right and not right, thinking that your way of doing things is the ultimate and only right way to do a thing.

In France other people accept other people, and there is much more individuel liberty. Like you there is a saying that there are more than on road leading ot Rome, but in Germany there is only one way leading to Rome.
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btw. as I wrote interests means new money.

That's what Germany payed on interests so far this year:

[link to www.steuerzahler.de]

This means that much new money produced by German state alone.


You Germans are always the victims and always the greatest. Once you are in the majority you try to take over the place, like the arabs.

If you are strong everybody needs mandatory to do exactly as you do.

You are always right because your economy is always right, that gives you the natural right to tell others how to live, exactly how to live, exactly minute by minute and action by action, it needs to be controlled and verified.

I worked in Germany, I speak german, and I know you. I like you in many ways. I worked and lived in berlin, bremen, munich, kassel and many other cities.

You always try to shape the world to fit to your own culture, thinking and feeling what should be right and not right, thinking that your way of doing things is the ultimate and only right way to do a thing.

In France other people accept other people, and there is much more individuel liberty. Like you there is a saying that there are more than on road leading ot Rome, but in Germany there is only one way leading to Rome.
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Financial facts remain financial facts, honey.

But I am open for hearing your incredible frog-eating rescue plan.

*listening*
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Well there are endless different definitions what socialism means, so there is not enough space for that.

I know you Americans are talking about socialism because Obama talks about a health insurance.

We in Germany naturally define socialism to be a lot more than this, cause East Germany called themselves to be a "Democratic Socialism".

So, maybe forget the last point because it won't help in this discussion.

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But whatever, have a look on ya own depth and have in mind USA's depth is going to raise more than 1 Trillion only this year.
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Do you mean debt? Well if the American public had it's way (which we don't under this administration) there's no fucking way our debt would that huge. The ignorant masses elected a socialist into office (not that G Dub didn't also have a hand in the debt, but at least he was fighting terrorism) and the clown blew our debt out of the water. Normally in our Republic there is a checks and balances power, but not the case at this crucial time. Americans are massing together to stop all the destruction it can while we still can. Why couldn't Europeans done the same? Instead you sold your sovereignty. It is your fault.
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Well there are endless different definitions what socialism means, so there is not enough space for that.

I know you Americans are talking about socialism because Obama talks about a health insurance.

We in Germany naturally define socialism to be a lot more than this, cause East Germany called themselves to be a "Democratic Socialism".

So, maybe forget the last point because it won't help in this discussion.

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But whatever, have a look on ya own depth and have in mind USA's depth is going to raise more than 1 Trillion only this year.



Do you mean debt? Well if the American public had it's way (which we don't under this administration) there's no fucking way our debt would that huge. The ignorant masses elected a socialist into office (not that G Dub didn't also have a hand in the debt, but at least he was fighting terrorism) and the clown blew our debt out of the water. Normally in our Republic there is a checks and balances power, but not the case at this crucial time. Americans are massing together to stop all the destruction it can while we still can. Why couldn't Europeans done the same? Instead you sold your sovereignty. It is your fault.
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Do you think your state sold its sovereignty to the United States? rockon

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