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Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?

 
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Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
Somebody honorable told me so !

What do you think ?
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Or is it a scam ... " the means must be honorable and the goal achievable by honest and innocent action " !
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
Many masons are catholic its not religion based anyone can be a Mason if they want to waste large amounts of time being bored to death.
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
no, they are the same thing
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
Fact- the church was infiltrated long ago- the small core of hyper modern techno catholics of the new tommorrow realize that fighting demons more or less amounts to containment

Fact- the evil personality type seeks cover and refuge in the church- hence that which is good is deemed evil- thehiding of these by the catholic church (simply moving priests to another location) was done outside the core's knowledge - the infiltration is at such a level that one priest quipped- "the jesuits islike a homosexuals only club"
feed the poor, tend the sick- simple- anything else is not catholic nor the church

Fact- The hyper modern techno cathoics-will never preach- will never be shown- will bever defend their faith- they are busy defending the species

Fact- orthodox greeks claim to be the first christian church
and they are correct. which is why outside of a few monestaries that house about three thousand demons- that church has long been infiltrated by the dark unspoken ones

the evidence is clear- Hyper modern techno catholics in the land of forever- making the world a safer place
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
Somebody honorable told me so !

What do you think ?
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They are working together so NO war between them! pope

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I thought this might be of help :

" There are two kinds of people. Those who believe that the end justifies the means. And those who believe that the means must be honorable, otherwise the cost of achieving the end is too great a price to pay.

One of Neitzche's most famous quotations is 'Those who hunt monsters, must take care not to become monsters themselves.'

By that definition, Warriors for Innocence have joined the ranks of the monsters.
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If the templars were at the top of the Masonic order then it's possible.
Twenty grand dood, it's a lot of money!

Recently homosexuals have been making anti christian threads. Think about it.
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Fact- Catholics- we take anyone - which unfortunatley means anyone

Fact- Catholics- Fish fries and orphangages and stuff like that. fishfrys and orphanges and hospitals are kinda good

Fact- Catholics- Masons? they are just one of the about 34 percent of the dark unspoken ones

Fact- Catholics- Mass- all - and it ain;t pretty, blood
flesh and death- other religions speak of "balance" and new age demons speak of "haranks- that harmony" Gee thanks demon- that really explains passion and death and tragedy which is the real truth- taken by men of god who throw thier chest out unafraid - and yet non deluded by false speech of the damned

the evidence is clear- Hyper modern techno catholics from dimension 7- heros of the new millenium
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
no, but a secret covenant...
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Catholics are forbidden by their church from becoming masons. They will be excommunicated...CUT OFF from their church if they become masons.
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05/17/2010 12:55 AM
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Catholics are forbidden by their church from becoming masons. They will be excommunicated...CUT OFF from their church if they become masons.
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that would be a blessing from god before the church draggs them to hell wit the boy touching priest.
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
Jesuits after they were banned from Europe started the Illuminati - which then infiltrated and took over the top levels of Freemasonry - this has been one of their main methods for controling and bringing to heel the entire protestant world.
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
I've known some masons and my impression is they are secretly against the Pope, the Vatican,the Jesuits, and want to curtail their power.Catholics aren't allowed by the church to be freemasons. Besides they have their own group-the Knights of Columbus.
I think the whole Catholics and Freemasons are secretly working together thing is total B.S. and pure fiction.
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I think people like these has no historical knowledge of either, and they are truly blind by real evil.
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Catholics are forbidden by their church from becoming masons. They will be excommunicated...CUT OFF from their church if they become masons.
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This is true...

Since joining the lodge, I have been excommunicated from the catholic church.

By Vatican Law, I am allowed to attend mass, but not receive the sacrament..

No sweat off my back honestly.
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
no, just a war
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The hatred between the "jewish people" and the pope says it all.
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Re: Is there a secret war between ... Catholics and the Masons ?
They are led by different "demons".
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<IMO>

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We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

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"It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fessler's Rite, the "Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West -- Sovereign Prince Masons," etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsay, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others who founded the grades in these rites, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degrees were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baleful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris." (Isis Unveiled, H. P. Blavatsky, p.390)

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<IMO>

You so called "conspiracy researchers", are still almost complete suckers.
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<IMO>

You so called "conspiracy researchers", are still almost complete suckers.
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CATHOLICS are the SUCKERS.

Did you not see the OBELISK and other paganism at the Vatican?

Did you not study the history of the bloody Inquisition where these men claiming to be "christian" would gouge out eyes, roast alive and hang other humans in cages left to starve, where the entire city could watch?

Do you believe they have changed?
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Not quite. You already have the full truth in the front of your faces, but aren't able to get it.
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....in the words of Peter Sellers...." Not any more".
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Their is a story that goes something like this:

The Knight Templar where hired by the Vatican to travel the world in search of secret information and anything else that would help the Vatican gain more power.

Well needles to say they found more than they could ever imagine which of course made the Vatican the superpower they are today.

The Vatican decided that the knight's of Templar knew to much and needed to be eliminated.

the story goes that the knight's that managed to escape formed or became a part of the freemasons.

They say the story about King Arthur and the knight's of the round table searching for the holy grail is actually the story of the Knight Templar searching for the greatest secrets of the world.
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Not quite. You already have the full truth in the front of your faces, but aren't able to get it.
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The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth. The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will. The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

2. This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one."(1) At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault. At this period, however, the partisans of evil seems to be combining together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by that strongly organized and widespread association called the Freemasons. No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself. They are planning the destruction of holy Church publicly and openly, and this with the set purpose of utterly despoiling the nations of Christendom, if it were possible, of the blessings obtained for us through Jesus Christ our Saviour. Lamenting these evils, We are constrained by the charity which urges Our heart to cry out often to God: "For lo, Thy enemies have made a noise; and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head. They have taken a malicious counsel against Thy people, and they have consulted against Thy saints. They have said, 'come, and let us destroy them, so that they be not a nation.'(2)
 Quoting: On Freemasonry [link to www.vatican.va]
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The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth. The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will. The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

2. This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one."(1) At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault. At this period, however, the partisans of evil seems to be combining together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by that strongly organized and widespread association called the Freemasons. No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself. They are planning the destruction of holy Church publicly and openly, and this with the set purpose of utterly despoiling the nations of Christendom, if it were possible, of the blessings obtained for us through Jesus Christ our Saviour. Lamenting these evils, We are constrained by the charity which urges Our heart to cry out often to God: "For lo, Thy enemies have made a noise; and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head. They have taken a malicious counsel against Thy people, and they have consulted against Thy saints. They have said, 'come, and let us destroy them, so that they be not a nation.'(2)
 Quoting: On Freemasonry [link to www.vatican.va]

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this should answer the OP's question. You wont hear about this from the Pastor next Sunday though. It's not just the freemasons either.
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The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth. The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will. The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

2. This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one."(1) At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault. At this period, however, the partisans of evil seems to be combining together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by that strongly organized and widespread association called the Freemasons. No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself. They are planning the destruction of holy Church publicly and openly, and this with the set purpose of utterly despoiling the nations of Christendom, if it were possible, of the blessings obtained for us through Jesus Christ our Saviour. Lamenting these evils, We are constrained by the charity which urges Our heart to cry out often to God: "For lo, Thy enemies have made a noise; and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head. They have taken a malicious counsel against Thy people, and they have consulted against Thy saints. They have said, 'come, and let us destroy them, so that they be not a nation.'(2)
 Quoting: On Freemasonry [link to www.vatican.va]

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this should answer the OP's question. You wont hear about this from the Pastor next Sunday though. It's not just the freemasons either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7989393


Plausible deniability. There's another encyclical allowing new converts to Catholic who are FM "to remain comfortably within Freemasonry". Believe that was JP II. Such was the case with Tony Blair, and Newt Gingrich. Then, the pope absolved the Templars!

Of course Catholics do not join FM. There may be Jesuits on the Supreme Council of 33 in Washington DC but for the average Catholic, no they do not join. However, that does not mean FM does not serve Rome. It does. There is a chain-of-command all the way from local lodges to DC & London at the Crown Temple founded by the Templars in 1200. It is mostly a body of top BAR lawyers. That is who founded DC in 1775-1790.

As military knights they answer to the Jesuit General and Pope who created the knights. Same goes for the Knights of Malta.
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Mason shoes? my uncle is a rep for that company, and it does seem that catholics are boycotting him at the moment....Jewish people love him.

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