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Ostria

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When will the Germans riot?
They will face similar austerity measures to pay for the Europa and Grecian bailout. No tax cuts, cuts in wages to public sector employees, and a possible tax hike..

All kidding aside, the German people have been beaten into submission. They are still the stormtroopers of old. The police in Germany will beat the fuck out of you if you try some of the shit they did in Greece (burning cars, fire bombs thrown at police, burning banks); AND IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL.
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For Germany is really bad. If you have seen any riots there, police is not joking (nor the protesters).
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Theres nothing they can do... riot and destroy shit all they like...

protest do nothing except give police training on effective crowd dispersal techniques.

Tptb have this whole world on lockdown and there's not a goddamn thing anyone can do about it.

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Someday, when people had had enough, protesters will line up with guns in front of the police and will give the cops a choice :

SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE AND LIVE OR SIDE WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND DIE.
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I dont know about Greece, but I know Spain is a nation where everybody who can (those with money) only gather as much wealth as possible with no sense for society or future.
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true. but isnt that whats happening everywhere anyway?
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I will say this once and by all means attack me with words that will crush my ego, self esteem and make me question my intellect and existence on this earth….NOT!

Each individual is accountable for their actions. If you have no work ethic, why do you expect to be paid the same as someone who works their butt off? It’s just plain common sense. Unions may have been created with an altruistic idea, but it has morphed into something corrupt and unjust. It has become what it was designed to prevent. Unions make people think they are entitled to STUFF. Get this straight…you are entitled to only what you pay into a government. But you must be sensible. You can’t expect to pay little and get a lot in return. It’s unsustainable. Greece reached its sustainability and they are trying to correct it, but the Greek people want to maintain the status quo. Something has got to give! And the people don’t understand that they must pay for what they created. The United States has been going down that path for a long time. Why we haven’t hit unsistainability yet with the amount we spend, I have no idea. It is my job as a citizen to stop the machine. I’m like a little Chinese guy standing in front of an armored tank, but at least I am standing. You can let your country rot if that’s your choice. I will die trying to fix mine.
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The True Story Behind the Greece and Romanian Catastrophes.
The Side You Won't Hear From the Media.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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05/13/2010 10:48 AM
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The True Story Behind the Greece and Romanian Catastrophes.
The Side You Won't Hear From the Media.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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This is inaccurate in its data.
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Retirees called for the resignation of President Traian Basescu who last week announced a plan of austerity measures, including pension cuts and salary cuts in the public sector, to avoid raising main taxes.

Romania has about 1.4 million state employees and about 5.5 million retirees.

Similar protests were staged by thousands of other retirees across the country's major cities.

The International Monetary Fund said it recommended a series of "balanced" measures to lower Romania's growing budget deficit, but the authorities in Bucharest decided to rely almost entirely on public spending cuts.

Recession-hit Romania, which is relying on a EURO 20 billion IMF-led loan, has pledged to drastically cut public spending and reign in this year's budget deficit to 6.8% of GDP. Cuts include a 25% reduction of public sector salaries and 15% of pensions, unemployment and other social benefits, as well as massive subsidy cuts.

Romania's first quarter gross domestic product shrank by 0.3% in real terms compared with the earlier quarter, a flash estimate of the National Statistics Institute showed Wednesday, which means the country is still in recession.

Unions have threatened Greek-style protests over the austerity plan and an ample protest of about 40,000 people will take place in Bucharest next week, on May 19, and teachers are set to go on full-blown strike as of May 31, boycotting national tests and threatening to freeze the school year.

About 1,000 retirees ended a protest outside the presidential palace in Bucharest, two hours later than planned and after brief scuffles with security forces.

In Iasi 500 students protested against the new education law.This education law will ban students from the university council,taxes will triple,campus taxes will also triple,scholarships will go down 50% and many more absurd measures.



And you thought that Greece was raped! AH!
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LINK???
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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05/13/2010 10:51 AM
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LINK: FAMILY IN ROMANIA

Many here are from Romania, they will confirm.
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05/13/2010 10:52 AM
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First Greek.

Then Romania.

Afterwards Italy.

All descendants of very wise ancient tribes.

They have now become degenerates.
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I wonder what happens when governments take austerity measures in Muslim countries.

Oops! Forgot!
They don't have governments there and are always in austerity.

5a
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05/13/2010 11:06 AM
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You forgot Ukraine in the list. IMF make the same requirements to receive next loan from it, as Ukraine is bankrupt, the only way to survive is loans from IMF and tax increase, which is under the way now despite the pre-election promises of the new president
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Is there a pattern here with countries supposedly not accepting to sign deals with the Russians or is it just me?
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Retirees called for the resignation of President Traian Basescu who last week announced a plan of austerity measures, including pension cuts and salary cuts in the public sector, to avoid raising main taxes.

Romania has about 1.4 million state employees and about 5.5 million retirees.

Similar protests were staged by thousands of other retirees across the country's major cities.

The International Monetary Fund said it recommended a series of "balanced" measures to lower Romania's growing budget deficit, but the authorities in Bucharest decided to rely almost entirely on public spending cuts.

Recession-hit Romania, which is relying on a EURO 20 billion IMF-led loan, has pledged to drastically cut public spending and reign in this year's budget deficit to 6.8% of GDP. Cuts include a 25% reduction of public sector salaries and 15% of pensions, unemployment and other social benefits, as well as massive subsidy cuts.

Romania's first quarter gross domestic product shrank by 0.3% in real terms compared with the earlier quarter, a flash estimate of the National Statistics Institute showed Wednesday, which means the country is still in recession.

Unions have threatened Greek-style protests over the austerity plan and an ample protest of about 40,000 people will take place in Bucharest next week, on May 19, and teachers are set to go on full-blown strike as of May 31, boycotting national tests and threatening to freeze the school year.

About 1,000 retirees ended a protest outside the presidential palace in Bucharest, two hours later than planned and after brief scuffles with security forces.

In Iasi 500 students protested against the new education law.This education law will ban students from the university council,taxes will triple,campus taxes will also triple,scholarships will go down 50% and many more absurd measures.



And you thought that Greece was raped! AH!
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i dont see this news reported anywhere

this news it's TOTAL bsflag bsflag bsflag
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05/13/2010 11:15 AM
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Sure, who told you that we collected money? Our salaries are of the lowest in the european union and our taxes (and the goods prices) equal to them.


So you would categorize your economy as capitalistic then?


Full capitalistic. There is like a 10% that lives in much wealth and they are the ones who arrange everything (with their foreign friends).
 Quoting: Ostria


How is it capitalistic since we don't produce anything anymore?
If it wasn't for the tourism we would all starve decades ago.
Civil servant handout attitude is taking this country to the grave with them and if the rest of us protest too much They just legalize enough illegals to keep the economy running and they force the rest of us to migrate.
It's a nightmare.
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05/13/2010 11:16 AM
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We will follow you. We have a general strike and protests on the 20th.
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Why wait?
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Retirees called for the resignation of President Traian Basescu who last week announced a plan of austerity measures, including pension cuts and salary cuts in the public sector, to avoid raising main taxes.

Romania has about 1.4 million state employees and about 5.5 million retirees.

Similar protests were staged by thousands of other retirees across the country's major cities.

The International Monetary Fund said it recommended a series of "balanced" measures to lower Romania's growing budget deficit, but the authorities in Bucharest decided to rely almost entirely on public spending cuts.

Recession-hit Romania, which is relying on a EURO 20 billion IMF-led loan, has pledged to drastically cut public spending and reign in this year's budget deficit to 6.8% of GDP. Cuts include a 25% reduction of public sector salaries and 15% of pensions, unemployment and other social benefits, as well as massive subsidy cuts.

Romania's first quarter gross domestic product shrank by 0.3% in real terms compared with the earlier quarter, a flash estimate of the National Statistics Institute showed Wednesday, which means the country is still in recession.

Unions have threatened Greek-style protests over the austerity plan and an ample protest of about 40,000 people will take place in Bucharest next week, on May 19, and teachers are set to go on full-blown strike as of May 31, boycotting national tests and threatening to freeze the school year.

About 1,000 retirees ended a protest outside the presidential palace in Bucharest, two hours later than planned and after brief scuffles with security forces.

In Iasi 500 students protested against the new education law.This education law will ban students from the university council,taxes will triple,campus taxes will also triple,scholarships will go down 50% and many more absurd measures.



And you thought that Greece was raped! AH!

i dont see this news reported anywhere

this news it's TOTAL bsflag bsflag bsflag
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Man.. the news about romania was in the news at 14.30 TG3
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05/13/2010 11:32 AM
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FOOLS! The information is real.
[link to www.actmedia.eu]

[link to www.focus-fen.net]

This idiot of a president has to be killed by someone. He is a former sailor (!!!!). A lot of people voted for him back in 2009 because he fooled them saying that if he isn't elected again, the communists will take over the country!!! And a lot of people fell for it!!!! Somehow, we kind of deserve what is happening to us. At least a part of the country. The rest of us who voted for the right people are currently suffering the consequences of the fools who voted for the sailor again.
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You forgot Ukraine in the list. IMF make the same requirements to receive next loan from it, as Ukraine is bankrupt, the only way to survive is loans from IMF and tax increase, which is under the way now despite the pre-election promises of the new president
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Well, you must really burn down that building near Rechnoj Vokzal in Kiev, and do it today.
Ostria

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05/13/2010 11:38 AM
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Check the list here, it is from 2007 for Greece.

It is the pensions of people who work in different branches of economy, both semi-public and private.

the first one IKA is for most employees in many private branches. The second one is for many freelancers. The second from the end is the pension for doctors.

The first number is the lowest (many people get this one) and the third one is for the ones of the higher positions.

[link to 1.bp.blogspot.com]


Now the public sector (official number 511.913 without those who work for the defence department) gets a bit higher but most people who work for the state get between 1000-1400 euro. Of course the ones in the high posts get much more (eg our politicians said that now will cut their salary to 6000!!! per month without the extra bonuses they take -according to sources they recieved 75,800-140.000 per year).
Now I hope you understand why we protest.

And more, the cost to live here is not cheap any more (it used to be some 20 years ago). The multinational corporations sell their basic products up to 50% more than in any other european country! (there were many reports on this lately).

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How is it capitalistic since we don't produce anything anymore?
If it wasn't for the tourism we would all starve decades ago.
Civil servant handout attitude is taking this country to the grave with them and if the rest of us protest too much They just legalize enough illegals to keep the economy running and they force the rest of us to migrate.
It's a nightmare.
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The ones who govern us all these years behave as capitalists IMO. Thats why.
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05/13/2010 11:42 AM
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How is it capitalistic since we don't produce anything anymore?
If it wasn't for the tourism we would all starve decades ago.
Civil servant handout attitude is taking this country to the grave with them and if the rest of us protest too much They just legalize enough illegals to keep the economy running and they force the rest of us to migrate.
It's a nightmare.


The ones who govern us all these years behave as capitalists IMO. Thats why.
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Politicians are the opposite of 'capitalist'.

That is like saying, "Those who raped that woman behaved as peaceful love makers, and this is why I call them peaceful love makers."

It's a contradiction. Actions by government, or government officials, can't be capitalism by definition.

Actions by rapists can't be actions by peaceful love makers by definition.
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Politicians are the opposite of 'capitalist'.

That is like saying, "Those who raped that woman behaved as peaceful love makers, and this is why I call them peaceful love makers."

It's a contradiction. Actions by government, or government officials, can't be capitalism by definition.

Actions by rapists can't be actions by peaceful love makers by definition.
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Can we agree to call them scums?
Because this is what most of them (not all) are.
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I live in Romania and this protest is nothing in compare with what will be on 19 May! Yesterday on the streets was just the elders but on 19 May at least 50000 people will be on the streets to protest against this incapable governement. Traian Basescu and his protege Elena Udrea the minister of tourism and development will fall together with Emil "the midget" Boc the prime-minister, Adriean Videanu minister of economy, and the rest of the idiots. We need to do something for this country and this is the only way yoda
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If the government doesn't cut spending the country will go bankrupt. So why aren't the people protesting against the bloated number of lazy government beaurocrats that is causing the debt? Get rid of them and everything is OK. The hardworkers should be attacking government workers.
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I`m from Romania and I can`t believe how bad the situation is. And the worst thing is that it is only the beginning.I can`t understand how come that some of the people are still blinded by the government and despite the amount of evidence of how money are being thrown out the window, they still support the current president and prime minister.The people have been manipulated like puppets before the elections and during the last 5 or 6 years, and were told that the opposing candidates are tools of the communists, but the puppeteer,the current president, was also an agent of the communist security in the 80`s. He surrounded himself with a bunch of morons and managed to destroy the economy completely. An example of this is how 13 billions of euro were spend in the last 5 years for the road infrastructure and yet, only 100 km of highway were constructed and about 800 km of roads were repaired.That`s all... for only 13 billions euros.A real bargain.. right? All the money were stolen by the powers that run this country using fake contracts and fake auctions to obtain contracts which never materialized into real things.And those 13 b euros is only an example.
Someday.. not too far into the future the powers will fail and the payback time will come.
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Well done people of Romania! I support u! peace
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I live in Romania and this protest is nothing in compare with what will be on 19 May! Yesterday on the streets was just the elders but on 19 May at least 50000 people will be on the streets to protest against this incapable governement. Traian Basescu and his protege Elena Udrea the minister of tourism and development will fall together with Emil "the midget" Boc the prime-minister, Adriean Videanu minister of economy, and the rest of the idiots. We need to do something for this country and this is the only way yoda

If the government doesn't cut spending the country will go bankrupt. So why aren't the people protesting against the bloated number of lazy government beaurocrats that is causing the debt? Get rid of them and everything is OK. The hardworkers should be attacking government workers.
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Cause they are to busy working and loosing everything they worked for to all the greed here.
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Retirees called for the resignation of President Traian Basescu who last week announced a plan of austerity measures, including pension cuts and salary cuts in the public sector, to avoid raising main taxes.

Romania has about 1.4 million state employees and about 5.5 million retirees.

Similar protests were staged by thousands of other retirees across the country's major cities.

The International Monetary Fund said it recommended a series of "balanced" measures to lower Romania's growing budget deficit, but the authorities in Bucharest decided to rely almost entirely on public spending cuts.

Recession-hit Romania, which is relying on a EURO 20 billion IMF-led loan, has pledged to drastically cut public spending and reign in this year's budget deficit to 6.8% of GDP. Cuts include a 25% reduction of public sector salaries and 15% of pensions, unemployment and other social benefits, as well as massive subsidy cuts.

Romania's first quarter gross domestic product shrank by 0.3% in real terms compared with the earlier quarter, a flash estimate of the National Statistics Institute showed Wednesday, which means the country is still in recession.

Unions have threatened Greek-style protests over the austerity plan and an ample protest of about 40,000 people will take place in Bucharest next week, on May 19, and teachers are set to go on full-blown strike as of May 31, boycotting national tests and threatening to freeze the school year.

About 1,000 retirees ended a protest outside the presidential palace in Bucharest, two hours later than planned and after brief scuffles with security forces.

In Iasi 500 students protested against the new education law.This education law will ban students from the university council,taxes will triple,campus taxes will also triple,scholarships will go down 50% and many more absurd measures.



And you thought that Greece was raped! AH!

i dont see this news reported anywhere

this news it's TOTAL bsflag bsflag bsflag



Man.. the news about romania was in the news at 14.30 TG3
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la TV l'ho buttata in discarica da un anno che tu ci creda o no ....mi sono rotto i coglioni delle stronzate che sparano 24 ore su 24
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I`m from Romania and I can`t believe how bad the situation is. And the worst thing is that it is only the beginning.I can`t understand how come that some of the people are still blinded by the government and despite the amount of evidence of how money are being thrown out the window, they still support the current president and prime minister.The people have been manipulated like puppets before the elections and during the last 5 or 6 years, and were told that the opposing candidates are tools of the communists, but the puppeteer,the current president, was also an agent of the communist security in the 80`s. He surrounded himself with a bunch of morons and managed to destroy the economy completely. An example of this is how 13 billions of euro were spend in the last 5 years for the road infrastructure and yet, only 100 km of highway were constructed and about 800 km of roads were repaired.That`s all... for only 13 billions euros.A real bargain.. right? All the money were stolen by the powers that run this country using fake contracts and fake auctions to obtain contracts which never materialized into real things.And those 13 b euros is only an example.
Someday.. not too far into the future the powers will fail and the payback time will come.
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You can do to the present government what you did to Chaushesku!
JUST DO IT!
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video of the Romania protests here

[link to www.euronews.net]

article here
[link to www.balkaninsight.com]

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Yesterday it was the pensioners protests in Bucharest and in other cities:

Thread: Romanian PENSIONERS try to STORM Presidential Palace

Not many though.

On May 19 the unions will bring out 40,000 people in Bucharest and they've called on all people opposing the Government to join them.

Just this evening the President warned the opposition politicians to stop inciting the people to violence. This could turn ugly.

And it's just the beginning because the measures were only announced they didn't kick in. When they do it's going to be bad. Mostly for the poor pensioners.
Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani
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Greece wasn't raped! They sat back with their hands out and were all too happy to collect their money while it was there. Now it's not there, but they turn violent. They are fools....sad, sad fools!

God I pray this doesn't happen to us!


It has happened. The US is bankrupt. Americans don't yet know it 'cause they are far stupider than any other population in the world. It will become evident even to them soon though.
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The US IS BANKRUPT but we're not STUPID. The correct word to use is APATHETIC. Americans wont wake up until they're too f#cked to ignore the problem any longer. THEN some sh$t's gonna go down....

P>S When I say F$CKED I MEAN IN YOUR FACE ROYALLY F$CKED.

There have also been many who fight back... but they're efforts are ignored/blacked out and the numbers/efforts are too small in scale to accomplish anything BIG ... which is what needs to happen.

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