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BREAKING: Bill To Raise Oil Spill Liability Cap BLOCKED! Another Dumb Alaska Woman

 
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It is NOT Ex Post Facto wrt to the oil that gets spewed out AFTER the bill is passed.

Obviously the oil industry lobbied hard for their very very low damages cap ... and got what their lobbying money paid for (shoving the risks and costs onto the local residents and taxpayers at large).

"Corner Cutting" appears to be a BIG ISSUE with this entire blow out .... but that is normal business behavior by virtually all large businesses operating in the US.

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Just reading the bullshit in this thread makes me hope the ENTIRE GULF and way beyond are ruined because of this "accident" and that all of you suffer greatly over it. EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU. And that bitch in Alaska too. ALL HUMANS WILL SUFFER OVER THIS OIL SPILL.
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... laugh ... this "oil spill" ... is MANIPULATION ... BIG TIME! ...
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... that "money" issue is a just a BIG SCAM!!!! ...
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... laugh ... only sheep would be so willingly MANIPULATED! ...
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read 'em and weep, you pussies.

Isaiah 3:11-13 (King James Version)

11Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.

12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

13The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.
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You are all full of shit. There is a principle involved here. You can't go and retro-actively change a law just to soak someone for more money after the fact. You don't buy a car for $15k and then have some bureaucrat come in 6 months later and tell you that the actual price is going to be $20k. If the government wanted a bigger cap, they should have acted on it beforehand.

You ladies need to pull your panties out of your cracks and start thinking with your brains.


We're just not talking about a car here but the fact that the neglect of safety by these oil companies destroy our environment, economy and lives.


>>The analogy remains correct no matter how you try to engage people's emotions about the issue. Any law that is retroactive is unconstitutional. What part of that sentence do you not understand?


Unconstitutional? WTF? Our rights (We the people) are being taken away little by little every day behind our backs and behind closed doors and slid silently into a bill.
We are losing our rights, why the hell can't the oil companys lose theirs??? THEY are killing this planet faster than we the people.
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Because numnutz, we have a constitution...
If we can apply an unconstitutional, retroactive, ex post facto law, (ex post facto includes penalties, btw), then they can do that to you to.

For example:
If you owed taxes any way, and you are still making lots of money, then using the logic presented by some posters in this thread, they can decide you should have been paying more taxes all along and can slam you for what ever amount they deem appropriate to make sure you pay your fair share. Then they can go back as many years in applying those retroactive taxes as they see fit.

You'd be jumping for joy, right? Wrong! You would be like, “Wow! If I'd known the penalty for working hard was getting ravaged by the taxman, I would have just been a beach bum.”
See?

It's the same deal, it would be fundamentally unfair to change the terms for BP after the fact.

BTW: I'm a libtard by nature; I'm a constitutionalist by choice.
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It is NOT Ex Post Facto wrt to the oil that gets spewed out AFTER the bill is passed.

Obviously the oil industry lobbied hard for their very very low damages cap ... and got what their lobbying money paid for (shoving the risks and costs onto the local residents and taxpayers at large).

"Corner Cutting" appears to be a BIG ISSUE with this entire blow out .... but that is normal business behavior by virtually all large businesses operating in the US.





Just reading the bullshit in this thread makes me hope the ENTIRE GULF and way beyond are ruined because of this "accident" and that all of you suffer greatly over it. EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU. And that bitch in Alaska too. ALL HUMANS WILL SUFFER OVER THIS OIL SPILL.
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She should be investigated, #2 - She should be removed from that committee.

No elected official should have that much power as one person, a bill that is designed to protect the environment is shot down because of one f-in so called paid off elected rep.

There is nothing that can be done to hold BP accountable, no one will dare approach this, if so watch all contributions be stopped cold.

But with annual profits in the billions for these oil companies, they should be held accountable for any future spills. !00% of any and all cost, if they don't then all imported products will be taxed to make up any and all cost.

But no they would rather put the screws to the consumer, with 100% backing of all governments. Hey how about throwing some of those stock options my way, you knows the ones that your board receives every year, worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Well I hope by the time you finish raping the US, your share value decreases to the point of having to use each share for a section of toilet paper.
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It is NOT Ex Post Facto wrt to the oil that gets spewed out AFTER the bill is passed.

Obviously the oil industry lobbied hard for their very very low damages cap ... and got what their lobbying money paid for (shoving the risks and costs onto the local residents and taxpayers at large).

"Corner Cutting" appears to be a BIG ISSUE with this entire blow out .... but that is normal business behavior by virtually all large businesses operating in the US.





Just reading the bullshit in this thread makes me hope the ENTIRE GULF and way beyond are ruined because of this "accident" and that all of you suffer greatly over it. EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU. And that bitch in Alaska too. ALL HUMANS WILL SUFFER OVER THIS OIL SPILL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526155



Not many will suffer if the government just gets out of the way. Remember, this is unrefined oil. Thousands of gallons are naturally leaking into the ocean off the coast of southern California. The environmentalists wouldn't let the oil companies capture it because it would "disturb the environment". Huh? WTF?

So, where is that doom? No, the environment simply adjusts. Oh, sure, it will kill stuff and mess stuff up for a while, but, bacteria and ocean life see raw oil as a type of manure. Manure is toxic at first but then starts to break down.

Now, if that 5 inch pipe was spewing REFINED oil, it will be 1000x as bad. Its still, bad, but only temporary. The hype is designed to push legislative agendas. Don't fall for it. Make BP clean up the mess as much as possible and the move on. People of today don't understand the environment any more than they understand legalities and law. The ignorance of a population make them easily manipulated so then the corrupt can tap into the labors of the ignorant masses, using extracted value to accomplish both power and riches for themselves.

Oh, sorry, that sentence was more than 10 words long. Did I exceed anyone's input queue capacity?
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Murkowski, a drilling supporter, has received almost $300,000 in campaign contributions from the oil and gas industry.

Read more: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]


Here lies the problem. As long as those in power as being fed money from the oil and gas industry, nothing will change.

Murkowski has been bought and paid for.
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There you go. It is as simple as that. She is owned and does the bidding of those that bought and paid for her. Had she voted for the bill, her campaign contributions would have dried up or she would have received one hell of a spanking from her masters.

One only has to look at the various campaign contributions of each member of congress to see what bills they each will support or vote against. Just follow the money and you will find the source of the horrible stink.......its a pile of shit in that land of OZ, known as Washington DC.
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This is what you get when you have a generation raised by chickenshit liberals that think like school girls. Can't think with your brains anymore. Everything is feeeeelings. I feeeeel that BP ought to be punished, therefore I will impose the punishment that I feeeeeeel is right, even though it is not legal. My feeeeeelings trump the rule of law. If I feeeeel differently tomorrow, I will base another decision on those feeeeelings.

PATHETIC!
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LOL ! Yep, why is it that libs can't see the difference between legal and illegal? Immigration is a prime example and it is a contagion into every issue.
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The US Constitution Amendment II also says something about THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Yet, somehow, I don't see prisoners with guns.

Somehow it's legal to forbid crazy people the ownership of guns.

Somehow a man who has committed a crime, non-gun related, is not allowed to own a gun....

Somehow, minors are not allowed to own guns.

Somehow, you must get a background check to own a gun.



You motherfuckers are amazing.

How is it you have no problem breaking the constitution when it comes down to an individual's right, in the name of common sense, but when AN INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION SHITS ON AMERICA, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS TELL ME ABOUT THE GOD DAMNED CONSTITUTION.

FUCK YOU!
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LOL ! Yep, why is it that libs can't see the difference between legal and illegal? Immigration is a prime example and it is a contagion into every issue.
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Morans like you would probably argue about "legal/ illegal" while drowning in crude oil and still defending corporations making billions and billions off of you.
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what a fucking cunt
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The existing cap WAS alot of money at the time of the Exxon Valdez spill. It was the federal government's responsibility to update the cap and they didn't address it. The failure is theirs and, as usually, we will all have to pay for their incompetence. Sound familiar?

Instead of immediately pointing fingers of blame, how about they work WITH BP to solve the problem instead of publicly attacking them for short term political gain.

Better yet, how about just considering the oil "undocumented petroleum" and letting it flow right into our tap water unimpeded.
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If Americans cared this bitch from Alaska would be getting pay back for what she did.

The truth is America does care more about money. People who don't live on the gulf don't care.

It's ok tho. They will care big time soon. hiding
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You are all full of shit. There is a principle involved here. You can't go and retro-actively change a law just to soak someone for more money after the fact. You don't buy a car for $15k and then have some bureaucrat come in 6 months later and tell you that the actual price is going to be $20k. If the government wanted a bigger cap, they should have acted on it beforehand.

You ladies need to pull your panties out of your cracks and start thinking with your brains.


>>Retroactive laws are unconstitutional. I believe the term used is post facto, though somebody may be better with off the cuff latin than I.

5a

The term you are referring to is EX POST FACTO. In effect this means one cannot pass laws which reach back in time to for example criminalize an act which when done was purely legal. I doubt that the current discussion really has much if anything to do with this. There was a law on the books establishing a cap. They simply are now talking about adjusting that cap UP. Since the Gulf incident is ongoing there really is no ex post facto consideration here.


>>The Gulf incident happened BEFORE any talk of raising the cap happened. To raise the cap after the fact is the very definition of an EX post facto law.
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A large "exception" to the ex post facto prohibition can be found in administrative law, as federal agencies may apply their rules retroactively if Congress has authorized them to do so. Retroactive application is disfavored by the courts for a number of reasons, but Congress may grant agencies this authority through express statutory provision. Furthermore, when an agency engages in adjudication, it may apply its own policy goals and interpretation of statutes retroactively, even if it has not formally promulgated a rule on a subject
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Those are all separate issues, which were addressed in the lease agreement between BP & the U.S. Government.
[link to www.wtop.com]
"Kenneth Baer, spokesman for the Office of Management and Budget, also noted that if BP were found to have acted negligently in the spill or to have violated federal laws, the damages cap under the Oil Pollution Act would be lifted."

See it's already in the terms and applicable under existing law.

So rather than use their brains and address these issues in comportment with the U.S. Constitution, they would rather violate it. All they have to do is address this in reference to the future and apply existing law and terms of the agreement properly.
It takes no genius!

Look this entire thing is about the principle of the rule of law. If we can change terms on BP, then nothing will stop them from changing our laws to penalize citizens arbitrarily, after the fact. If they can do this to BP, then they can do this to us. Then again, maybe that is what they are after.
 Quoting: PrincessBride

Rather than mess with the ex post facto clause, this is their proper route:
Thread: *******They drilled without proper permits!!!***********

The only reason to mess with that particular clause is to unconstitutionally broaden government power and reach into our lives.
You see, if they succeed and BP cannot maneuver out of their ploy, then there would be no hope for any of us to beat it either.
That is why I take this position here. I don't like what happened in the Gulf either.
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If Americans cared this bitch from Alaska would be getting pay back for what she did.

The truth is America does care more about money. People who don't live on the gulf don't care.

It's ok tho. They will care big time soon. hiding
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That's right. It's not about following the law. It's about our feeeeelings.
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You are all full of shit. There is a principle involved here. You can't go and retro-actively change a law just to soak someone for more money after the fact. You don't buy a car for $15k and then have some bureaucrat come in 6 months later and tell you that the actual price is going to be $20k. If the government wanted a bigger cap, they should have acted on it beforehand.

You ladies need to pull your panties out of your cracks and start thinking with your brains.


We're just not talking about a car here but the fact that the neglect of safety by these oil companies destroy our environment, economy and lives.


>>The analogy remains correct no matter how you try to engage people's emotions about the issue. Any law that is retroactive is unconstitutional. What part of that sentence do you not understand?


Unconstitutional? WTF? Our rights (We the people) are being taken away little by little every day behind our backs and behind closed doors and slid silently into a bill.
We are losing our rights, why the hell can't the oil companys lose theirs??? THEY are killing this planet faster than we the people.


Because numnutz, we have a constitution...
If we can apply an unconstitutional, retroactive, ex post facto law, (ex post facto includes penalties, btw), then they can do that to you to.

For example:
If you owed taxes any way, and you are still making lots of money, then using the logic presented by some posters in this thread, they can decide you should have been paying more taxes all along and can slam you for what ever amount they deem appropriate to make sure you pay your fair share. Then they can go back as many years in applying those retroactive taxes as they see fit.

You'd be jumping for joy, right? Wrong! You would be like, “Wow! If I'd known the penalty for working hard was getting ravaged by the taxman, I would have just been a beach bum.”
See?

It's the same deal, it would be fundamentally unfair to change the terms for BP after the fact.

BTW: I'm a libtard by nature; I'm a constitutionalist by choice.
 Quoting: PrincessBride

5a

Oh,OH Princess what do you do with this one then. You owe back taxes and the IRS has the right to assess penalties and interest correct. Lets assume they assess a 10% penalty for non payment. Lets further assume that the interest rate is 15% at the time of the infraction. You agree to repay the amount owed with interest (remember it is 15%) at the time of the agreement. You take 5 years to repay and during that time the interest rate rises step by step to 25% your argument is that the IRS cannot raise the % to you each time there is a change. I don't think so.
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When did Republicans get control of the Senate?

Wow! How'd I miss that?
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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BTW: I'm a libtard by nature; I'm a constitutionalist by choice.
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You say that, as if they were mutually exclusive.

If people understood liberal (the actual term, not the definition of the political liberals of our times who are not liberals at all, they are governmental preogressives) they would realize that liberal or conservative can be opposed to or in concert with the constitution. IT IS THE WAY THEY ARE APPLIED that makes EITHER liberal or conservative oppose the constitution.

These terms have all been so muddied that only a few of us really understand them.
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It is NOT Ex Post Facto wrt to the oil that gets spewed out AFTER the bill is passed.

Obviously the oil industry lobbied hard for their very very low damages cap ... and got what their lobbying money paid for (shoving the risks and costs onto the local residents and taxpayers at large).

"Corner Cutting" appears to be a BIG ISSUE with this entire blow out .... but that is normal business behavior by virtually all large businesses operating in the US.





Just reading the bullshit in this thread makes me hope the ENTIRE GULF and way beyond are ruined because of this "accident" and that all of you suffer greatly over it. EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU. And that bitch in Alaska too. ALL HUMANS WILL SUFFER OVER THIS OIL SPILL.
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Thank you for your kind wishes.

We who live in these Gulf states will also remember those.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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thanks to the Republicans we now have a system where BANKS get bailed out but fisherman and working people ruined by this WILL NOT
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LOL ! Yep, why is it that libs can't see the difference between legal and illegal? Immigration is a prime example and it is a contagion into every issue.


Morans like you would probably argue about "legal/ illegal" while drowning in crude oil and still defending corporations making billions and billions off of you.
 Quoting: Democritus

If you had a job, how would you have got there today? Auto I would guess. Used fuel, I would guess. Paid at the pump, paid the tax, rolled in on tires made with oil, talked on your petrolium based phone to your boy freind, listened to you CD, put on your (way to cool for you) sun glasses, drinking your water out of a plastic bottle, and then bitch, gripe, moan, groan, and complain about oil companies. You gave them your bucks to do as they please and expect a different result.
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Maybe not so dumb as much as CORRUPT!!!!!!
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bump
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There are state/federal courts that also address these kinds of loss. The State of Alabama won a huge case a few years back over one of the major oil companies cheating us out of money from off shore drilling.

Don't recall which one but am sure a Google would uncover it. And we did this all without FEDERAL interference. Imagine that.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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If you get into a car drunk and speed to the local 7-11 before they close so you can buy your daily scratch ticket, and you kill someone on the way, are you let off because it was AN ACCIDENT?
BP and the other companies responsible all ignored warnings and failed tests (a functioning blowout protector wasn't even installed, it was a test device) in their rush to production. They are exempt from any cap on accident liability. The cap was a crime in the 1st place, sold by an administration (Bush) bending backwards to please their oil company friends.
But BP etc weren't the only culpable party. We let them do this to maintain our destructive lifestyle.
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thanks to the Republicans we now have a system where BANKS get bailed out but fisherman and working people ruined by this WILL NOT
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Republicans are progressive lite and fascism heavy.

Democrats are fascism lite and progressive heavy.

Put them together you have max fascism and max progressivism. We have to change their thinking or we will lose this country. The (D) and the (R) are not the enemies, its the thinking of the people that inhabit nearly all of the offices. Their anti-libertarian stance only subjugates the population and server to convince us to give up our rights.

The fact is they cannot "take" our rights. They can only convince us to give them up. Then they use precedent (or case law) or further convince us.

Don't fall for it!
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The US Constitution Amendment II also says something about THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Yet, somehow, I don't see prisoners with guns.

Somehow it's legal to forbid crazy people the ownership of guns.

Somehow a man who has committed a crime, non-gun related, is not allowed to own a gun....

Somehow, minors are not allowed to own guns.

Somehow, you must get a background check to own a gun.



You motherfuckers are amazing.

How is it you have no problem breaking the constitution when it comes down to an individual's right, in the name of common sense, but when AN INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION SHITS ON AMERICA, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS TELL ME ABOUT THE GOD DAMNED CONSTITUTION.

FUCK YOU!
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I'm not done yet.

2001-2009 these same rightwing retards were telling us how we need to shit on the constitution and start torturing people. Industrial scale torture of prisoners.


AMENDMENT 8. NOR CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT INFLICTED.

You motherfuckers had no problem shitting on the constitution when it came to torturing brown muslims....

No fucking problem.


You don't give a shit about the rule of law, you don't give a shit about the US constitution, you are worried about if your team wins in November.

I wonder why your "only US citizens have rights" argument doesn't apply to BEYOND PETROLEUM. Somehow BP, a non-US citizen is protected by the US constitution.


FUCK YOU.
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If you get into a car drunk and speed to the local 7-11 before they close so you can buy your daily scratch ticket, and you kill someone on the way, are you let off because it was AN ACCIDENT?
BP and the other companies responsible all ignored warnings and failed tests (a functioning blowout protector wasn't even installed, it was a test device) in their rush to production. They are exempt from any cap on accident liability. The cap was a crime in the 1st place, sold by an administration (Bush) bending backwards to please their oil company friends.
But BP etc weren't the only culpable party. We let them do this to maintain our destructive lifestyle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553712


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05/14/2010 01:43 PM
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Re: BREAKING: Bill To Raise Oil Spill Liability Cap BLOCKED! Another Dumb Alaska Woman
When did Republicans get control of the Senate?

Wow! How'd I miss that?
 Quoting: Bluebird

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They didn't BB but Cloture requires 60 votes to prevent a filibuster. I think the OP was simply calling attention to CM's vote.

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