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The BP Deep water horizon, Macondo Well Blowout. and what we are facing in the Gulf.

 
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"These are not relief wells nomatter what the article called them"

i think you are a little green son.
go back to lease handing til you learn whats what.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 970802

A relief well is drilled in an attempt to relieve pressure by intersecting the damaged well. The pressure is too high to attempt this technique. The only solution with available technology is the one that will be used. They wont risk tapping into this again and trying to tame it, what youre talking about is believing BP at face value. The injection of material into the well below the BOP to plug it up would require overcoming the pressure of the well, and there is no way to create the pressure neccessary, so that was BS.
Theyre going to have to do exactly what I said in order to stop this blowout. Tapping into the damaged well is inviting an even more spectacular disaster.
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the fact they are drilling two shows the confidence level for success!
fingers crossed on this because it could be a lot worse than what it looks.
i notice that the cement was deemed unsatisfactory by halliburton.
if it starts coming up outside the casing- well it is game over practically.
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I just want to say, SHR, thank you.

Well written (no pun intended,) well explained, and I believe a necessary wake-up call for the vast majority who understand neither the terminology being used by media and other sources, nor the implications of this situation.

Thank you for your hard work and effort.

You are welcome...I hope people do learn from it...;)
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How do SHR. Wow! What a read. Connects all the dots in a concise clear way. Your writing style is excellent (and has improved immeasurably since the Norway Spiral thread! I must say). Your ability to describe the technical aspects in a spatially and imaginative way, makes it very easy for me to picture. Talk about dire! It seems like a sci-fi disaster movie - nothing of this world. But it is of this world and you arent just submitting script to a producer. I have only been involved in the issue for a couple of days but I feel it sucking me in deeper and deeper until it consumes every waking thought. lol Thanks alot!

What can I say? Where to begin? I leave the technical critique to the pros, and read with anticipation. My own participation in a thread with "Driller" had me convinced of his analysis. He had an ominous gloomy side to the disaster that I didnt dwell on too much (now with your post I see what he was holding back). But he did mention an optimistic scenario that you havent mentioned so I'll spit it out if he hasnt already:

He talked of a natural time limit, when pressures equalize, called the "self arrest" when the pressure from below will match the pressure from above. At 38,000 psi gushing out currently, he said that has been halved since the blow out and at that rate it should reach this arrest point in 50 days or so. Have you or anyone else heard of this as a normal occurance with blow outs? And if so why didnt it happen with IXTOC 1?

I'll leave it there (for now) and thanks again for the excellent research and analyses....
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well my crystal ball broke a long time ago :-)
but-
many wells have bown out over the past 100 years, and relief wells mostly seem to be the last resort with some chance of success.

some just don't get brought under control, and nature takes it's course.
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which is why the SIZE of the field is important.
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I dont understand how anyone could be confused enough to think hydrates would form inside the well under pressure an extreme temperatures. SRH seems to have accumulated alot of knowledge about the SOME of the details of deep sea drilling, but he's not an expert and he has a ways to go before he can put it all together where it makes sense in his own mind. The speculation that is going on here is more fear momgering than trying to come up with a real solution. I think if we put as much time into trying to come up with a solution as we did crying about the situation, it would already be solved.

Go home, Driller. Nobody thinks you are cool.
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Of course you don't because I am not a doomtard and I know what Im talking about. Amonst people who are doomtards and who don't have any idea what theyre talking about,this is very seldom appreciated or recognized.
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Andromeda Strain is on my mind.
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"A relief well is drilled in an attempt to relieve pressure by intersecting the damaged well. "


well when that slug of mud hits the original bore that well will be killed.

calculate annular volume and hydrostatic pressure and you will see that well wil be killed.

if they can hit the original hole that is.

and if it is not a relief well then what do YOU call it?

maybe they are upgrading the nomenclature since i got off my last trip.
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05/15/2010 12:37 AM
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The reason it is a mistake to boom off the beaches is that it keeps the oil floating on the water, preventing evaporation.

The sand would absorb the oil and the sand could be scrubbed onsite and redeposited.

It is a mistake to protect the beaches. This event will have longer reaching consequences if the gulf remains covered in this water tight film of petroleum
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05/15/2010 12:38 AM
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I just want to say, SHR, thank you.

Well written (no pun intended,) well explained, and I believe a necessary wake-up call for the vast majority who understand neither the terminology being used by media and other sources, nor the implications of this situation.

Thank you for your hard work and effort.

You are welcome...I hope people do learn from it...;)


How do SHR. Wow! What a read. Connects all the dots in a concise clear way. Your writing style is excellent (and has improved immeasurably since the Norway Spiral thread! I must say). Your ability to describe the technical aspects in a spatially and imaginative way, makes it very easy for me to picture. Talk about dire! It seems like a sci-fi disaster movie - nothing of this world. But it is of this world and you arent just submitting script to a producer. I have only been involved in the issue for a couple of days but I feel it sucking me in deeper and deeper until it consumes every waking thought. lol Thanks alot!

What can I say? Where to begin? I leave the technical critique to the pros, and read with anticipation. My own participation in a thread with "Driller" had me convinced of his analysis. He had an ominous gloomy side to the disaster that I didnt dwell on too much (now with your post I see what he was holding back). But he did mention an optimistic scenario that you havent mentioned so I'll spit it out if he hasnt already:

He talked of a natural time limit, when pressures equalize, called the "self arrest" when the pressure from below will match the pressure from above. At 38,000 psi gushing out currently, he said that has been halved since the blow out and at that rate it should reach this arrest point in 50 days or so. Have you or anyone else heard of this as a normal occurance with blow outs? And if so why didnt it happen with IXTOC 1?

I'll leave it there (for now) and thanks again for the excellent research and analyses....
 Quoting: ABO

ALmost evrything he worte besides his own idea to attach another bop on top of the old one came from what I wrote here in various threads, all of it
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05/15/2010 12:39 AM
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I'm not clear why some of you have just been so assholey to this Driller person. Maybe he knows what he's talking about. Anyone here in the oil business?
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Of course you don't because I am not a doomtard
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05/15/2010 12:40 AM
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Kevin?
i thought you do weather?
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"A relief well is drilled in an attempt to relieve pressure by intersecting the damaged well. "


well when that slug of mud hits the original bore that well will be killed.

calculate annular volume and hydrostatic pressure and you will see that well wil be killed.

if they can hit the original hole that is.

and if it is not a relief well then what do YOU call it?

maybe they are upgrading the nomenclature since i got off my last trip.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 970802

You have no idea what youre talking about and have learned everything you know about drilling in the past 15 days, which is apparently very little.
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My biggest question is when will russia nuke it since we are sticking our head up our asses
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This post is nothing more than a very wordy regugitation of all of the bullshit that has been spewed by the bullshitters in charge of straight bullshit.

There is no fucking BOP attached to anything. There is no riser attached to anything. There is a fucking well spewing oil full bore. That is all there ever has been. There is a crater in the seabed where all that shit used to be and a well spewing. The explosion too place deep inside the earth and blew all that shit to kingdom come. Not only did it blow that shit away but it blew hole in a pipe which was next to it that was coming from another well. Everyone in the know knows that. The people who know went to incredible lengths to bullshit everyone that there was shit they were doing and could do to fix this, but here isn't. There never was. The only thing that could work is the two relief wells. But it too them 9 months to fix Ixtoc and it was in 150 feet of water. So don't count on it. That's the truth and it really isn't too hard to understand.
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Went to some pains to bury this post, didn't you?
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Driller, what makes you have knowledge about any of this?
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I'm not clear why some of you have just been so assholey to this Driller person. Maybe he knows what he's talking about. Anyone here in the oil business?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916958

I tell you this, there are those here who are making jackasses of themselves pretending they know whats going on..This well is producing pressures in excess of anything encountered before. Its scaring the shit out of them. And they arent telling you whats really going on, think about it.
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The important question is how much oil is under the leak.

...

Remaining proved reserves
Oil 2,203
Gas 3,401

Unproved reserves
Oil 651
Gas 1,935

[link to www.gomr.mms.gov]


That would be in 30 proved fields and 10 unproved fields in 2005.
(2,203+651)/(30+10)=71.35 million barrels per field average
2203/30=73.43

2006 figures: [link to www.gomr.mms.gov] Table 1
2175 million barrels proved oil reserves
3166 cubic feet proved gas
563 unproved oil
1936 unproved gas
40 proved fields
10 unproved fields
32.24 - 54.375 million per barrels per field average

[link to news.yahoo.com]
BP has not said how much oil is beneath the Gulf seabed Deepwater Horizon was tapping, but a company official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the volume of reserves, confirmed reports that it was tens of millions of barrels — a frightening prospect to many.

"tens of millions" = 10-99 million

If it IS "tens of millions", then it cannot become the biggest oil disaster in history.
[link to www.foreignpolicy.com]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

If it is billions of barrels, then things look a lot worse.
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Hmmm...thanks for the 2006 more up to date doc..I assume we don't know just how much could be in this one field...whether it could be above or below the average....is there any chance these "Fields" do interrconnect?...or is that something that doesn't happen.
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The reason it is a mistake to boom off the beaches is that it keeps the oil floating on the water, preventing evaporation.

The sand would absorb the oil and the sand could be scrubbed onsite and redeposited.

It is a mistake to protect the beaches. This event will have longer reaching consequences if the gulf remains covered in this water tight film of petroleum
 Quoting: Freethinker

/me smacks head

Well, that makes perfect sense!

I can tell you, though...selling that to the people here in Florida that live on and make their livings on the beaches would be less than easy.
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This post is nothing more than a very wordy regugitation of all of the bullshit that has been spewed by the bullshitters in charge of straight bullshit.

There is no fucking BOP attached to anything. There is no riser attached to anything. There is a fucking well spewing oil full bore. That is all there ever has been. There is a crater in the seabed where all that shit used to be and a well spewing. The explosion too place deep inside the earth and blew all that shit to kingdom come. Not only did it blow that shit away but it blew hole in a pipe which was next to it that was coming from another well. Everyone in the know knows that. The people who know went to incredible lengths to bullshit everyone that there was shit they were doing and could do to fix this, but here isn't. There never was. The only thing that could work is the two relief wells. But it too them 9 months to fix Ixtoc and it was in 150 feet of water. So don't count on it. That's the truth and it really isn't too hard to understand.



Went to some pains to bury this post, didn't you?
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It's not buried. It's in the damn thread.
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ok- so it doesn't have a name what they are doing.
so i will call it a relief well.

i first went offshore in 1977 and am 4th generation oilfield trash.
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well the pressure so be going down as more oil is coming out plus the wait of the ocean pushing down on it would have to be a lower pressure 90 days from now when the drill head gets close to the well so i say start drilling atleast have that as a option so its in play
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"A relief well is drilled in an attempt to relieve pressure by intersecting the damaged well. "


well when that slug of mud hits the original bore that well will be killed.

calculate annular volume and hydrostatic pressure and you will see that well wil be killed.

if they can hit the original hole that is.

and if it is not a relief well then what do YOU call it?

maybe they are upgrading the nomenclature since i got off my last trip.

You have no idea what youre talking about and have learned everything you know about drilling in the past 15 days, which is apparently very little.
 Quoting: Driller 970874

And I am just certain we have the fucking Michael Jordan of drilling with us here tonight in you, Driller. I've got my pair of Air Drillers pre-ordered already.
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Dispersants are good PR but like free thinker said, it would be better to let the crap wash ashore and clean it up ther.
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I assume we don't know just how much could be in this one field...whether it could be above or below the average....is there any chance these "Fields" do interrconnect?...or is that something that doesn't happen.
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No idea, sorry.
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"A relief well is drilled in an attempt to relieve pressure by intersecting the damaged well. "


well when that slug of mud hits the original bore that well will be killed.

calculate annular volume and hydrostatic pressure and you will see that well wil be killed.

if they can hit the original hole that is.

and if it is not a relief well then what do YOU call it?

maybe they are upgrading the nomenclature since i got off my last trip.

You have no idea what youre talking about and have learned everything you know about drilling in the past 15 days, which is apparently very little.

And I am just certain we have the fucking Michael Jordan of drilling with us here tonight in you, Driller. I've got my pair of Air Drillers pre-ordered already.
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they cant do much with the drill string in the hole.

that is why the rams won't work- too much lateral pressure.

hope the relief well works 1st time or it could go on literally for years.
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If it goes on for years it will be an extinction level event. If the ocean surfaces are choked with oil, the plankton dies, and 85% of earth's oxygen source dies...end of story.
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Driller - What is your experience? Are you in the oil & gas business?

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