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The BP Deep water horizon, Macondo Well Blowout. and what we are facing in the Gulf.

 
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"50,000lbs of mud"

ya i saw that and put it down to a mistake by teh reporter
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They're going to need a hell of a lot more than 50,000lbs of mud. 20#/gal mud=42gal per bbl=840# per bbl of mud. If the target rate is 40 barrels per minute we're talking about 33,600 pounds per minute thru a couple of 3" chokes. I would love to see it,BP said this mite take two days to work. Lets see, 16.8 tons per minute at that rate, 1008 tons per hour, 24192 tons per day. Yeoow looks like some serious mud mixing is taking place.
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You don't sound like you feel that it is realistic to achieve.
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"50,000lbs of mud"

ya i saw that and put it down to a mistake by teh reporter
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50,000 "Barrels".
I've see that in several places.
Mistake by whoever said it.
Does pressure on the bpcam appear to be decreasing to you?
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the pressure and velocity appear to be increasing- volume appears less.
and it seems to be producing more gas and less liquids.

this would be consistent with clogging the well head with junk
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"50,000lbs of mud"

ya i saw that and put it down to a mistake by teh reporter
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Could be. It must be hard to be all dressed up at 4 AM, reporting from BP. Pressure, and sleepy all at the same time. I wondered myself, but posted it anyway - my bad.
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hehe- anothe "explosion" as they reposition the rov.

"when in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout"

truly makes you wonder about democracy
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well i tried to shed a little light over there but it is like trying to explain calculus to a flock of turkeys in a thunderstorm.
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hehe- anothe "explosion" as they reposition the rov.

"when in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout"
truly makes you wonder about democracy
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LOL,
"doing the BOP, the oilcano bop
doing the BOP, the oilcano bop"

et dance

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well i tried to shed a little light over there but it is like trying to explain calculus to a flock of turkeys in a thunderstorm.
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That describes about 80% of humanity.

Sad to say they're all running around looking up, drowning in what they can't comprehend.
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Well...just kept a loose eye on the cam feed today and as of right now...it looks like they might just have it on the run....I do not understand the long time frame though...I really thought this was more of push down hard and attack sort process...once the mud took hold and was more or less an ALL mud mass near the start point...it was pump it down in a solid column, even if that was a slow creep...it'd be all mud in the back wash once it was going.... and the whole "Maybe it worked and we'll see"...seems they aren't going to create a true hydrostatic head?...maybe they can't and will have keep on pumping with a lessor pressure...also seems like they were expecting a lot of mixed flow for quite a while too.

Seems like it is reducing across the board and is most all mud now...still have fingers crossed though...lol!
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Seems like it is reducing across the board and is most all mud now...still have fingers crossed though...lol!
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I'm prayin it works as well.
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Seems like it is reducing across the board and is most all mud now...still have fingers crossed though...lol!

I'm prayin it works as well.
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Seems like it is reducing across the board and is most all mud now...still have fingers crossed though...lol!

I'm prayin it works as well.
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Well.....I'd be happier if we saw a much more marked reduction....it's been 12 hours...If they have been pumping at 65 barrels per/min...which is what some BP guys said on some show...then that would be 23,400 barrels in the last 6 hours....the first 6 they said thet went through 7,000 barrels....unless that 65bpm is just the higest rate...and the average is less...that's over 30k barrels....or a LOT...

It's really hard to tell just how much it moving out the leaks...it's defenetly varying though...just picked up now....

I guess well see soon enough...
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The two feeds showing the oil and gas eruptions are both offline. I could go all conspiracy about it, but will try to be patient. This may be a job for Mighty Putty.
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It must be very dangerous working over that stricken well as so much could go wrong at anytime.
What is the quality of air like out there now ?, are the workers wearing respirators ?
One graphic photo taken several days back showed the whole operation; Drill ship, two drill rigs, supply vessels the whole show in a single frame.
I studied this pic by blowing it up on IFRAN and could not see any sign of humans at all ?
Some live coverage topside would be reassuring.
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The two feeds showing the oil and gas eruptions are both offline. I could go all conspiracy about it, but will try to be patient. This may be a job for Mighty Putty.
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This ones still working T.U

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I just saw the local news, report on the oil-cano from the BP headquarters, on this side of town. They were panning around the 'war room' as they called it.
The computer screens were on, and as the camera panned, one of the puters had GLP up.

hehehe

They think they are seeing a good trend. Let's hope so, say a prayer to go along with SHR's crossed fingers.
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It appears the mud is getting blown back out as fast as it's getting injected. If this continues it will not be possible to get the required column to overcome the flow moving upward. They are running out of (relatively) sale methods of getting a hand on the problem. I'm afraid it's going to boil down to cutting of whatever is protruding from the top of the BOP. Either to add to/replace the non functioning stack or to re-enter the well. I don't know enough about coil tubing to know if that is a practical solution. What I am sure of is that the odds will be better if the weight mud is injected at a greater depth. The deeper the injection point, the greater the height of the mud column the greater the head of said column. I hope there is a tool hand on this thread, Any Baker hands out there? We could sure use your brain.
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When you're worried when you're troubled when your future is in doubt, I have found the thing to do is run in circles scream and shout, *uck it *uck it *uck it!
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It appears the mud is getting blown back out as fast as it's getting injected. If this continues it will not be possible to get the required column to overcome the flow moving upward. They are running out of (relatively) sale methods of getting a hand on the problem. I'm afraid it's going to boil down to cutting of whatever is protruding from the top of the BOP. Either to add to/replace the non functioning stack or to re-enter the well. I don't know enough about coil tubing to know if that is a practical solution. What I am sure of is that the odds will be better if the weight mud is injected at a greater depth. The deeper the injection point, the greater the height of the mud column the greater the head of said column. I hope there is a tool hand on this thread, Any Baker hands out there? We could sure use your brain.
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Hard to tell wtf is going on...according to a bunch of articles?...Allen said they fired "debris into the bop" already...so they did a junk shot...or not...who the fuck knows...

The original source is LA times...

Reporting from Houma, La. —Engineers have at least temporarily stopped the flow of oil and gas into the Gulf of Mexico from a gushing BP well, the federal government's top oil-spill commander, U.S. Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, said Thursday morning.

The "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and government engineers, had pumped enough drilling fluid to block oil and gas spewing from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well was very low, he said, but persisting. The top kill effort is not complete, officials caution.

Once engineers had reduced the well pressure to zero, they were to begin pumping cement into the hole to entomb the well. To help in that effort, he said, engineers also were pumping some debris into the blowout preventer at the top of the well.

As of early Thursday morning, neither government nor BP officials had declared the effort a success yet, pending the completion of the cementing and sealing of the well.

Allen said one ship that was pumping fluid into the well had run out of the fluid, or "mud," and that a second ship was on the way. He said he was encouraged by the progress.
"We'll get this under control," he said.


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The real blasting leaks from the riser kink looked more like str8 mud to me...maybe when they were really pushing hard at 65bpm...it's less now...but they have a tap in to vary that pressure with the pump system now....so who knows where the fuck they at...


I ain't too happy seeing as much gushing out as we seem to be though...pump forever is NOT going to work like you said....
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I just saw the local news, report on the oil-cano from the BP headquarters, on this side of town. They were panning around the 'war room' as they called it.
The computer screens were on, and as the camera panned, one of the puters had GLP up.

hehehe

They think they are seeing a good trend. Let's hope so, say a prayer to go along with SHR's crossed fingers.
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Well....I'm not liking the look of this so far...way too much flow to inject cement and I doubt it would do anything but get flushed out the back flow if they did...and I don't even think about how abrasive frikkin cement is...unless most by far of that back flush is all pump and not well?...I don't see where they are going with this...and if they did a junk shot?...it didn't do much of anything, it's still pretty pressurized and still blasting way more than I'd like to see by now...

Breaches in the riser pipe have definitely increased in size too and I'm not seeing any color difference being ALL camera or video contrast or whatever....it's panning around and there has got be more than one material coming out...and THAT is not good...

I still have hope they are ahead in the count, but I'm starting to lose faith in this being a success....
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Pardon my country girl logic, but it seems to me that the thing to have done from the start was cut the bent riser off. Then bring in a larger fitting to put over the hole, tighten it down, and funnel it up to tankers. But, maybe that's too obvious.
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You can't overcome a flowing 21" pipe with 2 3" pipes.

Here's the deal now. When the mud stops flowing, the flow of oil will be increased by some non-nominal percentage.
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Pardon my country girl logic, but it seems to me that the thing to have done from the start was cut the bent riser off. Then bring in a larger fitting to put over the hole, tighten it down, and funnel it up to tankers. But, maybe that's too obvious.
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Hey Tex. I have only followed this thread sporadically, but your logic is pretty good I think. The only hope is to re-bop the bop at the top flange. After it is in place, they can slowly close the many valves and regain control. This must be done quickly, because the old bop is getting weaker as time goes on. The bop wasn't designed to have continuous flow through it, and the flow is definitely turbulent, abrasive, scouring at the weakest parts of the shell. Keep in mind, the top of the bop is seeing much less pressure than the bottom of the bop. Those rams partially closed, setting up big pressure drops and very high velocity eddies, carrying formation sand.

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So far still no real specifics that would point to any progress. We have yet to hear what kind of pressure is in the riser and/or the production pipe. I realize that it is not possible to get things like final shut in pressures or accurate flow rates that are used to determine flow increasing or decreasing. Every time we see one of these political or pr hacks it is even more nauseating than the time before, because there in no new information. It's the same old bull, simply re-regurgitated by a different stuffed shirt. Is the weight mud flowing across the top of the fluid column and going out the riser holes? What is the pressure in the riser with the mud flow stopped? What is the pressure at the same point while pumping at 45bbm? What's the pressure at 65bpm? Are the openings in the riser eroding or staying the same? I imagine a sample bottle in the plume could tell us what the percentage of mud in the plume is. Are we seeing more gas, less gas, wtf. Evidently there is not a single reporter or elected official who can formulate a single pertinent question. Normally the effects of a kill with an overbalanced system are are not "over a day or two" normally it"s over an hour or two! Hell I'd rather see a briefing from a derrick hand or mud man with pipe dope under his or her fingernails than more dribble from another "spokesperson" reading a statement written by someone else.
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it looks like the choke and kill ports do not have sufficient diameter to balance the well.

next- riser removal and control package will go onto the BOP for another kill attempt
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it looks like the choke and kill ports do not have sufficient diameter to balance the well.

next- riser removal and control package will go onto the BOP for another kill attempt
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The top kill didn't work, is that it:(
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it looks like the choke and kill ports do not have sufficient diameter to balance the well.

next- riser removal and control package will go onto the BOP for another kill attempt
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They should have done that as soon as the rig fire was out and they could get in close. This was about screwing the sensitive coastal areas to create an industrial complex there. If you think about the huge fields down deep, they needed the ability to build more undersea infrastructure piped to a central location for processing close to the coast. They also needed to enlarge port facilities.

The original accident probably caused by negligence all the way around - meaning an
accident' would be assured at some point - was an opportunity to further industrialize the Gulf Coast at the expense of the food supply.

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from here on in the odds to control it should be getting better.

it appears to me that they will get more mud on site and try again soon.

at one point yesterday it looked like they introduced some type of junk as there was a lot of visible debris coming out of the plume followed by an immediate reduction in flow.

they said nothing to confirm this, and i think they are keeping a tight lid on operational details.

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