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Unbelievable! Pelosi Suggests To Aspiring Musicians "Quit Your Job, Taxpayers Will Cover Your Health Care"

 
dennis
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the fight between repubs and dems is a little proxy war,,,,
the BIG WAR is between CHRIST AND SATAN,

why is the political battles so crazy?
because this is Jihad, HOLY WAR for your god,
and existential war,
fight to the death,
bloodsport,
Christ has His martyrs,
satan has his martyrs,

I choose Christ,
many people have chosen satan

www.bible-codes.org

why is the PROMISED LAND so filled with bullets/bombs?
because it's the main battlefield between Christ and antichrist.

why are the Dems trying so hard to destroy the usa and Israel?
because the Christian nation, usa, and the Jewish nation, israel, are super-blessed by JESUS CHRIST,
and the dems will die trying to destroy Christ, and Christ-associated things

PRAISE GOD!
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the fight between repubs and dems is a little proxy war,,,,
the BIG WAR is between CHRIST AND SATAN,

why is the political battles so crazy?
because this is Jihad, HOLY WAR for your god,
and existential war,
fight to the death,
bloodsport,
Christ has His martyrs,
satan has his martyrs,

I choose Christ,
many people have chosen satan

www.bible-codes.org

why is the PROMISED LAND so filled with bullets/bombs?
because it's the main battlefield between Christ and antichrist.

why are the Dems trying so hard to destroy the usa and Israel?
because the Christian nation, usa, and the Jewish nation, israel, are super-blessed by JESUS CHRIST,
and the dems will die trying to destroy Christ, and Christ-associated things

PRAISE GOD!
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Re: Unbelievable! Pelosi Suggests To Aspiring Musicians "Quit Your Job, Taxpayers Will Cover Your Health Care"
Where in the health care bill does it say poor people receive free insurance paid by other taxpayers? I thought it required everyone to purchase their own insurance or face penalties? Has something changed that I'm unaware of or have I been misled?


Poor people DON'T receive free insurance. They are FORCED to buy it.



Well, you have to consider all the possibilities. She didn't exactly say you could remain jobless. She said you could quit your job and didn't have to be "Job-locked." Consider the following wikipedia page and consider the word "job-locked".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Maybe she meant you could roam around and not be locked into a 9-5 job, or you could find cheaper insurance, or you could get your own insurance now instead of waiting for a long time for your benefits to kick in. I'm just saying, there are other possibilities than living off the system, especially when you just told me there is no system to live off of.
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Okay, it seems my comments have been buried again. (Always happens on this site.) So let me try a different approach.

1. Was this portion of speech taken out of context? Why does it end so abruptly? Has anyone seen the speech? Did she clarify her statements at all? I'm not making accusations here, but this is a very widely-known method of changing the intent of someone's words.

2. Was this speech given to a group of artists or was it given to a general audience? If it was given only to artists, then this is a whole different set of circumstances.

3. She said they considered this an entrepreneurial bill. What is an entrepreneur?
entrepreneur: a person who organizes and manages any enterprise, esp. a business, usually with considerable initiative and risk.

If this is entrepreneurial, then did she really mean to quit your job and live in your mother's basement without making money? Or did she mean starting an enterprising business and purchasing your own insurance?

4. She said you could quit your job, that you would no longer be job-locked. What is job-locked? Please see Wikipedia or some other comprehensive source for a full description. Basically it means you are stuck in a particular job for reasons of benefits like health insurance.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Now my question to anyone with extensive knowledge of the Healthcare bill, which I certainly don't, is this. Are there any possible benefits to purchasing your own insurance for anyone starting their own business? Does it make it easier to quit your job and start your own business and still provide insurance for you and your family? Because I think that's what she may have meant here. I don't think she meant living off the taxpayers, because I think a lot of us are aware that this bill doesn't provide free coverage supported by other taxpayers. If she did mean that, then it looks like she certainly is misleading people and setting them up for a fall.

Also, from part 2 above, if this speech was presented to only artists, then it could mean that her statement apply to anyone looking to start their own business, and not just artists. She may have only said artists because she was speaking to artists.

Sorry for the long post.
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Yeah, I can relate but here is a Contrarian Devil-ed-Egg-AL Pacino-Advocate Point of View ...

... For 15 years from 1977 at age 22 on I stayed single & smoked weed while studying Classical&Rock Guitar and a PT Mountaineer/Outdoor Photographer and I rode a motorcycle all the time too ...

...All of which cost money and to top it off I worked Crapacious-Yobs with NO BENIFITS that would allow me the time to do all that.

AND I lived with fear in the back of my mind that if I made any mistakes or got smashed up that it would be ALL OVER with Massive Debt or Bankruptcy and Emergency Room partial care with a Fucked up for Life Existence and NO quality Pussy...

...didn't stop me from doing it all tho!
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And there I thought politician was the job for not working and getting everything stuffed up your ass
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
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She's bluffing to to try and sound cool.

For the very few who would ever believe her statement.

After that she's said this specifically for there to be animosity towards entrepreneurship.

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Re: Unbelievable! Pelosi Suggests To Aspiring Musicians "Quit Your Job, Taxpayers Will Cover Your Health Care"
Here Pelosi says that ObamaCare will create 4 million jobs. By her logic she means it will allow 4 million people who are now working to quit working and "focus on their talent."

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great first lady- best ever

reagen nightmare monster scarcrow woman?

'just say no"

oh- no drugs, no fun, - just join the army i think

Mrs Obama?

play some music- art is important and nicer then throwing people in jail all over the place

the evidence is clear- Mrs Obama- hero woman of our time
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'unbelievable lapse of responsibility' ?

your system does not support anything that the corporate machine structure does not need.

this includes art, artists.

if you want to be artist, you need to slaver away your life in low paid jobs until (and if) you can get a 'break'.

ironically, its also the same corporate machine that gives or does not give your 'break'.

therefore, millions of people who would have been artists and then start to be able to earn their money cannot do that.

.........

on the other hand, europe has such a social security net, and youth is not afraid of their futures, and instead, they can decide and study something they ACTUALLY WANT TO DO.

which tells volumes on why usa is lagging lightyeards behind europe in regard to art.

had it not been for hollywood and music cartels and their excessive promotion, even the shit that music industry peddles around the world for 'music' wouldnt be noticed by anyone.
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come on now people. Yall doing the dodo; you are taking her out of context. She was quite clear - you don't have to be JOB LOCKED!!! There is nothing wrong with switching jobs. In the old system, when you switched jobs you lost your benefits and had to start over. W/this system, that is no longer the case. Stop it people already!
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actually, there should be good unemployment pay too.

people shouldnt pick and work in jobs because they are desperate.

they should be doing what they want to do. willing person working in something that s/he has talent to do, is much more efficient and happy than anything else.

you dont try to force in a cog where it wont fit in a machine. but our system does. it forces people to fit in places they dont want.

results ... stress. psychological disorders. people going berserk. in-family issues. social alienation. and many more.
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I detest that socialist pig.
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I detest that socialist pig.
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yeah.

its much more 'free' to give 72% of entire nation's wealth output to 7% of the population, its much better for corporations to make $110 billion overseas and not pay a dime to anyone in taxes, its much better for the rest 80% of population to have to do with only 15% of income.

.........

there is freedom in forced serfdom yeah.
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'unbelievable lapse of responsibility' ?

your system does not support anything that the corporate machine structure does not need.
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Don't you support Obama? And thus the 'corporate machine structure'?
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In an unbelievable lapse of responsibility, Nancy Pelosi suggests aspiring musicians can quit their jobs now that Obamacare has passed. They can sign up for taxpayer subsidized health care. Never mind the negative affect paying all those taxes will have on the aspirations of Americans who actually work and pay taxes.

“We see it as a entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care.”



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It's unbelievable for sure.

Headline says 'quit your job' Pelosi said something entirely different.

Knee jerk circle jerk.
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there is freedom in forced serfdom yeah.
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Is that why you support forced serfdom?
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Don't you support Obama? And thus the 'corporate machine structure'?
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i dont support anyone. but i especially oppose corporate feudalism.

we are not in 18th century anymore. today corporations are as big and as powerful as countries themselves.

there is freedom in forced serfdom yeah.

Is that why you support forced serfdom?
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forced serfdom is being forced to work for a few hundred bucks for life in wal mart.

or, having to worry about what would happen to your little daughter if she gets sick and if you lose your job.

or, having to pick the job you are going to do for life, out of worry of your ass, out of worry of having to find food.

or, forced serfdom is having to go through dumpsters for food, should you happen to lose your job.

...........

even in medieval times it wasnt that bad actually.
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Ya know, I was talking to my hubby about the whole oil spill disaster (he's a huge skeptic by the way) and he surprised me when he said "This thing was sabotaged just so we can stop offshore drilling." I had to pull a double take on that one.


That is exactly what we have been saying around my house. This was their way to stop offshore drilling here. As for Pelosi..... what is unbelievable is that there are people that go along with her! I think people go along with this administration because they are afraid to be seen as racist! Obama's problem is not that he is black... he is just a lunatic.
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there is freedom in forced serfdom yeah.

Is that why you support forced serfdom?


forced serfdom is being forced to work for a few hundred bucks for life in wal mart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 929725


Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?
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WHY do you put PUKElosi on page one ?

I just had my breakfast, and it WILL be HARD to keep down now.
In the future, please use a LITTLE MORE discretion.
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Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?
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as in ?
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Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?


as in ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 929725


As in being forced to work 40%-50% out of a year without payment...

It's not a difficult question, is it?
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Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?


as in ?


As in being forced to work 40%-50% out of a year without payment...

It's not a difficult question, is it?
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ha,

youre that guy. the one that tries to link paying tax with slavery, extortion, fascism, 'violence against innocent civilians' and whatnot.

i see that your userid changed. got banned ? or changed the computer you are using ?

not only that, you are STILL trying the stupid tactic of 'baiting' people with irrelevant concepts, which later you try to link to taxes. instead of honestly, earnestly discussing and saying what you think.

...............

aaaanyway,

as always, i will reply to what you are trying to bait, but not straightforward enough to ask :

paying 50% of your income over a year is GOOD if you are getting back what you pay for.

basically,

if you wont need to worry over finding food, paying your mortgage, kid's college fees or future, your and your family's health during the time you are unemployed,

its good.

if, your society runs proper social programs with it, rehabilitating the problematic, giving out good education, regulating the unbridled corporations so they cant fuck up like goldman sachs, bp did and get away with it,

it is good.

examples can be extended.

currently, in united states of america, a place which corporations are handed out the control of every aspect of life, with the prices under their collective control, and government not being able to do anything against it due to corporate lobbying pressure and fooled voters,

its not good. for, you need to get back social services for the money you are paying.

but, its your fault. you have been buying into the shit that is 'private is freedom'.
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Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?


as in ?


As in being forced to work 40%-50% out of a year without payment...

It's not a difficult question, is it?
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What difference does it make who I am?

Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?

I can see why someone who is pro-enforced serfdom might not be comfortable with such a question.
:)
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What difference does it make who I am?

Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?

I can see why someone who is pro-enforced serfdom might not be comfortable with such a question.
:)
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hahahahahahahahahahaahahah

youre him alright.

...........

as i told a few days ago, if you try to repeat the same thing over and over despite being properly answered, i was going to do the same to you by using the same method of repetition. here is your answer ;

"bullshit bullshit bullshit is bullshit pro bullshit"
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remember ...

EVERY DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN OR WOMAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISASTER

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If you actually believe this? Then you've been HAD. YOU are one of the sheeple too I'm sorry to inform you. But it is correctable. Dont keeping falling for the "shell-game". You're watching the shells...but not the object being hidden "itself".
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Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?


as in ?


As in being forced to work 40%-50% out of a year without payment...

It's not a difficult question, is it?


ha,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 929725


Or maybe this is a better way to put it?

How much does one have to work out of a year without payment before it comes forced serfdom?

10%?
50%?
75%?
etc.

Why do you have so much difficulty answering such simple questions?

Perhaps because such simple questions expose huge flaws in your thinking.
:)
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hahahahahahaha

and whats that 'pro'-enforced serfdom term you just made up ?

even communists do not come up with such shitty made up concepts and slogans these days.

"pro-enforced serfdom 2.0 - interactive live !"
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Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are just like the three stooges.
Obama is Moe, mean as hell.
Pelosi is Curly, dumb as hell.
And Reid is Larry, the boring one that no one cares about.
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What difference does it make who I am?

Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?

I can see why someone who is pro-enforced serfdom might not be comfortable with such a question.
:)


hahahahahahahahahahaahahah

youre him alright.

...........

as i told a few days ago, if you try to repeat the same thing over and over despite being properly answered, i was going to do the same to you by using the same method of repetition. here is your answer ;

"bullshit bullshit bullshit is bullshit pro bullshit"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 929725


So you cannot answer such a simple question?

Do you consider being forced to work 40%-50%+ out of a year for nothing forced serfdom?

Try this, then...

How much does one have to work out of a year without payment before it comes forced serfdom?

10%?
50%?
75%?
etc.

Why do you have so much difficulty answering such simple questions?

Perhaps because such simple questions expose huge flaws in your thinking.
:)

I am really not to blame that you have so much difficultly directly addressing very simple questions.

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