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Message Subject ZetaTalk LIVE Chat May 15
Poster Handle Menow
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Menow -

I well remember when the Edmonton Journal published their front-page headline about the North Pole leaving Canada for Siberia. We discussed it for hours at the cafe. I'm a bit shocked you are totally denying it. Not good form, sir!

I also wish to point out that, unlike those you accuse of not making marks to record the supposed anomalistic behavior of the Sun and Moon, I did. Unfortunately I didn't take a picture to post for your viewing pleasure, but here's exactly what I did and it did prove (though only to a slight degree) the claim that there is some kind of wobble at work.

We had a large kitchen window, facing due east, and a white tiled floor that I was able to mark with a black Sharpie. Each morning I took the marker and, at 9:40am, marked a corner "L" where the sunlight came in and shone on the floor. Then, at 10:05am, I marked where it had moved to. Then I connected the two points. I did this for at least 2 weeks straight, long enough to determine if there was any anomalistic behavior. If one does that for every day of the year, one can define an analemma on the floor with a series of parallel lines, but suffice to say, this is what happened: once every several days, the line was NOT parallel, and this was indeed very clear. Usually the beginning points (at 9:45am) were often equidistant, but the endpoints (at 10:05am) were more often than not sharply out of whack with each other, which to me was a definitive proof of a wobble.

Lately, it has been more the behavior of my cats that's indicated the wobble is still alive and well; they like to bask in sunbeams in the morning, and they've been scratching at the venetian blinds in other rooms than the master bedroom (which faces south and usually has the best beams for basking) to get their sunbeams from. At first it was an irritant, having to go 'round to the other rooms to open the blinds high enough, but the "ah-hah!" moment dawned on me later.

Pity I didn't snap a picture of my kitchen floor back when I did this. These days I can't replicate it because I don't have a large enough tiled floor and window that faces enough sun to mark accordingly, but other readers might want to do this - and take a permanent picture record just to show you.

Regards. And no, I'm not interested in going to the debunker thread either. I'm not really interested in whether you believe or disbelieve what I have to say, but I do think it's worth saying anyway.
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I have to give one more comment on this. It's always the same with these claims. There is the claim of large anomolies, like that the Sun is coming in a different window; is setting way far away from where it should... in other words, a discrepancy of MANY degrees. Then, you look more closely, but with questionable measuring methods like marks on the floor, but not being precise about the time, and find possible SMALL discrepancies. Then you claim that that the two are related and support each other. WRONG. Those two bits of alleged 'evidence' do NOT support each other. They contradict each other, but you just throw it on the pile of "gee... something is wrong..." innuendo.
 
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