British UFO Hacker Gary Mckinnon: What did He Find at NASA?

Gary McKinnon: 'They can't return me to a place I wasn't in'

The British hacker gives an exclusive interview by email about his fight against extradition to the US

By Rachel Shields


Accused of "the biggest military hack of all time", Gary McKinnon could be the most dangerous hacker in the world. Facing charges of hacking into 97 US military and Nasa computers and banned from using the internet in 2005, the 44-year-old will never touch a computer again if the US military has its way.

In less than two weeks a judicial review will consider whether McKinnon, who has Asperger's syndrome, is too unwell to cope with the trial and possible imprisonment. His lawyers are lobbying Theresa May, the new Home Secretary, asking her to save him from extradition.

Here, in his own words via email – with the help of his mother, Janis Sharp – McKinnon gives IoS readers an insight into how he feels after a four-year legal battle to stay out of the hands of the US authorities.

How are you feeling about the upcoming judicial review?

Nervous. Especially as the judge has been changed from Justice Mitting who sounded like a fair man, to two other judges, one of whom previously worked for the Treasury.

How do you spend your time?

In a state of constant stress. It's impossible to be motivated or to plan anything. Constantly wishing I could get out of my own skin.

What concerns you most?

Being alone in another country with a different culture and no family or friends near you or able to visit you is a terrifying prospect. Being dragged from my own home and country to a place I've never been in is terrifying in itself and is against the rules of our Magna Carta, which states that British citizens have a right to be tried by a jury of their peers. My peers are in the UK and this is where I should be tried. Look up the extreme conditions in those prisons and at what the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) say about those prisons and tell me that you wouldn't be terrified.

What do you want to say to the judges deciding your case?

Cyberspace doesn't exist any more than never-never land. I was no more in America than anyone who is on a long-distance telephone call. The fiction of cyberspace should be properly tested in a British court because it is no more real than Santa Claus. They cannot "return" me to a country I wasn't in, yet they continually refer in court to "returning me". If I was being returned to the place where my crime was committed, I would be returned to Crouch End. I am not a fugitive, I was physically in North London and have remained in North London.

Don't you think you should be punished for what you did?

I have been punished much more than I would have been had I committed a heinous crime. It's impossible to explain what eight years of heightened, constant stress does to you. I have lost eight years of my life and my parents have lost eight years of their lives. We live with this 24 hours a day and can barely think of anything else and it's impossible to plan anything or to feel happy when you know what might lie ahead.

So, what punishment would be appropriate?

A punishment proportionate to the crime and consistent with other accused hackers in the UK, including those accused of hacking into the Pentagon. As Robert Gates from the Pentagon said: 300 people a day still infiltrate Nasa and US military computers. There have been no other extradition requests from the US for any other hackers in the world, including a Romanian hacker who hacked into the Pentagon and was sentenced to eight months in Romania, and an Israeli hacker who hacked into the Pentagon and was not even given a sentence and no extradition request.

What were you looking for at Nasa?

Suppressed evidence of reverse engineered UFO technology, free energy that would help to stop climate change and would help to stop old age pensioners from dying of cold... and also evidence of anti-gravity.

What did you find?

A space fleet and an impressive UFO and a total lack of Nasa and military internet security, which I found truly shocking which is why I alerted them via cyber notes.

How do you feel about the internet now?

I was arrested in March 2002 and was allowed to remain on the internet until June 2005, which shows that my presence on the internet was not considered any risk whatsoever. Only after the US requested my extradition several years later once the UK was using the one-sided extradition treaty where no evidence was required to extradite any UK citizen was I told not to use the internet.

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

he totz found some good shit. He did alert them to easy breaches. IDK why the gov is in such a tizzy....

To make an example out of him and scare off any curious folk from peeking behind the curtain... cuz if we saw what lay behind it, the world would be completely different than it is now... probably for the better.

To bring the full force and power of the US Legal system down on this one hacker for a minor breach of their own lousy security - and exposing what any half-awake person has observed and guessed for years, if FUCKING ABSURD!

The Black Budget money should have damned well yielded something to benefit the people who've paid for it for so long - I.E.: the US tax payers! The lies and cover stories have gone on for so long and are so much a part of the Military Industrial Complex (yes, the same one that President Eisenhower warned us about in 1954) that they don't know how to stop lying and admit that they've developed some major items.

How did they manage this feat?

Think about it.

The same Jet aircraft technology that was introduced for commercial flights in 1953 when my grandma and I flew from London to New York City and I was so young that I have photos of that flight and I was wearing PJ's with feet in them, so I could sleep en route'. The fact that the flight only took six hours vs the usual 11 or 12 hours in a turbo-prop seemed like a miracle then.) However, that technology from 1953 is the same basic technology and same basic aircraft design that we are still flying some fifty odd years later in commercial aviation. Oh I'll grant you the jet engines are better, they use less fuel per mile, and they go a little faster. But other than that, it's still pretty much the same. Minor improvements for fifty odd years, don't you think? Have you ever wondered WHY in all those years, we aren't doing the whole aviation thing better, cheaper, faster? Why do planes today still look almost exactly like planes from 1953? Why are the engines still almost the same? Onboard TV, now onboard internet, and lousy food, and mediocre service, but with those minor exceptions, nothing much has really changed. OH, and it still takes about 6 hours to fly from London to New York City.

Now the truth is that the unsupervised and unaccounted for money the Pentagon gets without supervision or accountability from Congress is about 1.3 billion dollars per year. (That's on top of their "White budget" for running the armed services, etc. - by the way.) And they've been dipping into the coffers for this or larger amounts since the late 1950's that we can doccument. And for all this cash, it would be madness to think that they HAD NOT DEVELOPED SOME MAJOR NEW PROPULSION SYSTEMS AND TYPES OF CRAFT. FIFTY YEARS WITH VIRTUALLY UNLIMITED MONEY AND THE BEST SCIENTISTS ON EARTH AT YOUR DISPOSAL? I THINK DOING BETTER THAN 1950'S TECH FOR A JET IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE EXPECTATION!

Frankly, the military officers in charge of this money and it's use had damned well better come up with some fairly fantastic results for these untold billions in unaccounted-for dollars flowing in to their discretionary spending for over fifty years, and if they cannot, they collectively should be charged with theft and fraud and treason, and then shot!

Garry McKinnon has obviously stumbled on part of what they've done with these vast sums. And the incredibly greedy industrial partners don't want to release the tech for public benefit because it would change much of our existing world. Imagine, no more fighting to get oil out of the ground and screwing up the enviorenment in the process. No more burning fossil fuels for our cars or to heat our homes. And maybe we really do have colonies on Mars already - and maybe the moon, too. Well it's about time that we opened up exploration of space to the citizens of this country and gave them a choice to benefit from the money we've shelled out for fifty years now!

So what if it changes our society! How bad can free energy for everyone really be? OH the power companies are going to be taking down high tension lines and melting the towers and cable down for other uses. The oil industry is going to be out of business in fairly short order except to manufacture lubricants as needed for the machines that produce the energy. And their stock holders are going to want to be paid something for their interests that have now been rendered largely useless.

As for going to the stars?? If indeed we can, then open up programs to allow our citizens to settle new worlds if they choose to do so! Such an opportunity might be the best thing we could possibly do for our world! And certainly over population would cease to be a consideration! Hell, America might, just might have some sense of pride again and something to, as a nation, believe in and look forward to!

In 1492, Columbus sailed to the New World. Maybe by 2012 our people can once again start settling new worlds. Apparently we're fairly adept at it!

But above all, stop this harassment of Gary McKinnon. He may have forced the hand of the black budget bastards, and they don't like it of course. But we, as tax paying citizens may well owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude for what he's been able to finally expose. Instead of being prosecuted, the man deserves a medal for bravery and courage!!

He found NOTHING. Otherwise he WOULD have published it.

Space fleet my arse.

yes he found fuck all

He confused a video from SG1 some nasa worker was watching for the real thing.

If he saw that shit and got found, he would be dead...period

Why is it so hard to believe he might have actually saw something... why the fuck would the government be coming down so hard on him spending a shit-ton of money trying to extradite him. Because he saw "fuck-all" ???? Right.

You know WHY they have to persecute him?
Because the real criminal, Microsoft, cant be touched.
They sold blank password computers to the DoD and NASA, they should be sued and arrested.
So they have to persecute him as a scape goat.

Not necessarily, what makes you think he saved anything... he was probably freaked out, I would be.

Besides anyone with half a brain knows there is a secret space program... so this is not that much of a shock, just further possible affirmation.

Apparently he "hacked" these computers using that Windows desktop assistant app.

Nah they had blank passwords he didn't NEED to hack them this is why they are using him as a scape goat.
Because if they went after the real criminal which is Microsoft it would open up a Pandoras box.

If they were locked up with a password protected administrator account like they should have been he couldn't have installed anything on them.
All the money they say they had to spend to fix them was needed before he did anything.

Either that or the American government isn't the one with the space fleet and they want to know where the hell Gary went.

He found something, just not what he thought he found. It's for this reason he has not been snuffed and the Yanks want him to see if he saw what he shouldn't have, a nice little debriefing before a quick pass round with some bull dykes in the state prison and a nasty accident involving a razor, a major artery and a ball gag. I feel for this chap, I really do and am ashamed of the British government for their lack of concern or loyalty, remember this the next time they ask you to support one of their little illegal ventures.

If a beginner hacker made his way in and found evidence like this someone else would have found it and put it online already. Wikileaks?

That's not why, im telling you thats not why if he seen ufo's they would just deny it that doesn't bother them.
He is persecuted as part of a corporate agenda.
If they didn't blame him for the 500k to fix the pc's and make them secure they would have to blame Microsoft.
The operating system they paid for with tax payers money was installed unsecured.
Any corporate or government computers must be locked with an admin password only the techs know.
These pc's had remote registry turned on and had blank admin passwords.

It's time for team Cameron and Clegg to end this madness and tell the yanks to fuck off and die.

All the guy found was a "honey-pot" in other words, they baited a trap for hackers, and this "hacker" "hacked" right into it, if anyone believes that the real secret stuff, if indeed there is something like a list of "extra-terestial officers" (not counting astronauts offcourse)or the details on new forms of energy on shodily protected computers, they might want to contact some Nigerians about several inheretances.

The guy found nothing, if he had he would be in some supersecret club Gitmo being waterboarded and going through the equivalent of a special forces training program untill he breaks.

of course he found nutting..

but the glory glory halelusa prop fetishists

found a new Toy for their endless

us-wonderland propaganda..

we are the biggest, the best,

As a former "hacker", me and my buddies would have leaked that kind of stuff.

I know if I was going to jail for life, I'd re-hack them and give the information to EVERYONE. I would download all of their top secret documents and just throw them on thepiratebay, send to Noory, Alex Jones, everyone possible.

He didn't really hack into anything... he stumbled across some blank passwords and was able to access certain files.

He says it himself he is an amateur hacker at best, why would he make up such a bullshit story if it was just going to discredit him??? Maybe because he is telling the truth???

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