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Israel to Europe: Stop your citizens from sailing to Gaza with aid

 
Grizzled Old Goat

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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.
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<sound of tumbleweeds>
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paranoid, rascist zionists will stop at nothing
to PEVENT Palestinians from extending their roots
DEEPER into THEIR OWN HOMELAND!
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 Quoting: Sapientia

lol

Is that a joke?


Stone throwing is NOT the same as 500 pound bombs..
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And stops killing

500

READ IT

500 CHILDREN.


So, I gather you think that Hamas rockets aren't designed and intended to kill Israeli children?


The truth is such a bore isn't it?
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


No, they are intended to kill you.

And only you.

Pity they cannot reach that far.
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hitler live on .in israel .


Hamas Principles

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.

The "Zionists" and the freemasons and others are blamed for what Hamas and radical Islamists see as the major calamities of the world, especially the French Revolution.

One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this Hadith:

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

The implication is clear: Allah promised that the Jews will be murdered, and the Hamas "aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take."

[link to www.mideastweb.org]
 Quoting: me777


Didn't bother some:

Israeli Roots of Hamas Are Being Exposed
by Dean Andromidas

Speaking in Jerusalem Dec. 20, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer made the connection between the growth of the Islamic fundamentalist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and Israel's promotion of the Islamic movement as a counter to the Palestinian nationalist movement. Kurtzer's comments come very close to EIR's own presentation of the evidence of Israel's instrumental role in establishing Hamas, and its ongoing control of that organization.

[...]

The ambassador's comments are an acknowledgment of what any serious Middle East observers knows: Hamas has always been seen as a tool by which Israel could undermine the nationalist movement led by Palestinian Authority President and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Chairman Yasser Arafat. Similar statements by Arafat have been dismissed by Israel as "cranky" propaganda. In an interview with the Dec. 11 Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Arafat said, "We are doing everything to stop the violence. But Hamas is a creature of Israel which at the time of Prime Minister [Yitzhak] Shamir [the late 1980s, when Hamas arose], gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques. Even [former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin ended up admitting it, when I charged him with it, in the presence of [Egpytian President Hosni] Mubarak."

To the Italian daily L'Espresso, Arafat laid out the reasons for this support. "Hamas was constituted with the support of Israel. The aim was to create an organization antagonistic to the PLO. They received financing and training from Israel. They have continued to benefit from permits and authorizations, while we have been limited, even to build a tomato factory. Rabin himself defined it as a fatal error. Some collaborationists of Israel are involved in these [terror] attacks,"...
[link to www.larouchepub.com]

America’s Hidden Role in Hamas’s Rise to Power

No one in the mainstream media or government is willing to acknowledge America’s sordid role interfering in Palestinian politics.

Editor’s note: In the U.S., the claim that the actions of Hamas forced Israel to launch a massive assault on the impoverished population of Gaza is almost universally accepted. But, as scholar Stephen Zunes explains below, the picture of Hamas as an organization of wide-eyed radicalism without electoral legitimacy or the support of a significant portion of the Palestinian population is simplistic. In this important piece, Zunes examines the ways in which Israeli and American policy-makers encouraged the rise of the conservative religious group Hamas in an effort to marginalize secular and leftist elements within the Occupied Territories.

The United States bears much of the blame for the ongoing bloodshed in the Gaza Strip and nearby parts of Israel. Indeed, were it not for misguided Israeli and American policies, Hamas would not be in control of the territory in the first place.

Israel initially encouraged the rise of the Palestinian Islamist movement as a counter to the Palestine Liberation Organization, the secular coalition composed of Fatah and various leftist and other nationalist movements. Beginning in the early 1980s, with generous funding from the U.S.-backed family dictatorship in Saudi Arabia, the antecedents of Hamas began to emerge through the establishment of schools, health care clinics, social service organizations and other entities that stressed an ultraconservative interpretation of Islam, which up to that point had not been very common among the Palestinian population. The hope was that if people spent more time praying in mosques, they would be less prone to enlist in left-wing nationalist movements challenging the Israeli occupation.

While supporters of the secular PLO were denied their own media or right to hold political gatherings, the Israeli occupation authorities allowed radical Islamic groups to hold rallies, publish uncensored newspapers and even have their own radio station. For example, in the occupied Palestinian city of Gaza in 1981, Israeli soldiers — who had shown no hesitation in brutally suppressing peaceful pro-PLO demonstrations — stood by when a group of Islamic extremists attacked and burned a PLO-affiliated health clinic in Gaza for offering family-planning services for women... [link to pakalert.wordpress.com]
TXGal4Truth

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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.
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Good question.
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Is that a joke?

Stone throwing is NOT the same as 500 pound bombs..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


you're absolutely right. 500 pound bombs can kill an awful lot of people while stones thrown at armored soldiers mainly cause injuries or no physical damage at all.
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No, they are intended to kill you.

And only you.

Pity they cannot reach that far.
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Do not start making death threats.
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TXGal4Truth

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And stops killing

500

READ IT

500 CHILDREN.


So, I gather you think that Hamas rockets aren't designed and intended to kill Israeli children?


The truth is such a bore isn't it?



OMG....how awful. You justify the killing of 500 innocent little kids because of Hamas?


HAMAS is responsible for those deaths, you hopeless rube. What the f*ck does Hamas have to gain by lobbing rockets at Israeli towns? I'll tell you what they gain, they force Israel to respond, and then hide behind their women and children - it makes for GREAT propaganda to influence dumbasses like you, and they might even hit an Israeli school or something. Apparently, you think that's Ok, which makes YOu a f**cking monster..


GROW UP!


Yup, using their women and children as human shields. I remember that.


It's a fact..


 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


They are their OWN worst enemy.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

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I see your applause and I raise you....

clappa

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Call.

lolsign
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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.

Good question.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


putin

most stupid question ever actually.

they didn't have to declare any statehood because they were living side by side with jews / semitic people in those territorities.

now if a minority then comes and all of a sudden declares statehood on your back and pushes you out of the land that belongs to you as a muslim / arab as much as it belongs to the minority of jewish settlers...

well THAT'S another story......

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But it's ok when they do it to their own people, yes? You remind me of someone who was on here before. Hmm, what was her name? Oh yes SpiralLight I believe.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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When Hamas quits lobbing rockets into southern Israel, they can have some aid.

You're welcome.
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Oops, we forgot...people in prison don't deserve aid. Isn't that how it works?
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Who's the one with the agenda?


everyone on glp has a subliminal agenda by simply following what they think is right. it doesn't work in any other way. my agenda is clear and i make no big deal about it either. i am openly trying to shift ppl's attention away from a worldwide onslaught against muslims & islam as a religion and instead make them focus on the real problems in this world right now. i am tired of having to put up with a post 9/11 society that propagates wars & hatred against a newly defined victim and doesn't acknowledge the real perpetrators behind 9/11. hell everything on this forum should be about 9/11 and 9/11 only because it seems like people are still more comfortable to live in a bubble rather than to start questioning what really happened that day and why it happened in the first place. what you call radical islam and terrorism are measures that are used by your own government against yourself in order to make you live in an environment of fear and justify a series of global events that have unfolded before us and that are about to unfold in the very near future. am i justifying radical islam by doing so? no. what gives me reason to defend a group of people that are demonized for the sole purpose of being able to fight them? 1.200.000(+) dead iraqi civilians and those that may follow... countless american / british / german / italian / polish / french soldiers and afghan civilians... families in the pakistani border regions that were completely annihilated by predator drones within weeks... and all the victims of radical islam and al qaeda terrorism around the world. (< 5K) (an invention brought to you since the cold war by the Central Intelligence Agency)
 Quoting: Mujahid

okay numbnuts americans if you actually want to learn something you should actually try to listen to mujahid or ef or alli babba. he's right. your little brains have been twisted and you do not even know a basic concept called "REALITY". its a tough one for peabrains. and i can certify that muja is as religious as me. as NIL NOT NEVER! we do care about people and the truth though.
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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.

Good question.


putin

most stupid question ever actually.

they didn't have to declare any statehood because they were living side by side with jews / semitic people in those territorities.

now if a minority then comes and all of a sudden declares statehood on your back and pushes you out of the land that belongs to you as a muslim / arab as much as it belongs to the minority of jewish settlers...

well THAT'S another story......
 Quoting: Mujahid


The land that belongs to the "made-up" Palestinians? Silly.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.

Good question.


putin

most stupid question ever actually.

they didn't have to declare any statehood because they were living side by side with jews / semitic people in those territorities.

now if a minority then comes and all of a sudden declares statehood on your back and pushes you out of the land that belongs to you as a muslim / arab as much as it belongs to the minority of jewish settlers...

well THAT'S another story......
 Quoting: Mujahid

Nobody pushed them out. They left at the urging of the multiple Arab states that assured them that all the Jews would be killed and they could return shortly.
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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.


<sound of tumbleweeds>
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


Because they were free and living in peace up until the point the Brits took over and gave the land away that was not theirs to give?

Hmm. Dunno. I am an Anti-Zionist and just answered that question.

You fail Mr. Ziokini Shillunimous...

Epically so.
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something like the "made up" jews, hmm? nitwit
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Buddha

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something like the "made up" jews, hmm? nitwit
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lol.
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But it's ok when they do it to their own people, yes? You remind me of someone who was on here before. Hmm, what was her name? Oh yes SpiralLight I believe.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth

oops2

OMG you're right!


How could I not see it?
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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.

Good question.


putin

most stupid question ever actually.

they didn't have to declare any statehood because they were living side by side with jews / semitic people in those territorities.

now if a minority then comes and all of a sudden declares statehood on your back and pushes you out of the land that belongs to you as a muslim / arab as much as it belongs to the minority of jewish settlers...

well THAT'S another story......

Nobody pushed them out. They left at the urging of the multiple Arab states that assured them that all the Jews would be killed and they could return shortly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973653


True, but then - where Israel is concerned, the truth is such a bore..
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What is sooooo transparent, is the pro-israel group here insists there was never a palestinian.

They aren't a real people, therefore it is ok to slaughter them and take the land.

Yet, at the same time, they squeal and squawk that israel has a right to exist.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

~KrishnaMurti
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"The lie tastes sweet at the beginning, but bitter at the end.

The truth tastes bitter at the beginning, but sweet at the end."

Buddha

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laugh

Nobody pushed them out. They left at the urging of the multiple Arab states that assured them that all the Jews would be killed and they could return shortly.
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Really now - get in touch with reality more often.

It´ll do you good.

Here is your prize:

bsflag
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something like the "made up" jews, hmm? nitwit
 Quoting: Sapientia

hi

Hi spinhead light!


I'd say it's nice to see you, but I'd be lying..
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But it's ok when they do it to their own people, yes? You remind me of someone who was on here before. Hmm, what was her name? Oh yes SpiralLight I believe.

oops2

OMG you're right!


How could I not see it?
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


ohyeah
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something like the "made up" jews, hmm? nitwit

hi

Hi spinhead light!


I'd say it's nice to see you, but I'd be lying..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat



WTF are you two talking about now?
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"The lie tastes sweet at the beginning, but bitter at the end.

The truth tastes bitter at the beginning, but sweet at the end."

Buddha

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What is sooooo transparent, is the pro-israel group here insists there was never a palestinian.

They aren't a real people, therefore it is ok to slaughter them and take the land.

Yet, at the same time, they squeal and squawk that israel has a right to exist.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.
 Quoting: Sapientia


Go back through this thread and please point out to me where I said it was ok to kill ANYONE.

Looks like you're gonna be in for a real big surprise sweety.
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Why did the "Palestinians" never demand their own state when Egypt and Syria controlled the territories?

"Anti-Zionists" never answer that question.


<sound of tumbleweeds>


Because they were free and living in peace up until the point the Brits took over and gave the land away that was not theirs to give?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 971256


lol

Did you ever hear of a little thing called world war 2? The Arabs backed ol' Uncle Adolph - and lost. Blame the Mufti!
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What is sooooo transparent, is the pro-israel group here insists there was never a palestinian.

They aren't a real people, therefore it is ok to slaughter them and take the land.

Yet, at the same time, they squeal and squawk that israel has a right to exist.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.
 Quoting: Sapientia


All that under the protective blanket of their Holocaust.

Gotta admire them for that. Noone can do or say anything about Israel or their tactics now without being called an anti-semite.

Brilliant plan - wish I had thought of that.

But the ice under their feet is getting thinner and thinner.

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