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Macro Spin Levels and the Relativistic Universe Model

 
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Macro Spin Levels and the Relativistic Universe Model
[link to www.blazelabs.com]

In the following paragraph, we will see that on earth (were most experiments are done), no object is really at rest, and that the relativistic mass has to be considered even for a steel ball sitting motionless on a table. The only thing which is in fact at rest in the whole (closed) universe is its boundary, or its reference frame beyond which no matter can exist.

How fast is Earth going

For us who live on this planet, it looks as if our planet is stationary. In fact, a long time ago, it was believed that the sun and stars all revolved around the fixed earth, and that the earth was at the centre of the universe. We now know, that our Earth is just a tiny planet residing in a huge universe containing multiple galaxies of thousands of solar systems.

We know that our planet spins on its axis at one cycle every day. The solar system in turn, spins at one cycle every year. We normally refer to solar system spin as planet orbit motion, but in fact even the sun is known to be spinning, so it is more correct to call it solar system spin. Our whole solar system is thus spinning on its own axis while orbiting around our Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy (not the Milky Way galaxy) at one cycle every approximately 226 million years, and it's highly probable that other galaxies spin around as well, and this hierarchy goes on for five levels. All this happens within a closed fixed frame universe. So, saying that something is at rest means only that it is traveling at the same velocity as the observer and not at rest in relation to the universe frame of reference. So, your PC, your desk, your room are all traveling through space at the same speed as you are, and the velocity at which you are traveling right now is far greater than you would ever expect.

The table below shows the currently accepted velocities for the known universe.

•How fast is the Earth spinning? 0.46 km/sec
•How fast is the Solar system spinning? 30 km/sec
•How fast is the Galaxy spinning? 250 km/sec
•How fast is our super cluster spinning? 627 km/sec
•How fast is the CMBR frame spinning? Assumed at rest


So, when all these velocities happen to line up, we will have an absolute velocity of 907.46 km/sec or 0.3% the speed of light when 'stationary'!
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Macro Spin Levels

This great attractor is assumed by most, to be fixed in space that it can be taken as the fixed reference in the universe. As you see in my universe hierarchy diagram, and as highly debated within astronomers and scientists, we lack much data and knowledge to assume such thing, and the great attractor is probably orbiting around, with other great attractors around the real fixed centre of the universe. For the pre-eliminary calculations we shall abide to the conventional idea that the great attractor is fixed, and start from Spin level 4 which is the orbital velocity of the galaxy about the great attractor.
[link to www.blazelabs.com]


Macro Spin Level 2

Now let's consider level 2, the orbital spin of the earth and other planets around the sun. Actually it's not the planets that are spinning around the sun, but the entire solar system, including the sun is rotating on its own axis. In astronomy, the "ecliptic plane" is by definition, the 2D plane in space defined by the sun at its centre, and by the orbit of the earth, as shown below. The 12 zodiac constellations are all on the ecliptic plane. Let us assume that an observer outside our solar system is observing the motion from a fixed point in space on the same plane as the ecliptic plane. If he could measure the velocities of the sun and earth, he would note that the sun is moving at a constant 250 kps around the centre of the galaxy, but he would also note that the earth is not moving at a constant velocity.
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Macro Spin Level 1

We know a lot of data on this level. The tangential velocity of spin level 1, can be easily calculated knowing the radius of earth and the time it takes for one complete spin (one sidereal day).

Calculation of mass variation for Macro Spin Level 1

Equatorial Earth's diameter : 12757km
Time for complete spin about its axis: 23hrs 56mins 4sec = 86164 seconds
Equatorial perimeter = Pi * 12757 = 40077.29km
Tangential velocity = 40077.29/86164 = 0.465 km/sec or kps
Earth's orbital velocity around the sun (spin level 2) is known to be 30kps.

[link to www.blazelabs.com]


Modern astronomy will agree with this model up to the Sagittarius A level. Beyond this hierarchy level, no one knows anything, even if most researchers would agree that they cannot exclude the possibility of the existence of higher hierarchy levels and that the highest known level could in fact be rotating about some yet unknown centre of the universe.
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so we rotate around the sun which rotates around something that rotates round somethingelse which rotates round the center of the galaxy? yes?
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we are all going the speed of light. light is standing still.
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5 stars just for work put in, Sicksent
It is the Thunderbolt that steers the Universe
- Heraclitus
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so we rotate around the sun which rotates around something that rotates round somethingelse which rotates round the center of the galaxy? yes?
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Yes. And the speeds add up per rotation...angular momentum...

We are not stationary, as we all can logical guess nowadays. The question is, What is Everything moving relative to? Answer: Cosmic Backround Radiation
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we are all going the speed of light. light is standing still.
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You are not quite there yet...
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we are all going the speed of light. light is standing still.


You are not quite there yet...
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...WE are standing still...in other words, we appear to be stationary standing here on Earth...The Sun appears to be stationary and the Earth revolves around it...Keep going out in the Macro Spin Levels...Sun - Solar System - Galaxy - Super Cluster - and Cosmic Backround Radiation (CMBR - THAT is the one that is stationary!)
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If all the Macro Spin Levels are spinning the same direction, then you add up all the speeds per Spin Level...If ony of the Levels are spinning in the other direction, subtract the velocity...

Once you get this, I'm going to throw a HUGE surprise into the mix...
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If all the Macro Spin Levels are spinning the same direction, then you add up all the speeds per Spin Level...If ony of the Levels are spinning in the other direction, subtract the velocity...

Once you get this, I'm going to throw a HUGE surprise into the mix...
 Quoting: Sickscent


You see, how in this model, all of them are spinning in the same direction...?

But we know that within 12 hours the Earth's Spin level will be going against the others...right?

:univaaa:
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With all of them spinning, spiraling around, the chances that all of the align properly are pretty damn slim...
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Am I losing you guys...

Pretty pictures help? Here's Macro Level 2

:MSL2:
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[link to www.blazelabs.com]

In the following paragraph, we will see that on earth (were most experiments are done), no object is really at rest, and that the relativistic mass has to be considered even for a steel ball sitting motionless on a table. The only thing which is in fact at rest in the whole (closed) universe is its boundary, or its reference frame beyond which no matter can exist.

How fast is Earth going

For us who live on this planet, it looks as if our planet is stationary. In fact, a long time ago, it was believed that the sun and stars all revolved around the fixed earth, and that the earth was at the centre of the universe. We now know, that our Earth is just a tiny planet residing in a huge universe containing multiple galaxies of thousands of solar systems.

We know that our planet spins on its axis at one cycle every day. The solar system in turn, spins at one cycle every year. We normally refer to solar system spin as planet orbit motion, but in fact even the sun is known to be spinning, so it is more correct to call it solar system spin. Our whole solar system is thus spinning on its own axis while orbiting around our Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy (not the Milky Way galaxy) at one cycle every approximately 226 million years, and it's highly probable that other galaxies spin around as well, and this hierarchy goes on for five levels. All this happens within a closed fixed frame universe. So, saying that something is at rest means only that it is traveling at the same velocity as the observer and not at rest in relation to the universe frame of reference. So, your PC, your desk, your room are all traveling through space at the same speed as you are, and the velocity at which you are traveling right now is far greater than you would ever expect.

The table below shows the currently accepted velocities for the known universe.

•How fast is the Earth spinning? 0.46 km/sec
•How fast is the Solar system spinning? 30 km/sec
•How fast is the Galaxy spinning? 250 km/sec
•How fast is our super cluster spinning? 627 km/sec
•How fast is the CMBR frame spinning? Assumed at rest


So, when all these velocities happen to line up, we will have an absolute velocity of 907.46 km/sec or 0.3% the speed of light when 'stationary'!
 Quoting: Sickscent

You forgot to find out how fast our( milky way)galaxy is moving thru the universe(ya know, the big bang)
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We're assuming the CMBR is stationary, or are we assigning it stationary status for reference's sake?
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We're assuming the CMBR is stationary, or are we assigning it stationary status for reference's sake?
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Reference. It is the farthest out that we know of at this time. If there is another Macro Level beyond the CMBR, then we must add that spin velocity to the present values.

Good observation MCRock...
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Another pretty picture:

Macro Level 3
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[link to www.blazelabs.com]

In the following paragraph, we will see that on earth (were most experiments are done), no object is really at rest, and that the relativistic mass has to be considered even for a steel ball sitting motionless on a table. The only thing which is in fact at rest in the whole (closed) universe is its boundary, or its reference frame beyond which no matter can exist.

How fast is Earth going

For us who live on this planet, it looks as if our planet is stationary. In fact, a long time ago, it was believed that the sun and stars all revolved around the fixed earth, and that the earth was at the centre of the universe. We now know, that our Earth is just a tiny planet residing in a huge universe containing multiple galaxies of thousands of solar systems.

We know that our planet spins on its axis at one cycle every day. The solar system in turn, spins at one cycle every year. We normally refer to solar system spin as planet orbit motion, but in fact even the sun is known to be spinning, so it is more correct to call it solar system spin. Our whole solar system is thus spinning on its own axis while orbiting around our Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy (not the Milky Way galaxy) at one cycle every approximately 226 million years, and it's highly probable that other galaxies spin around as well, and this hierarchy goes on for five levels. All this happens within a closed fixed frame universe. So, saying that something is at rest means only that it is traveling at the same velocity as the observer and not at rest in relation to the universe frame of reference. So, your PC, your desk, your room are all traveling through space at the same speed as you are, and the velocity at which you are traveling right now is far greater than you would ever expect.

The table below shows the currently accepted velocities for the known universe.

•How fast is the Earth spinning? 0.46 km/sec
•How fast is the Solar system spinning? 30 km/sec
•How fast is the Galaxy spinning? 250 km/sec
•How fast is our super cluster spinning? 627 km/sec
•How fast is the CMBR frame spinning? Assumed at rest


So, when all these velocities happen to line up, we will have an absolute velocity of 907.46 km/sec or 0.3% the speed of light when 'stationary'!

You forgot to find out how fast our( milky way)galaxy is moving thru the universe(ya know, the big bang)
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Nope, its in there... •How fast is the Galaxy spinning? 250 km/sec
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You forgot to find out how fast our( milky way)galaxy is moving thru the universe(ya know, the big bang)
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The Big Bang doesn't work quite like that. It's not really about galaxies flying through space away from some ground zero point. The galaxies are distributed roughly evenly throughout all space, and it's the space between them which is expanding, actually being stretched out.

The Galaxy is in fact moving through space relative to the cosmic microwave background. In fact we're on a collision course with the neighbouring galaxy in Andromeda. Don't worry about doom just yet, though, we're due to meet in about five billion years.
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You forgot to find out how fast our( milky way)galaxy is moving thru the universe(ya know, the big bang)


The Big Bang doesn't work quite like that. It's not really about galaxies flying through space away from some ground zero point. The galaxies are distributed roughly evenly throughout all space, and it's the space between them which is expanding, actually being stretched out.

The Galaxy is in fact moving through space relative to the cosmic microwave background. In fact we're on a collision course with the neighbouring galaxy in Andromeda. Don't worry about doom just yet, though, we're due to meet in about five billion years.
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Thanks AC
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If there is another Macro Level beyond the CMBR, then we must add that spin velocity to the present values.
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The cosmic microwave background isn't really a set place that you can go 'beyond'. It's just the locus of points in the Universe at such a distance that light emitted at the epoch of recombination (about 300,000 years after the Big Bang IIRC) has only just arrived here. A function of time.

What you're actually measuring when you compare your motion to the CMBR is your motion relative to the microwave photon gas that fills the entire Universe.
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We're assuming the CMBR is stationary, or are we assigning it stationary status for reference's sake?
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Here you go MCRock, this is a detail of the Macro Levels:

We will call these spins 'Macro Spin Levels', with Macro Spin Level 1 being the earth's spin about its own axis, at a velocity of about 0.46km/sec (kps) and completing a full cycle every day.

The next level, Macro Spin Level 2, will be the solar system spin about its axis, which we note as the planets' orbit of the (rotating) sun. For Earth, this velocity is about 30kps and completes a full cycle every one year.

Macro Spin Level 3 is the galaxy spin about its central black hole Sagittarius A*, the motion of which we notice the existence as our solar system travels in a further bigger orbit around our galaxy. This velocity is about 270kps and completes a full cycle every about 226 million years.

We know about the existence of other spinning galaxies, which together as clusters in a similar fashion like the spinning planets orbiting the sun, are orbiting yet around another centre of rotation, the centre of the Virgo super cluster. This would be the Macro Spin Level 4.

Virgo super cluster centre is known as the great attractor and could possibly have its own orbital velocity as well, that would be orbiting around yet another centre, together with several other 'attractors'. This is Macro Level 5, and its centre is fixed.

The highest level we got data for, is that of level 4, the velocity of the centre of our galaxy with respect to the Great attractor, measured as 627kps. This is the velocity as measured by doppler effect with respect to the cosmic background radiation.

In the following calculations I will conventionally assume the Great attractor to be stationary, and that Spin level 5 does not exist. We will refer to it further on, in this page. One important thing to notice is that each hierarchy level is cyclic, and that the increase in velocity in its first half cycle, will be balanced by an equal decrease in velocity on its completion of the cycle. This concept shows that the whole universe is cyclic, and that the present expansion of the universe is part of a huge time cycle which expands and contracts the whole universe. This eliminates the requirement of the Big Bang model as a means to understand the present expansion state.
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If there is another Macro Level beyond the CMBR, then we must add that spin velocity to the present values.


The cosmic microwave background isn't really a set place that you can go 'beyond'. It's just the locus of points in the Universe at such a distance that light emitted at the epoch of recombination (about 300,000 years after the Big Bang IIRC) has only just arrived here. A function of time.

What you're actually measuring when you compare your motion to the CMBR is your motion relative to the microwave photon gas that fills the entire Universe.
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Right, as explained in my post just above...
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THIS NEEDS TO BE REPEATED. IMPORTANT FOR UNDERSTANDING...
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We will call these spins 'Macro Spin Levels', with Macro Spin Level 1 being the earth's spin about its own axis, at a velocity of about 0.46km/sec (kps) and completing a full cycle every day.

The next level, Macro Spin Level 2, will be the solar system spin about its axis, which we note as the planets' orbit of the (rotating) sun. For Earth, this velocity is about 30kps and completes a full cycle every one year.

Macro Spin Level 3 is the galaxy spin about its central black hole Sagittarius A*, the motion of which we notice the existence as our solar system travels in a further bigger orbit around our galaxy. This velocity is about 270kps and completes a full cycle every about 226 million years.

We know about the existence of other spinning galaxies, which together as clusters in a similar fashion like the spinning planets orbiting the sun, are orbiting yet around another centre of rotation, the centre of the Virgo super cluster. This would be the Macro Spin Level 4.

Virgo super cluster centre is known as the great attractor and could possibly have its own orbital velocity as well, that would be orbiting around yet another centre, together with several other 'attractors'. This is Macro Level 5, and its centre is fixed.

The highest level we got data for, is that of level 4, the velocity of the centre of our galaxy with respect to the Great attractor, measured as 627kps. This is the velocity as measured by doppler effect with respect to the cosmic background radiation.

In the following calculations I will conventionally assume the Great attractor to be stationary, and that Spin level 5 does not exist. We will refer to it further on, in this page. One important thing to notice is that each hierarchy level is cyclic, and that the increase in velocity in its first half cycle, will be balanced by an equal decrease in velocity on its completion of the cycle. This concept shows that the whole universe is cyclic, and that the present expansion of the universe is part of a huge time cycle which expands and contracts the whole universe. This eliminates the requirement of the Big Bang model as a means to understand the present expansion state.
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bump
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Everything is cyclical...patterns within patterns...spirals within spirals...everything interacting...
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scalar weapons etc

the real truth
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Now, for something new...

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Newton's Wrong Assumption

For over 200 years the equations of motion as stated by Newton were taken as final, and seemed to describe nature quite accurately. However, discrepancies were found later on, which required the intervention of Einstein in 1905 to tweak all Newton's laws of motion. The tweak came at the expense of the acceptance that MASS VARIES WITH VELOCITY.


You see...when a scientist is wrong, but the formulas are standard practice, a new theory isn't worked on, but instead, the formulas are tweaked...
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scalar weapons etc

the real truth
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electromagnetic scalar waves...important...forget about the weapons for now...
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What was Newton famous for...gravity...?
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Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings, as a way our brains can make sense of gravity. The speed of light is constant, because it is made by us: it’s the clock by which we have calibrated our existence. Based on this premise, Ockels proposes a new way to explore life in our galaxy.



hf
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Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings, as a way our brains can make sense of gravity. The speed of light is constant, because it is made by us: it’s the clock by which we have calibrated our existence. Based on this premise, Ockels proposes a new way to explore life in our galaxy.



hf
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Thanks, I'll have to watch this.

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