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Mr. Frothingslosh (OP)

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I'm a liberal. I want government to control every aspect of our economy. In fact, all paychecks should emanate from the Federal government and our pensions secured by Uncle Sam. This is our ultimate goal, and Obama will see it through.

Private sector capitalism has run its course. It's over. Only the upper echelon Wall Street folks benefit by it through its corrupt practices at the expense of the middle class.

The demographic numbers are in our favor -- not conservatives. Minorities, unions, and the huge number of retiring baby boomers will vote for liberal Democrats to keep their entitlements flowing. Tbey don't trust conservatives can deliver the goods.

It's over. Liberals win. Conservatives lose. It's inevitable and as right as rain.
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I am assuming you're a troll, but on the offchance you are serious, you are deluded beyond belief.

Where exactly will the wealth come from for these paychecks and pensions? The government, in case you haven't been paying attention, is beyond broke. Where are these "goods" going to come from? Wealth (and by wealth, I mean any kind of material thing) needs to be produced by someone. If everyone is waiting to receive from the gov, who is producing, and why are they working to produce, if someone who doesn't produce gets the same goodies from the gov.

Politically, you might be right that liberal will triumph, but mathematically, that means they will have a pretty much destitute economy, and as happens in all politically-controlled economies, there will be still be winners and losers, but it won't be based on merit or hard work, but who you know, control, and own.

Incidentally, do you really think Wall Street as it exists today has anything to do with capitalism? The Wall Street firms were saved from extinction by the of government, and all the big bonuses were effectively nothing more than government subsidies.
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I'm a liberal. I want government to control every aspect of our economy. In fact, all paychecks should emanate from the Federal government and our pensions secured by Uncle Sam. This is our ultimate goal, and Obama will see it through.

Private sector capitalism has run its course. It's over. Only the upper echelon Wall Street folks benefit by it through its corrupt practices at the expense of the middle class.

The demographic numbers are in our favor -- not conservatives. Minorities, unions, and the huge number of retiring baby boomers will vote for liberal Democrats to keep their entitlements flowing. Tbey don't trust conservatives can deliver the goods.

It's over. Liberals win. Conservatives lose. It's inevitable and as right as rain.
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Look at Russia to see what 70 years of communism will bring. It's like they've been asleep with nothing to show for 70 years. Nothing but a run down infrastructure, dilapidated buildings, rusty factories, shitty cars and everybody dresses in black.
It's a terrible thing that's happened to a once great people and nation.

You better look around, because if this idiot is right, there won't be any improvements around you for the next 100 years or more.
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Look Im as anti-social as the next person, and I hate the whole status-quo in DC, and Rand would have been someone I would have looked to, to support. BUT, what the hell was he thinking about, backing BP???? That seriously puts him in my shit book. Let all the ghouls in power go take a bath in the Gulf. :craaboil:
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He wasn't backing BP. He was lashing out at the Obama administration for the statement they have their boot heel on BP's throat. He called that statement Un-American...not the criticism of BP itself.

He was lashing out at them for playing the blame game, but Obama gave that same oil rig a safety award just a month ago.

WE MUST SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE COMPANIES.

In a Libertarian society, those who are affected by this oil spill can sue BP.
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I'm a Tea Partier. There are people better versed in the underlying philosophy than myself, no doubt, but seeing as the Rand haters are out in full force on GLP, I welcome you to tell me your complaints about his politics, and I will dismantle your arguments piece by piece.


Why will he not support Israel? Is Rand Paul as anti-Semitic as his father, or is he worse?



He DOES support Israel, dummy. That's why I don't trust him.


Trade with all nations. Ally with none.

This political shit is pretty simple if you follow the greatest political minds in history.
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He said he backed Israel in all they did.
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He supports BP and big oil

He is opposed to the part of the civil rights bill that forces private businesses to not discriminate according to race...

He thinks that handicapped people should work on the 1rst floor instead of the government forcing businesses to provide proper access...

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP
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He DOES support Israel, dummy. That's why I don't trust him.
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He was asked a VERY simple and easy question, "will you promise to stand with Israel?" Most REAL Republicans would have NO problem answering that question with an immediate and enthusiastic YES! So why would Rand Paul not make that promise and then go on to dodge the question entirely? Is is a matter that gravely concerns all Jews and most Americans who have invested so much in Israel.

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I'm a Tea Partier. There are people better versed in the underlying philosophy than myself, no doubt, but seeing as the Rand haters are out in full force on GLP, I welcome you to tell me your complaints about his politics, and I will dismantle your arguments piece by piece.


Why will he not support Israel? Is Rand Paul as anti-Semitic as his father, or is he worse?



He DOES support Israel, dummy. That's why I don't trust him.


Trade with all nations. Ally with none.

This political shit is pretty simple if you follow the greatest political minds in history.



He said he backed Israel in all they did.
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He is against giving them money and would never support a war or vote to go to war with Israel.

What they do is their own business and the business of their neighbors.

NON-INTERVENTION is his policy, much like his father.

He's just being vague to get elected.
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Trade with all nations. Ally with none.

This political shit is pretty simple if you follow the greatest political minds in history.
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Dr. Henry Kissinger, the greatest political mind of all time, would most certainly disagree with that position.
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He supports BP and big oil

He is opposed to the part of the civil rights bill that forces private businesses to not discriminate according to race...

He thinks that handicapped people should work on the 1rst floor instead of the government forcing businesses to provide proper access...

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP
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"Forcing."

No business should be "forced" to do anything.

If you don't like what a business is doing, don't support them.

Don't whine to Nanny Government every time you have a problem.

The world is not fair. You can't legislate fairness.
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Rand Paul stood up for BP

that says it all
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I'll be honest, this one freaked me out too. At least at first glance. I have only seen bits of his comments on this, but I think I understand his mindset, so here it is.

First, he said he assumed BP would be responsible for all the clean-up costs. Clearly, they are not, due to the liability cap that Congress gave them. Based on his comments, I don't think he was aware of the cap. You can fault him for that, but to be fair, he is running a campaign for the first time, so you could perhaps understand if he did not know about the liability cap.

Second, and more to his underlying philosophy, would BP have ever drilled this well if there hadn't been a liability cap, which is basically a gigantic free subsidy from the government? My guess is that the answer is no. If BP knew that the damage from any single oil spill could bankrupt the company overnight, they would either not be doing dangerous exploratory drilling or they would have invested a lot more money in having proper containment facilities ready. As it is, with the liability cap, the bottom-line picture is that it made a lot more financial sense for BP to risk losing X dollars of the liability cap than invest several times X in improving their safety systems.

It's called "moral hazard" - when you know someone will bail you out from a disastrous decision, you are free to take bigger risks. If they work, you make the profit. If they fail disastrously, the tab falls on the other guy's shoulders. It's been the business model of Wall Street for years. Heads they win, tails you lose, all thanks to free subsidies of the federal government.

Remove those subsidies, and a lot of companies will fail, but the overall economic system will be much healthier, as people start wearing their own risks.

That was a tangent there, but the point is if the government really left BP 100% alone, but enforced environmental (property) laws so BP would be 100% liable for any damage they caused, you would see much better behavior from BP and other oil companies.
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He wasn't backing BP. He was lashing out at the Obama administration for the statement they have their boot heel on BP's throat. He called that statement Un-American...not the criticism of BP itself.

He was lashing out at them for playing the blame game, but Obama gave that same oil rig a safety award just a month ago.

WE MUST SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE COMPANIES.

In a Libertarian society, those who are affected by this oil spill can sue BP.
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Really????

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Trade with all nations. Ally with none.

This political shit is pretty simple if you follow the greatest political minds in history.


Dr. Henry Kissinger, the greatest political mind of all time, would most certainly disagree with that position.
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Dr. Henry Strangelove needs to be sleeping with the fishes.

It can't come too soon.

Include Soros, Buffet and Gates with him, too!

pennywise
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Trade with all nations. Ally with none.

This political shit is pretty simple if you follow the greatest political minds in history.


Dr. Henry Kissinger, the greatest political mind of all time, would most certainly disagree with that position.
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You know very well I was referring to our founding fathers.
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Look Im as anti-social as the next person, and I hate the whole status-quo in DC, and Rand would have been someone I would have looked to, to support. BUT, what the hell was he thinking about, backing BP???? That seriously puts him in my shit book. Let all the ghouls in power go take a bath in the Gulf. :craaboil:


He wasn't backing BP. He was lashing out at the Obama administration for the statement they have their boot heel on BP's throat. He called that statement Un-American...not the criticism of BP itself.

He was lashing out at them for playing the blame game, but Obama gave that same oil rig a safety award just a month ago.

WE MUST SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE COMPANIES.

In a Libertarian society, those who are affected by this oil spill can sue BP.
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Fair enough. I only got what was spoon-fed by the idiot box. Im too steamed about the whole Gulf Incident to be too diligent at this point in time. Guess it was a strategic blow by the MSM, and people that dont come here may assume that he actually was backing the Gulf Terrorist. Carry on, I need no rebuttal on this, I'll do better checking next time. Later
What happened to my beloved GLP????.
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He wasn't backing BP. He was lashing out at the Obama administration for the statement they have their boot heel on BP's throat. He called that statement Un-American...not the criticism of BP itself.

He was lashing out at them for playing the blame game, but Obama gave that same oil rig a safety award just a month ago.

WE MUST SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE COMPANIES.

In a Libertarian society, those who are affected by this oil spill can sue BP.


Really????


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He was saying that the POTUS shouldn't be playing the blame game. He did not say that BP shouldn't be held responsible for the cleanup or the poor job in stopping the leak, or anything else. He simply said stop pointing fingers at people and trying to find someone to blame.

I'm sorry your Leftist brain can't comprehend what he's saying.
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He supports BP and big oil

He is opposed to the part of the civil rights bill that forces private businesses to not discriminate according to race...

He thinks that handicapped people should work on the 1rst floor instead of the government forcing businesses to provide proper access...

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP


"Forcing."

No business should be "forced" to do anything.

If you don't like what a business is doing, don't support them.

Don't whine to Nanny Government every time you have a problem.

The world is not fair. You can't legislate fairness.
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Bullshit!!

If you tell someone they cant use a restroom because they are black, that is discrimination...

That is why we have the Civil Rights

If you tell someone they cant come into your restaurant to eat because they are black, that is discrimination...

That is why we have Civil Rights

If you refuse to hire someone according to the color of their skin, that is discrimination..

That is why we have civil rights

Some laws that have been passed are actually for the better of humanity...

99.999999% of the public is against discrimination...The public spoke and spoke long ago...
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He wasn't backing BP. He was lashing out at the Obama administration for the statement they have their boot heel on BP's throat. He called that statement Un-American...not the criticism of BP itself.

He was lashing out at them for playing the blame game, but Obama gave that same oil rig a safety award just a month ago.

WE MUST SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE COMPANIES.

In a Libertarian society, those who are affected by this oil spill can sue BP.


Really????




He was saying that the POTUS shouldn't be playing the blame game. He did not say that BP shouldn't be held responsible for the cleanup or the poor job in stopping the leak, or anything else. He simply said stop pointing fingers at people and trying to find someone to blame.

I'm sorry your Leftist brain can't comprehend what he's saying.
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You know nothing of me...I am nothing, not a retardican or dumbocrat...

Thats the problem, you sheep go right and left while they run the ball straight down the center..

You are fooled beyond belief in Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Alex "govt shill" Jones...

Wake up, the Pauls are no better than the rest of the trash that is in office...

Not one single honest politician and not one that gives 2 shits about humanity..Only lining their pockets from big oil and banks..
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here's what I think ... the only reason he got elected was because of name recognition ... fact is, that he does NOT have the same political views of his father, and that he isn't nearly as smart ... of course, he doesn't have the experience of his dad but jeeeze, he needs to a hair do that doesn't make him like like an adolescent retard.

it is a cheap knock off of the real thing.

him and Palin make the perfect pair ... wonder who will be the pres and who will be the VP (does it matter) they are both idiots.

WAKE UP PEOPLE ... the demos and the repukes are the same party ... two head on the same monster

VOTE THIRD PARTY ... and let that be your statement ... you don't have to choose the better of two evils...you can choose someone who isn't associated with evil at all ... don't be duped into believing you have to vote for one or the other ... when neither of them keep their promises once they are in the white house ... and that's a fact Jack

rand is a wannabe ... riding on his dad's coat tails
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Second, and more to his underlying philosophy, would BP have ever drilled this well if there hadn't been a liability cap, which is basically a gigantic free subsidy from the government? My guess is that the answer is no. If BP knew that the damage from any single oil spill could bankrupt the company overnight, they would either not be doing dangerous exploratory drilling or they would have invested a lot more money in having proper containment facilities ready. As it is, with the liability cap, the bottom-line picture is that it made a lot more financial sense for BP to risk losing X dollars of the liability cap than invest several times X in improving their safety systems.

It's called "moral hazard" - when you know someone will bail you out from a disastrous decision, you are free to take bigger risks. If they work, you make the profit. If they fail disastrously, the tab falls on the other guy's shoulders. It's been the business model of Wall Street for years. Heads they win, tails you lose, all thanks to free subsidies of the federal government.

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clappa

Big Government CAUSED Deepwater Horizon through capping liability!

Discuss.
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one small step for Libertarianism, one giant leap, for anti-shillism!
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Trade with all nations. Ally with none.

This political shit is pretty simple if you follow the greatest political minds in history.


Dr. Henry Kissinger, the greatest political mind of all time, would most certainly disagree with that position.


Dr. Henry Strangelove needs to be sleeping with the fishes.

It can't come too soon.

Include Soros, Buffet and Gates with him, too!

pennywise
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what has Warren Buffet done? i met him a few years ago, he was super nice ! took us all out for steak, still drives a beater with the custom THRIFTY license plate. A super sweet old man, was my impression.
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rand paul = ron paul = bought and paid for. All politicians are bought and paid for. never trust an authority figure telling you he's against the authority. he will lead you to the gallows.
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He supports BP and big oil

He is opposed to the part of the civil rights bill that forces private businesses to not discriminate according to race...

He thinks that handicapped people should work on the 1rst floor instead of the government forcing businesses to provide proper access...

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP
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Here is a little thought question to ponder concerning the roles and responsibilities of business. I put it here, because a lot of people seem to take a business as a natural given. That is just exists naturally like a tree or a rock. But it doesn't.

This is off-the-cuff, so it is probably flawed, but here goes...

It's a hot summer day, and I notice there are a lot of thirsty-looking people walking on the sidewalk in front on my house.

I spy a business opportunity. So I buy some lemons, sugar and water, and invest some time making pitchers of lemonade. I get a table, plastic cups, and head outside to set up shop.

Now, consider the picture before I set up shop. There is no lemonade. Anyone walking by my place, at least for the time they are by my place, cannot satisfy their thirst. Yet there is a natural demand for lemonade. So my little lemonade stand is meeting a natural demand.

I decide to charge fifty cents per cup. Person after person stops for a cup of my lemonade. This is a business, but understand the nature of the interaction. We are both winners. I win because the fifty cents covers my costs and efforts and makes me a profit. The consumer wins because they are exchanging, by choice, fifty cents for a cup of lemonade. They must, by definition, win, because the exchange is voluntary. They could just as easily pocket the fifty cents and keep walking.

Demand is good, so I raise my price to a dollar. Less people take the deal, but I making more profit, and the consumers are still winning because of the voluntary exchange.

I raise my price to five dollars. No one stops. Thirsty as people are, they would rather keep the five dollars and walk a few blocks and then slake their thirst someplace else for a cheaper price.

I lower my price to two dollars. This seems to be best spot for me, as I am just enough people to maximize my profit. I am rolling in money, but some people are irritated at the price, seeing too much profit in it.

While some are complaining, one enterprising person sets up a lemonade stand across the street, charging a dollar. All the people head across the street. Bye bye profits for me. He is still making a handsome profit, and now I have to either cut my prices to compete or go out of business.

You can take the story from here. I add more flavors of juice. My competitor adds food. A third guy opens a smoothie stand on the next corner. And so on. We are competing like hell, but who really wins? We all do, but the primary winner is the consumer. He has gone from a street with no lemonade at all to a street filled with an array of choices to meet his need even if he voluntarily wants to exchange his money from the goods on offer.

You will notice there is no government here. Certainly, a government will be needed to protect basic property rights. If I set my competitor's booth on fire, the government needs to step in. Or if I put Clorox in my lemonade, the government needs to step in. But policing and the settlement of torts are legit roles of government.

The government Rand Paul fears (and most Tea Partiers fear) is the one that steps in and complicates an otherwise straightforward transaction between people. I need a license before I can put up a stand. I need to take a 40 hour course on Lemonade Safety before I can get the license. The table must be set-up by union workers.

You throw enough complications and headaches like this into the mix, and I will never set up my stand in the first place. The consumers need will go unfulfilled, and rather than working and making a profit, I'll just be sitting in my kitchen, staring out the window.
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Trade with all nations. Ally with none.

This political shit is pretty simple if you follow the greatest political minds in history.


Dr. Henry Kissinger, the greatest political mind of all time, would most certainly disagree with that position.


Dr. Henry Strangelove needs to be sleeping with the fishes.

It can't come too soon.

Include Soros, Buffet and Gates with him, too!

pennywise


what has Warren Buffet done? i met him a few years ago, he was super nice ! took us all out for steak, still drives a beater with the custom THRIFTY license plate. A super sweet old man, was my impression.
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That's just for PR purposes.

Oh, the cheap suits he wears?

Styled by Italian designers to look cheap, at $2000 a pop.

Keep the fuck up!
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The government Rand Paul fears (and most Tea Partiers fear) is the one that steps in and complicates an otherwise straightforward transaction between people.
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the government rand paul fears is one that is not maintained by his controllers, the illuminati, or whatever the hell you'd prefer to call them. the pauls are part of the deception.
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He supports BP and big oil

He is opposed to the part of the civil rights bill that forces private businesses to not discriminate according to race...

He thinks that handicapped people should work on the 1rst floor instead of the government forcing businesses to provide proper access...

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP


"Forcing."

No business should be "forced" to do anything.

If you don't like what a business is doing, don't support them.

Don't whine to Nanny Government every time you have a problem.

The world is not fair. You can't legislate fairness.


Bullshit!!

If you tell someone they cant use a restroom because they are black, that is discrimination...

That is why we have the Civil Rights

If you tell someone they cant come into your restaurant to eat because they are black, that is discrimination...

That is why we have Civil Rights

If you refuse to hire someone according to the color of their skin, that is discrimination..

That is why we have civil rights

Some laws that have been passed are actually for the better of humanity...

99.999999% of the public is against discrimination...The public spoke and spoke long ago...
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If I don't let you come into my house and use my restroom because you're a complete stranger, that is discrimination...

If I refuse to hire someone because his baggy pants are around his knees and he can't speak anything resembling proper english, that is discrimination...

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but the right to discriminate is as American as apple pie. We are supposed to be a "free market", "capitalist", "liberal" nation, yet if I create my own company, I can't decide my own hiring criteria. If I open a restaurant, I can't decide on my own criteria for what constitutes an acceptable patron. How are these ideas in any way compatible with what the founding fathers intended, and the ideals that are supposed to be intrinsic to a "free country"?

And your notion that the public spoke against discrimination is wrong. Most of the reason the civil rights act passed is because the USSR was making us look ridiculous on the international stage. Instead of staying true to our ideals and combating the USSR with out superior moral and philosophical positions, we sunk to their level and commied the fuck out of our country.
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The government Rand Paul fears (and most Tea Partiers fear) is the one that steps in and complicates an otherwise straightforward transaction between people.


the government rand paul fears is one that is not maintained by his controllers, the illuminati, or whatever the hell you'd prefer to call them. the pauls are part of the deception.
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This is such nonsense. I'm curious, is there any one in political power who is not owned by the Illuminati?

And a second question: if the Illuminati were so beloved of Rand Paul, why are TPTB, which I assume in your model of the universe include the Illuminati, working so hard to discredit him?
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He supports BP and big oil

He is opposed to the part of the civil rights bill that forces private businesses to not discriminate according to race...

He thinks that handicapped people should work on the 1rst floor instead of the government forcing businesses to provide proper access...

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP

He supports BP



Here is a little thought question to ponder concerning the roles and responsibilities of business. I put it here, because a lot of people seem to take a business as a natural given. That is just exists naturally like a tree or a rock. But it doesn't.

This is off-the-cuff, so it is probably flawed, but here goes...

It's a hot summer day, and I notice there are a lot of thirsty-looking people walking on the sidewalk in front on my house.

I spy a business opportunity. So I buy some lemons, sugar and water, and invest some time making pitchers of lemonade. I get a table, plastic cups, and head outside to set up shop.

Now, consider the picture before I set up shop. There is no lemonade. Anyone walking by my place, at least for the time they are by my place, cannot satisfy their thirst. Yet there is a natural demand for lemonade. So my little lemonade stand is meeting a natural demand.

I decide to charge fifty cents per cup. Person after person stops for a cup of my lemonade. This is a business, but understand the nature of the interaction. We are both winners. I win because the fifty cents covers my costs and efforts and makes me a profit. The consumer wins because they are exchanging, by choice, fifty cents for a cup of lemonade. They must, by definition, win, because the exchange is voluntary. They could just as easily pocket the fifty cents and keep walking.

Demand is good, so I raise my price to a dollar. Less people take the deal, but I making more profit, and the consumers are still winning because of the voluntary exchange.

I raise my price to five dollars. No one stops. Thirsty as people are, they would rather keep the five dollars and walk a few blocks and then slake their thirst someplace else for a cheaper price.

I lower my price to two dollars. This seems to be best spot for me, as I am just enough people to maximize my profit. I am rolling in money, but some people are irritated at the price, seeing too much profit in it.

While some are complaining, one enterprising person sets up a lemonade stand across the street, charging a dollar. All the people head across the street. Bye bye profits for me. He is still making a handsome profit, and now I have to either cut my prices to compete or go out of business.

You can take the story from here. I add more flavors of juice. My competitor adds food. A third guy opens a smoothie stand on the next corner. And so on. We are competing like hell, but who really wins? We all do, but the primary winner is the consumer. He has gone from a street with no lemonade at all to a street filled with an array of choices to meet his need even if he voluntarily wants to exchange his money from the goods on offer.

You will notice there is no government here. Certainly, a government will be needed to protect basic property rights. If I set my competitor's booth on fire, the government needs to step in. Or if I put Clorox in my lemonade, the government needs to step in. But policing and the settlement of torts are legit roles of government.

The government Rand Paul fears (and most Tea Partiers fear) is the one that steps in and complicates an otherwise straightforward transaction between people. I need a license before I can put up a stand. I need to take a 40 hour course on Lemonade Safety before I can get the license. The table must be set-up by union workers.

You throw enough complications and headaches like this into the mix, and I will never set up my stand in the first place. The consumers need will go unfulfilled, and rather than working and making a profit, I'll just be sitting in my kitchen, staring out the window.
 Quoting: Mr. Frothingslosh


The Govt can kiss my ass and so can Rand Paul...

He is a fake, a plant...

And anyone who believes that people should be allowed to turn away customers according to their skin color is the typical trash that gets elected...

"Tea Partiers" make me giggle...

You have let the 2 biggest fakes convince you this movement is this amazing movement that is going to overthrow the corrupt government...Truth is, the Govt is way too big to be fixed, and especially by republicans...

Glenn Beck denies 9/11 was an inside job...
And Alex Jones has been proven over and over to be a complete shill..

You guys let your movement to be infiltrated long ago by these 2 and others...

People really need to research what is going on in the world and our govt...Its not hard to find out...If you think Rand Paul and Ron Paul are any different, you are sadly allowing yourself to be manipulated


If they are claiming a party, you need to question their motives..

This is the problem with our society, we have allowed them to split us into different parties...We are at each others throats with insults and bickering over left or right, not right and wrong..

We need a neutral government where all decisions and bills are voted on by American citizens, not corrupt politicians that have had their pockets filled by every bank and corporation out there...

How hard would it be to set up a quarterly voting session, where Americans can vote on Laws, not politicians..Let the politicians argue their points to the public...

For the people, by the people..
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Re: All Rand Paul haters - come here to be politically annihilated
I'm a Tea Partier. There are people better versed in the underlying philosophy than myself, no doubt, but seeing as the Rand haters are out in full force on GLP, I welcome you to tell me your complaints about his politics, and I will dismantle your arguments piece by piece.


Why will he not support Israel? Is Rand Paul as anti-Semitic as his father, or is he worse?


I sincerely hope he is an anti-Zionist.

But not anti-Jew.
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Nope....Rand put out a packet where he kissed israel's ass just like the rest of the Corrupt Congress critters. Unfortunately voting for Rand is just voting for the lesser of two evils. He is a Zionist kiss ass groveling Shill.


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Re: All Rand Paul haters - come here to be politically annihilated
You know very well I was referring to our founding fathers.
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You mean the ones who owned slaves?