Are Any Christians Beginning To Understand How JESUS CHRIST Could Save Billions of People ???

The problem with that thought is that the scriptures clearly tell us that the world will not die a slow death, but will in fact come to sudden and catastrophic destruction.

Those that have not accepted Jesus are running out of time; as the 'birth pangs' have already begun and they are gaining in magnitude and frequency.

The theive on the cross....

Couldn't that be described as sudden destruction as well?

Even if billions of people had one moment or one day to decide don't you think God could have Mercy on Them if we asked Him???

Are Christian even willing to ask God to save billions and billions of people in and through Jesus Christ???

Can you BELIEVE He is willing to do just that?

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"Look UP for your redemption truly does draw near. I, the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, say this to all those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Time is collapsing upon itself; do you notice how the days are being shortened. Do you see how fast the times flies by. Can you see how quickly a day goes by only to have the next day go even faster. Jesus Christ is standing at the door; he is knocking, and all those who have ears to hear have or are opening the door to eternal life through His Holy Sacrfice.

Come to Him saith the Father in Heaven for the end of mankinds rule is soon to give way to the glorious Kingdom of God.

However, between that time and this time will be a period of unparalled disaster and suffering that this world has never known. Come my people and enter into the safe place where the Blood of Jesus covers you. I love all of mankind for they are made in MY IMAGE saith the Lord God. But, sadly not all will come to me through my Beloved Son Jesus the Christ. Come now I pleaed with you, for TIME is of the essence.

Thus saith the Lord God Almighty.

Honestly, I do not know.
I have many in my family who have not accepted Jesus, and I hope they have a final opportunity before judgment...

but I am not so sure they will get it.

Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7 read that every eye shall see Him and shall mourn at the coming of the Son of Man.

It would seem to me that the unsaved are mourning at the return of Jesus because they understand they are sinners and that it is now too late.

Also, Revelation 6:15-16 read: And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb

At the return of Jesus the wicked do not repent, but instead try to escape His wrath; even beg the mountains to fall on them because death is better than God's wrath.
Is this because it is too late and the unsaved are already doomed, or because the wicked still are ignorant of the gift of salvation?

Again, I do not know. I hope that people have one last chance at the return of Jesus to fall on their knees to accept Jesus and beg for forgiveness, but I cannot promise that they either get that chance, or that they will be able to take it even if it is offered (remember the Bible calls them "Willfully Ignorant").

I do not think it is a risk worth taking; so I have accepted Jesus and I urge everyone I know to do the same. because when we all see Jesus returning, it may be too late.

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My observation is that most Christians don't want God to have mercy on people who are not Christians, they don't even want them to have a chance. They want to feel like they are part of a special, elite group.

It's all bullshit.

No.

Everyone is saved on an individual basis. We must each accept Jesus into our heart and accept the Salvation that He gave us.

We cannot save our family and friends; all we can try to do is lead them to the One who CAN save them.

The Apostle Paul crearly explains that those who never heard the Gospel will be judged according to their conscience. There are still billions in China and India who have not heard.

That is the sentiment I'm trying to address.
Christians who will not believe that God can save billions of people and won't even ask Him to because of Religious Pride!

the thief on the cross that was saved, asked Jesus to remember him and because of his belief Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise.



Luke 23:39-43

39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"

40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."

42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."

43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

there is a Scripture in the Book of Acts that says "Believe on the Lord Jesus and YOU and your HOUSE shall be saved."

I recommend you accept and believe that Scripture of the Salvation of your House.

Luke is not advocating salvation by proxy. In other words, he is not saying the jailer's salvation automatically included everyone in his house and that they had no need to respond to the Gospel.

The fact is that each member of the household had to personally believe in order to be saved. The example of the head of the household made it easier for them, but they, too, needed to believe to be saved, a salvation which they testified to by being baptized.

[link to bible.org]

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I've heard preachers take both sides of this Scrpture.
Some who believe the faith of the Head of the House - along with the Mercy of God in and through Jesus Christ - will lead to the Salvation of the whole House and others who do not.

Thanks for your input! I enjoy discussing these things.

I don't think that people are going to be on their way to Heaven just because they suddenly start to say;
"I believe in Jesus."
And then continue to be judgmental about any of the other children of God, regardless if they be Christian or Hindu or whatever, or even non believers.

The Truth is that All of us are Sons of God, even all who do not presently know this TRUTH. And if some awaken to Who they really are and do what they can to act as a Son of God, then I BELIEVE they will be on their way to the next level of being, and will be able to leave this world of chaos, and conflict.

All I have to concern myself with is do I want to continue to have more lives in this world, or do I want to do what Jesus teaches that will bring me to the next level of being so I can finally be on my way to Heaven?



Jesus came here 2000 years ago to teach us what we needed to know to find our way back to God our Father.

I am certain that much of what He taught was not included in the New Testament, since it only had to rely on the memory of the apostles who's writings about Jesus' teaching was included in the NT. He didn't write any of it.
There are other important writings not included such as the Gospel of the Apostle Thomas, and probably others also.

Jesus can save anyone who is willing to do what is needed to be done to be saved. But we have to make the effort.

Its obvious that since so called Christians have for a very long time been judging and attacking not only other Christians, such as Catholics, but also anyone who is not a Christian, as if they had the authority to do that.

Jesus taught us that we should not judge, and to help us remember that,when He was being attacked He never judged or condemned even the people who brutalized Him as they crucified Him and killed His body. And He never harmed anyone.
Instead He said "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

We are supposed to remember that experience of His so that when we go through our difficult experiences, we will remember not to judge our brothers also.
Its not an easy thing to do.

Jesus teaches what we need to know to be able to leave this world of misery and conflict.

Since what He taught us which is in the New Testament has not been learned very well by most of us, by Divine Intervention Jesus gave us His Book called "A Course In Miracles" so that there would be very little chance of any of us who study it to have any misunderstanding of what He wants us to learn. It is His Book, and ONLY His words in it.

He says in it, that it is a REQUIRED COURSE, and we only get to choose when we want to take it.

Some of you are familiar with it and most are not.
It is certainly worth your while to see what He gave to us, and what He says is important for us to learn.

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I'm really sorry to disappoint you, but "a course in miracles" is pure demonology. I've read it and studied it numerous times.

In my opinion it is another example of the lie that has been fed to those who call themselves "christians" (I used to be one too), that there was a "Divine Being who was born of a virgin, who was sacrificed so his followers could eat his flesh and blood and have eternal life."

This is nothing more than Pagan Ritual Flesh and Blood Sacrifice, a part of the BEAST system, and has been going on much longer than "christianity" WHICH was conceived by the ROMAN EMPEROR Constantine, and which is being carried out today by the ROMAN "catholic church" and all the Protestant churches are falling in line behind it.

IF you study and research the BEAST, you will find it has PERVERTED ALL ATTEMPTS TO WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE GOD, that were created by man. ALL RELIGIONS WORSHIP THE BEAST.

IF you are seeking the PROTECTION OF THE ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD, you must renounce ALL that the churches and synogogues and temples have taught you and return to the truth of the One True Almighty God; HE WILL PROTECT HIS CHILDREN WHO TURN TO HIM.

"11“What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?”
Says God.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle;
And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.

12“When you come to appear before Me,
Who requires of you this trampling of My courts?

13“Bring your worthless offerings no longer,
Incense is an abomination to Me.
New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.

14“I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts,
They have become a burden to Me;
I am weary of bearing them.

15“So when you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Yes, even though you multiply prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are covered with blood.

16“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,

17Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow." Isaiah 1:11-17

man made words got us into this mess, who gives a rats
ass what they say, we're not getting out of it nor did
anyone do anything about problems in the past.

Believe me you do not disappoint me at all.
I think you disappoint yourself.

If the beauty and joy that fills Jesus' Book, A Course in Miracles went right over your head, and was missed by you although you state you read it and studied it numerous times, all I can say is that I am sorry for you.

Perhaps in time you will be ready to really study it and actually understand what Jesus wants us to learn.

Obviously you were not ready for it.

And as you say you are no longer a Christian, as if you ever were.

A True Christian would be able to RECOGNIZE the Words of Jesus, and since you could not, then obviously you are not ready for Jesus, or should have been considered one of His followers.

In time I'm sure you will awaken too.
Its all up to you.

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VERY TRUE. My experience with Christians has been the same. I used to be a Universalist, believing that Jesus saves everyone, and Christians were so dead set against this, even though it is biblical. You wonder why? LOL They want to be special to God. Finally I figured it out. It IS all bullshit. The Bible is a book of fairy tales.

There is no one that can understand the depth of the love CHRIST has for HIS. HE doesn't want anyone to be lost. Find HIM today! Praying always for the lost.

"And ye shall (come to) know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
- John 8:32

To humble oneself is the key. The sin of pride (the downfall of Lucifer) blinds those whom are saturated with ego, and prevents them from knowing the truth. There is only One who can deliver us, and forgive us by way of the simple act of believing in Him. Pontius Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?". Because of his pride, Pilate was prevented from knowing it, little did Pilate know that he was looking at Truth directly in the eye, yet he did not recognize Him.

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
- John 6:44

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."
- John 14:6-7

It's really very simple, either one believes, or he does not. There are only two choices, only two, and there can only be one Truth, all else is a lie.

Obviously, God can do anything He desires. And the bible says that He desires that ALL would come to repentance and be saved.

However, the bible makes it VERY clear that the vast majority will not choose God, or they will be deceived into taking the Mark of the Beast, because they elevated the traditions of man, above the commandment of God.

Earths history (and future) was written in advance, by the prophets, who received this information from the One who knows the end from the beginning, and the beginning from the end. It literally IS etched in stone, as the future has already been seen by God.

The vast majority of mankind will be lost. Not because God wanted it that way, but because man (in his fallen nature) wanted to be his OWN God, or wanted to put others before God.

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"Even if billions of people had one moment or one day to decide don't you think God could have Mercy on Them if we asked Him???"


Interesting that you should ask that. Their final test (the Mark of the Beast) is coming, and only hose who believe in Jesus, and "keep His commandments" (all ten) will have the Seal of God in their foreheads, which is Gods commandments written in their hearts and minds.

The Mark of the Beast will involve the FORCED violation of one of Gods commandments. The very one that most "Christians" are already currently violating. Back in the days of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were FORCED by law to violate the second commandment, but they refused, and were thrown into the fiery furnace. But Jesus joined them in the fire, and they were not hurt, just as He will be with us through the Great Tribulation, when we will not be hurt by the seven last plagues which will be poured out onto the wicked, who receive the Mark of the Beast.

To find out what the Mark of the Beast is, you must first find out WHAT the Beast is! And then you can easily find out what it's Mark is.

That's the perception of someone who simply has NO intention of repenting. It's always much easier to attack those who are at least TRYING.

"I don't think that people are going to be on their way to Heaven just because they suddenly start to say;
"I believe in Jesus."

All who call upon the Lord Jesus will be saved.

The theif on the cross knew he was dying, admitted the truth to Jesus and was consequently granted Paradise.

If this planet dies a slow death, could billions turn to Jesus with the same sorrow for their sins?

Are Christians willing to ask God to save billions of people in and through His only son, Jesus? Can you picture it in your mind and believe it will happen???

I am asking and believing

love peace and joy

rb

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. (Romans 11:32)


And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12:32)

Cool, rb, thanks!

I believe we need to ask God to have mercy on Everyone through Jesus. Afterall, Jesus Himself said "Father, foregive them for they know not what they do!"

We know that Jesus is Holy! So, do we believe that God heard His prayer???

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (1 Timothy 1:15)

Did He Succeed?

Exactly. The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus reconciled all to God. The problem is that some, having heard the Good News of Jesus Christ [The Gospel] have chosen to reject it because they loved darkness and not the light!