Right Now!!! LIVE UFO ON FLIR OVER EJACK VOLCANO | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 929725 Turkey 05/23/2010 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "...Yes. great job! It was Venus. Quoting: JimmyK 397865But, then the question is...why was it picked out as the hottest object in view? Greetings, I do not know enough about this particular camera to comment on why Venus was picked up. I can only say for certainty that Venus was at that exact location and due to the daylight infrared was pretty much the only way it would show up without magnification. This is an infrared of Venus. Compare its' appearance to the screenshots. Hope this helps. Regards JimmyK it doesnt help, for, as you say "I do not know enough about this particular camera to comment on why Venus was picked up.". but let me clear this up : EVERYthing existing radiates energy, heat, and therefore they, at least radiate/emit light in the infrared spectrum. therefore you can take infrared shots of anything, even the distant galaxies. BUT what you get differs wildly. since, hotter objects will appear close to white, and colder objects will increasingly appear red, and pale red, and then black. therefore, you CAN take infrared shots of venus, or jupiter or anything else. BUT venus, jupiter, ANY other celestial object that is not lit up like a christmas tree with nuclear fusion or fission, can NOT appear whiter than a smoking volcano 2 km away. ...................... the situation we have in our hands is this : there was 2 cameras watching the same location 1 normal, visible light spectrum camera, just like our eyes, 2, a FLIR camera, a forward looking infrared camera which watches the infrared spectrum. there was nothing appearing in visible light spectrum camera. whereas, on the FLIR camera that was following the SAME location, there was an airborne object that was hotter than the volcano (which is itself so hot that its all white) to the point of being picked up by the max heat marker that flir camera uses to track the maximum heat point on the image. and this went on as long as the object (from the moment i saw it) was there. (i jumped in at the half of the episode) ................... now, in the screenshot someone else posted, the max heat marker is NOT following the object -> important, since, it means that at that point, the object was NOT hotter than the volcano. this means that, from the point that screenshot was taken, and to the point i jumped in to see the cam (and hundreds of others), the object became hotter than the volcano in FLIR readings. ............... which tells mega volumes, since, celestial objects, leave aside not being able to be hotter than a smoking volcano 2 km away, can NOT change their heat index just in 1-2 minutes to surpass any kind of volcano. .............. |
Michelle-NL User ID: 967472 Netherlands 05/23/2010 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
JimmyK User ID: 397865 United States 05/23/2010 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings, It appears that some folks here understand infrared as only picking up the hottest object in view. That is not true. [link to www.flir.com] Infrared can and does pick up multiple objects. It also appears I have angered some folks and I am sorry for that as it was certainly not my intent. The object was in fact picked up on the camera and it was located in the exact location of Venus at the time. Those are facts that can be easily confirmed. Can someone show that this camera picks up ONLY the hottest image in the FOV? Thanks JimmyK |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 974324 United States 05/23/2010 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well, if Venus was captured on FLIR today, then someone must have noticed it yesterday, as well, wouldn't you think? Quoting: Michelle-NLand if they did, then i will accept it as a fact :) Well one way would be to email the vulcanologist and ask them what the FLIR was tracking. Anyone speak Icelandic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 929725 Turkey 05/23/2010 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings, Quoting: JimmyK 397865It appears that some folks here understand infrared as only picking up the hottest object in view. That is not true. [link to www.flir.com] Infrared can and does pick up multiple objects. It also appears I have angered some folks and I am sorry for that as it was certainly not my intent. The object was in fact picked up on the camera and it was located in the exact location of Venus at the time. Those are facts that can be easily confirmed. Can someone show that this camera picks up ONLY the hottest image in the FOV? Thanks JimmyK you do not read well. FLIR camera tracks heat, the MARKER that you still see in the flir camera IS tracking the maximum heat point on the image. AND, in a flir camera like the one there, marks hottest objects with white. see, how the volcano is marked white in most places. and see how the other parts of the image are not white comparably, and fades increasingly towards red and black. the object that was seen there was totally white. AND, the marker was following it. ...... you probably dont know about the marker there. in that FLIR camera there is a marker like a crosshair that tracks the hottest object on the screen. check it out. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 974324 United States 05/23/2010 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dang! Should have had it recording. Not in the FLIR, but in the other on three white very fast moving white objects just flew across that valley from left to right. Quoting: LadyTexanDid anybody else catch that? I clicked over just in time to see, but not record. I have seen something like that and actually ngot it on video. In fact I recorded this event too. But I'm waiting to post after confirmation as to what it wasn't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 963695 Canada 05/23/2010 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no logical explanation for why Venus would appear hot on FLIR really. I mean, Venus is really fucking hot (500 degrees on the surface), but FLIR assigns a heat signature to local objects. The ground is always going to be very warm compared to a dot in the sky. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 963695 Canada 05/23/2010 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm thinking FLIR is effected by brightness though.. if the Sun were in the image, it would be white hot and the tracking cross-hair would be dead centre on it. But wait.. is the Sun really hot compared to the ground right in front of it in the picture? The sun is another blip in the sky giving out intense light.. but relative to the rest of the FLIR image its not hot. Brightness, or light eminence must definitely effect FLIR. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 887365 United States 05/23/2010 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dang! Should have had it recording. Not in the FLIR, but in the other on three white very fast moving white objects just flew across that valley from left to right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 974324Did anybody else catch that? I clicked over just in time to see, but not record. I have seen something like that and actually ngot it on video. In fact I recorded this event too. But I'm waiting to post after confirmation as to what it wasn't. I've got it recording now and will leave the window on top there for a while. That was strange. Watching the animals roaming around right now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 929725 Turkey 05/23/2010 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm thinking FLIR is effected by brightness though.. if the Sun were in the image, it would be white hot and the tracking cross-hair would be dead centre on it. But wait.. is the Sun really hot compared to the ground right in front of it in the picture? The sun is another blip in the sky giving out intense light.. but relative to the rest of the FLIR image its not hot. Brightness, or light eminence must definitely effect FLIR. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 963695its 23.29 in iceland, and "sun sets 23:03 in direction 327° North-northwest North-northwest" there apparently. however, sun, needs to appear in normal cameras too. since its a visible object that is visible by the naked eye. we didnt see anything in any other webcam. of course that is, IF its set to be captured by this flir in its heat range. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 979530 United Kingdom 05/23/2010 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm thinking FLIR is effected by brightness though.. if the Sun were in the image, it would be white hot and the tracking cross-hair would be dead centre on it. But wait.. is the Sun really hot compared to the ground right in front of it in the picture? The sun is another blip in the sky giving out intense light.. but relative to the rest of the FLIR image its not hot. Brightness, or light eminence must definitely effect FLIR. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 963695I would tend to agree with you. The FLIR interprets heat to a light signature, the software may be programmed to follow the 'whitest' point in the image, therefore bright old Venus would be tracked. |
JimmyK User ID: 397865 United States 05/23/2010 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 929725It appears that some folks here understand infrared as only picking up the hottest object in view. That is not true. [link to www.flir.com] Infrared can and does pick up multiple objects. It also appears I have angered some folks and I am sorry for that as it was certainly not my intent. The object was in fact picked up on the camera and it was located in the exact location of Venus at the time. Those are facts that can be easily confirmed. Can someone show that this camera picks up ONLY the hottest image in the FOV? Thanks JimmyK you do not read well. FLIR camera tracks heat, the MARKER that you still see in the flir camera IS tracking the maximum heat point on the image. AND, in a flir camera like the one there, marks hottest objects with white. see, how the volcano is marked white in most places. and see how the other parts of the image are not white comparably, and fades increasingly towards red and black. the object that was seen there was totally white. AND, the marker was following it. ...... you probably dont know about the marker there. in that FLIR camera there is a marker like a crosshair that tracks the hottest object on the screen. check it out. Greetings, My reading comprehension is quite up to par, thanks. This last response was somewhat more respectful and I appreciate that. Q: Does the camera contain the ability for the marker to me manually moved? What is the model number of this particular camera? Thanks JimmyK |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 929725 Turkey 05/23/2010 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if it was sun, it had to cross the entire range of the cameras (since the way it disappeared was towards the right of the flir), and should be visible at all times to the flir and the normal cameras, AND, the max heat marker of the software should always have followed the sun, since sun will not change its heat throughout the 2-5 minutes it passed from those positions. since you can readily notice from the posted screenshot, the marker was not following the object at a certain point in time, and the object was already towards the right of the camera range, past the last 1/4 of the distance remaining on the right. at that point, it should have crossed entire range of the camera from left to right, AND the marker should have already been following it all along. IF, we say that the flir camera actually uses a polarized filter or something, then the object would have to be at its brightest in the CENTER of the camera, and get tracked there, and definitely not be tracked towards the end of the camera range to the right before disappearing. ................... marker itself verifies everything. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 974324 United States 05/23/2010 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dang! Should have had it recording. Not in the FLIR, but in the other on three white very fast moving white objects just flew across that valley from left to right. Quoting: LadyTexanDid anybody else catch that? I clicked over just in time to see, but not record. I have seen something like that and actually ngot it on video. In fact I recorded this event too. But I'm waiting to post after confirmation as to what it wasn't. I've got it recording now and will leave the window on top there for a while. That was strange. Watching the animals roaming around right now. Hey great LT hope you get something really good. The other video I have is at night in the valley, and I can't be 100% sure it wasn't vehicles moving around. I might try to do so0me research, but I'm pretty laid back concerning this type of thing since I'm 100% sure I know what they are. |
Michelle-NL User ID: 967472 Netherlands 05/23/2010 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dang! Should have had it recording. Not in the FLIR, but in the other on three white very fast moving white objects just flew across that valley from left to right. Quoting: LadyTexanDid anybody else catch that? I clicked over just in time to see, but not record. I have seen something like that and actually ngot it on video. In fact I recorded this event too. But I'm waiting to post after confirmation as to what it wasn't. I've got it recording now and will leave the window on top there for a while. That was strange. Watching the animals roaming around right now. i'm sorry i missed it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 887365 United States 05/23/2010 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in addition to not being seen by the normal cameras, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 929725if it was sun, it had to cross the entire range of the cameras (since the way it disappeared was towards the right of the flir), and should be visible at all times to the flir and the normal cameras, AND, the max heat marker of the software should always have followed the sun, since sun will not change its heat throughout the 2-5 minutes it passed from those positions. since you can readily notice from the posted screenshot, the marker was not following the object at a certain point in time, and the object was already towards the right of the camera range, past the last 1/4 of the distance remaining on the right. at that point, it should have crossed entire range of the camera from left to right, AND the marker should have already been following it all along. IF, we say that the flir camera actually uses a polarized filter or something, then the object would have to be at its brightest in the CENTER of the camera, and get tracked there, and definitely not be tracked towards the end of the camera range to the right before disappearing. ................... marker itself verifies everything. You do have a good point. It wasn't tracking the object until a few minutes after I went over to the site. It's like the object was heating up. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 929725 Turkey 05/23/2010 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ALSO [link to www.timeanddate.com] notice that, sun sets at 23.03 in rejkavik in iceland. it is close to the volcano geographically. however notice the time of the flir camera in the video. its 23.21. |
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Earth Daughter User ID: 973595 United States 05/24/2010 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not clear sky there now. Looks very active. Is that lava heading down the side? "Arrows of hate have been shot at me too, but they never hit me, because somehow they belonged to another world, with which I have no connection whatsoever." - Albert Einstein |
findthetruth User ID: 979561 Germany 05/24/2010 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey fellows, the secret is no more a secret. a german site, "Globale-Evolution" has the answer. it was the moon. [link to www.globale-evolution.de] look at the livecam, you can watch the moon trough the fog sometimes. findtehtruth |
Earth Daughter User ID: 973595 United States 05/24/2010 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey fellows, Quoting: findthetruth 979561the secret is no more a secret. a german site, "Globale-Evolution" has the answer. it was the moon. [link to www.globale-evolution.de] look at the livecam, you can watch the moon trough the fog sometimes. findtehtruth Moon is not hot "Arrows of hate have been shot at me too, but they never hit me, because somehow they belonged to another world, with which I have no connection whatsoever." - Albert Einstein |
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