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The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?

 
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The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
I saw this on another site.

The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?

I was talking to my son last week (he works on Mauna Kea), and he mentioned some new observations (that will no doubt get published eventually) of "Beetlejuice"; it's no longer round. This is a huge star, and when it goes, it will be at least as bright as that 1054 supernova...except that this one is 520 light years away, not 6,300:

SN 1054 (Crab Supernova) was a supernova that was widely seen on Earth in the year 1054. It was recorded by Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans, and Persian/Arab astronomers as being bright enough to see in daylight for 23 days and was visible in the night sky for 653 days.[1][2][3] The progenitor star was located in the Milky Way galaxy at a distance of 6,300 light years and exploded as a core-collapse supernova.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

When it collapses, it will be at least as bright as the full moon, and maybe as bright as the sun. For six weeks. So the really lucky folks (for whom Betelgeuse is only visible at night) will get 24 hour days, everybody else will get at least some time with two suns in the sky. The extra hour of light from daylight savings time won't burn the crops, but this might. Probably, all we'll get is visible light (not gamma rays or X-rays), so it shouldn't be an ELE. It's sure gonna freak everyone out, though.....

Then it will form a black hole, but we're too far away for that to matter.

The buzz is that this is weeks/months away, not the "any time in the next thousand years" that's in all the books.

For your reading pleasure (and I left out the tinfoil, but a google search will turn up plenty):

Betelgeuse is a semiregular variable star located approximately 640 light-years from the Earth[5] With an apparent magnitude ranging between 0.3 and 1.2, it is the ninth brightest star in the night sky. Although Betelgeuse has the Bayer designation Alpha Orionis (α Orionis / α Ori), it is most often the second brightest star in the constellation Orion behind α; Rigel (Beta Orionis) is usually brighter (Betelgeuse is a variable star and is on occasion brighter than Rigel). The star marks the upper right vertex of the Winter Triangle and center of the Winter Hexagon.

Betelgeuse is a red supergiant, and one of the largest and most luminous stars known. For comparison, if the star were at the center of our solar system its surface might extend out to between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, wholly engulfing Mercury, Venus, the Earth and Mars. The angular diameter of Betelgeuse was first measured in 1920–1921 by Albert Abraham Michelson and Francis G. Pease using the 100 inch (2.5 m) John D. Hooker astronomical interferometer telescope atop Mount Wilson Observatory.

Astronomers believe Betelgeuse is only a few million years old, but has evolved rapidly because of its high mass.[7] Due to its age, Betelgeuse may supernova within the next millennium (because it is hundreds of light years away, it possibly may have done so already).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.solstation.com]

[link to domeofthesky.com]

[link to earthsky.org]

[link to scienceray.com]
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
Interesting..
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
I've heard this for a while and considering it's in Orion I would imagine that if it went supernova there would be a profound spiritual significance to that....
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
a new star of bethlehem?
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
Several thousand years later, actually a couple hundred years later, Orion established an Eden here from the Orion star system.

In Orion they come from Rigel and Betelgeuse, that’s these systems here [pointing to the Orion Constellation]. The star we call Rigel, the Orion’s name for this planet is “Cyclopisis”. In their tongue, it is called Cyclopisis.

Whenever they go to a formal function of a galactic event where there are other star races there … the proper way that they introduce themselves, and this is what the Andromedans do and apparently it’s tradition and it was done and everyone, whether they are enemies or not have agreed to these specific introduction traditions so that there are no misunderstandings. So they have created traditions and everybody does it, no matter what, this is what they do.

You introduce yourself, you give them your full name, any rank or office, and the star system that you are from. So, “Alex Collier, father (I don’t have a rank or an office), Sol System, Terra 3.” That is how I would properly introduce myself, so whoever it is that I am introducing myself to, knows who I am and where I am from.

If you are an extra-terrestrial, most of them are telepathic, therefore, they are giving the same information but as they are giving the information they are also flashing star maps because that is what is in their head. And the other races immediately acknowledge that because they get all that.

Orion established their first Eden in what is now called “Euromani” China. The date: 763,132 years ago. Shortly thereafter Capella, also part of Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, the Capellans established their first full operational Eden 741,237 years ago and theirs was established at the base of Mt.Yogan in southern Chile.
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interesting to keep an eye on
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
Stupid moron how is light supposed to reach us when this thing is 640 light years away????????????

Wouldn't it take at least 640 years to reach us!!!!!!!!!!
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Stupid moron how is light supposed to reach us when this thing is 640 light years away????????????

Wouldn't it take at least 640 years to reach us!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes. It already happened a long time ago.
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
I've heard this for a while and considering it's in Orion I would imagine that if it went supernova there would be a profound spiritual significance to that....
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
It already has.
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The armpit will did flameout.
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
A regular Nova for a star 520 light years away won't do us any harm.

A SuperNova however ...
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Stupid moron how is light supposed to reach us when this thing is 640 light years away????????????

Wouldn't it take at least 640 years to reach us!!!!!!!!!!
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You Sir, Are RETARDED.

Light Years are measured as a distance... NOT time.

The light we see today from BeetleJuice is from the 1500's.
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
beetlejuice most astronomers think, wouldnt hurt us, since its parallax puts the direction of supernova energy away from us. If it has gone super nova..
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
Stupid moron how is light supposed to reach us when this thing is 640 light years away????????????

Wouldn't it take at least 640 years to reach us!!!!!!!!!!


You Sir, Are RETARDED.

Light Years are measured as a distance... NOT time.

The light we see today from BeetleJuice is from the 1500's.
 Quoting: Skeptic Athiest


prove it
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
Stupid moron how is light supposed to reach us when this thing is 640 light years away????????????

Wouldn't it take at least 640 years to reach us!!!!!!!!!!


You Sir, Are RETARDED.

Light Years are measured as a distance... NOT time.

The light we see today from BeetleJuice is from the 1500's.
 Quoting: Skeptic Athiest





Come again?

1500 + 640 = ??

Are we at 2140 AD already ?
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popcorn
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popcorn
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This is a no popcorn zone. Unbutter your hands and prepare to be tazered.
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popcorn


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And what is your view on this subject?
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
Stupid moron how is light supposed to reach us when this thing is 640 light years away????????????

Wouldn't it take at least 640 years to reach us!!!!!!!!!!


You Sir, Are RETARDED.

Light Years are measured as a distance... NOT time.

The light we see today from BeetleJuice is from the 1500's.


prove it
 Quoting: Path_No_Logical_Ire


Betelgeuse lies some 430 light-years distant. So the light we see from Betelgeuse in the early 21st century left the star in the late 1500s

SOURCE: [link to earthsky.org]

Betelgeuse is a semiregular variable star located approximately 640 light-years from the Earth

SOURCE: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Betelgeuse is a red, supergiant star, Class M2 Ib, at a distance of about 160 parsecs, or 520 light years, approximately.

SOURCE: [link to www.astronomycafe.net]

A light-year is a unit of distance. It is the distance that light can travel in one year. Light moves at a velocity of about 300,000 kilometers (km) each second. So in one year, it can travel about 10 trillion km. More precisely, one light-year is equal to 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.

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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
So what's that other site you found this info from op?
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
Betelgeuse lies some 430 light-years distant. So the light we see from Betelgeuse in the early 21st century left the star in the late 1500s

SOURCE: [link to earthsky.org]

Betelgeuse is a semiregular variable star located approximately 640 light-years from the Earth

SOURCE: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Is it 430 or 640?

Or are you talking about the same star?
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Betelgeuse lies some 430 light-years distant. So the light we see from Betelgeuse in the early 21st century left the star in the late 1500s

SOURCE: [link to earthsky.org]

Betelgeuse is a semiregular variable star located approximately 640 light-years from the Earth

SOURCE: [link to en.wikipedia.org]




Is it 430 or 640?

Or are you talking about the same star?
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Yes, it's the same star. Situated in Orion. They are guestimates of how far away it is.

On another note, thanks OP for the article.

Poor Orion is gonna lose his shoulder if that is true. Pity we won't live to see.

I think I've been watching about this in some program, the irony was that Orion - the hunter, the archer - may actually fire upon is ;)
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
well i heard it was 320,give or take a light year. popcorn
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well i heard it was 320,give or take a light year. popcorn
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It does not matter either way, because we won't get to see it. Maybe 3-5 generations down the line will.
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well i heard it was 320,give or take a light year. popcorn


It does not matter either way, because we won't get to see it. Maybe 3-5 generations down the line will.
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We will not see it in 2012? dang it.
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popcorn


This is a no popcorn zone. Unbutter your hands and prepare to be tazered.



And what is your view on this subject?
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Thank you for asking, brother. My view on the subject is quite simple and straight forward. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that has EVER been announced by mainstream astronomy is 100% Grade A fresh out of the barn BULLBUTTER.

Who named that MF anyway?
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well i heard it was 320,give or take a light year. popcorn


It does not matter either way, because we won't get to see it. Maybe 3-5 generations down the line will.

We will not see it in 2012? dang it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 979782


Unfortunatly not. I would like to see the spectacle myself, but we will all be long gone :(
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well i heard it was 320,give or take a light year. popcorn


It does not matter either way, because we won't get to see it. Maybe 3-5 generations down the line will.
 Quoting: Skeptic Athiest


From what I've read it technically could happen any minute or in 100 years. They just don't know for sure.
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Who named that MF anyway?
The ones that come out at night.
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Re: The star Betelgeuse going supernova soon?
popcorn


This is a no popcorn zone. Unbutter your hands and prepare to be tazered.



And what is your view on this subject?


Thank you for asking, brother. My view on the subject is quite simple and straight forward. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that has EVER been announced by mainstream astronomy is 100% Grade A fresh out of the barn BULLBUTTER.

Who named that MF anyway?
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I believe it's Arabic...sort of... Bet-El- Juis....or something?

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