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Oil FAIL: Major Bad Changes Deep Below...

 
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With my own self-taught scientific background,I have recently come to the same conclusion.

I believe my self-taught scientific background would be important here because as a self-taught scientist, I don't have to believe the mountains of bullshit that today's mainstream scientists have to believe. (Not the least of which is the "scientific fact" that oil is a "fossil fuel" and we are running out of it.)

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it would be nice if this story wasn't so doom...
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Why were they drilling down this deep if they didn't have solid plans to deal with a blowout down there? Arrogance.
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Major Change Down Below... Live Blogging...

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[link to www.correntewire.com]

[link to monkeyfister.blogspot.com]


One poster writes:

If the riser has failed and oil and gas are short-circuiting around the annulus of the borehole, this already bad situation will get a thousand-fold worse in a very short period of time. What will happen is the rushing fluids will erode the borehole, transporting the soft sea-floor sediments away, creating a giant 300-foot deep crater down to the point of failure. This will further decrease the back-pressure (restriction on the pressure) and as that eases the flow-rate will increase, further eroding what is left of the borehole casing. It is a very vicious circle.

This isn't uneducated conjecture, it is based on my experience with flowing wells.

I think very few people have any idea how bad this will get. The damage that is imminent is actually worse than in your worst imaginings. It's quite possible that the entire eco-system of the Gulf of Mexico may collapse.



Is there any other news about a new MAJOR eruption?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 936261


I'm an engineer but without specific well experience. It seems to me that the argument is right in principle.

But the decrease in back-pressure will be relatively minor. The well is, say, 15,000 feet deep, from the sea floor at the top, to the oil and methane reservoir at the bottom. We're talking about erosion at the top 300 feet.

But that is only 300 / 15000 = 2% of the total length of the hole. The effect, fortunately, would not be very great in proportional terms.
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rev 11:18

New Living Translation (©2007)
The nations were filled with wrath, but now the time of your wrath has come. It is time to judge the dead and reward your servants the prophets, as well as your holy people, and all who fear your name, from the least to the greatest. It is time to destroy all who have caused destruction on the earth."



ut oh


Trust a Christian to contribute something completely WORTHLESS!

Keep your book of fairy stories to yourself.
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I don't claim to be a Christian. However, I am a spiritual man as well as a so called, 'educated' man. That said, don't mock what may be a true statement.

Wrath is upon, whether it's God, the Cosmos, or Alien Space Bats.
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I truly hope and pray this destroys the world's oceanic ecosystems and in turn destroys humanity completely.

It is time for God to destroy us as an unworthy incompetent bumbling foolish species. Kill us all and start over again. We do not deserve to exist because all we do is harm the Earth. We are a parasite that is killing its host, and we're too arrogant and egocentric to notice or even care.
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certainly, somehow, God can salvage the human race?
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People that drill holes like that but haven't got a backup plan in case something goes wrong ought to be dealt with rather severely or is it just me?

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People that drill holes like that but haven't got a backup plan in case something wrong ought to be dealt with rather severely or is it just me?

weirdo
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I agree.
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How much oil is down there? it has to run out eventually right? right?


I read it was a caldera the size of Mt. Everest.
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full of methane gas and oil


does anyone realize what this is doing right now to the human consciousness grid?
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The worst problem I see from this erosion is that if it was hard to work on plugging the hole before, it just got a lot harder. I doubt that we can get ROVs (which are the size of large trucks) down into the 300 foot crater.

On the other hand, the pressure per square inch will be less. So maybe some plugging products would work now that would not have worked before, some sort of foam maybe. Just a thought. I don't know of what, specifically, but since nothing worked with narrow pipe / high pressure, let's try some different things with wide opening / lower pressure.
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The worst problem I see from this erosion is that if it was hard to work on plugging the hole before, it just got a lot harder. I doubt that we can get ROVs (which are the size of large trucks) down into the 300 foot crater.

On the other hand, the pressure per square inch will be less. So maybe some plugging products would work now that would not have worked before, some sort of foam maybe. Just a thought. I don't know of what, specifically, but since nothing worked with narrow pipe / high pressure, let's try some different things with wide opening / lower pressure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 913496

Are you an "Engineer" on a model train railroad?
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this could fuck up the whole ecosystem of the sea..

this is so fkd up!

another do
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You'll notice that when the MSM reports on this potential global-disaster what they are all AVOIDING are those slick CGI graphics that illustrate what the global oceans may be like in 2-3 years. Assuming we make it THAT far and avoid some form of solar, volcanic or nuclear holocaust, that is...

We've all seen them: those little :20 clips that show how quickly a virus can spread around the globe? They used them extensively during the entire H1N1 hoax. The trouble is... this is NO hoax!

What they are terrified of showing is a world where this oil quickly spreads across not only the American NE seaboard, but then across the Atlantic to poison the waterways of Gibraltar and English Channel; then on into the Mediterranean to attack Europe's coastlines. And: that's still only the BEGINNING!

As our graphic would undoubtably show, when the oil chokes off the vast surfaces of an ocean and major seas, the global weather patterns would soon react to the lack of Oxygen generated through the once-natural processes. Think there are violent storms now? Just watch some more of our graphic...

The smooth animation depicts countless tonnes of decaying sealife, miles of rotting coastal vegetation littered with the derelict hulls of rusting cargo ships, splintered fishing boats and empty piers and booms. Then -inland- entire towns/cities abandoned due to the toxic fumes generated by the foul surface atmosphere. And: of course, this toxic atmosphere will slowly permeate further and further inland like the Biblical plagues of Moses until all living creatures are affected. It will also further poison the Earth's upper atmosphere hastening our planet's demise.

Our animation abruptly ends when finally, the earth's entire atmosphere is completely destroyed. But, long before that, our narrator reassures us... we will already be long gone.


You want doom? We may be watching it unfold right before our eyes and there's not a single human thing we can do to stop it.
 Quoting: gsbltd



is this why the media has so far been downplaying this disasteR?
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this could fuck up the whole ecosystem of the sea..
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It already has and will continue to do so. The full impact will not be realized for some time. When people do realize it, there will be unbridled fury.
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world is such a effed up place now
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How much oil is down there? it has to run out eventually right? right?


I read it was a caldera the size of Mt. Everest.



full of methane gas and oil


does anyone realize what this is doing right now to the human consciousness grid?
 Quoting: Me114



yea..the ugly truth can no longer be hiddin


nad ions are gathering by the bazillions!
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I truly hope and pray this destroys the world's oceanic ecosystems and in turn destroys humanity completely.

It is time for God to destroy us as an unworthy incompetent bumbling foolish species. Kill us all and start over again. We do not deserve to exist because all we do is harm the Earth. We are a parasite that is killing its host, and we're too arrogant and egocentric to notice or even care.


although I don't wish we are destroyed this recent display of arrogance and greed shows that we deserve otherwise. I hate that your post is right but it is sad too_sadverysad


Don't cave in to this defeatist attitude,....it's only purpose is to promote DEATH.

I say do what Homo Sapiens are originally born to do and excell at, SERVIVING ON PLANET EARTH ,FUCK everybody else.
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Spoken like a true dinosaur.
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With the entire world at stake, why are we all letting BP twiddle their thumbs????!!!!
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I truly hope and pray this destroys the world's oceanic ecosystems and in turn destroys humanity completely.

It is time for God to destroy us as an unworthy incompetent bumbling foolish species. Kill us all and start over again. We do not deserve to exist because all we do is harm the Earth. We are a parasite that is killing its host, and we're too arrogant and egocentric to notice or even care.



certainly, somehow, God can salvage the human race?
 Quoting: Me114


What with The Flood and Sodom and Gomorra and lots of those Old Testament prophet's warnings, seems god takes a dim view of unbridled idiocy and greed and hedonism and the like.

The human race is doing the Darwinian self-selection thing right now.
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Shame about the hedonism part, eh
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You should have posted this on Gabriels Thread:

Thread: THE UNPINNED BP WEB CAM STORY OF OUR LIFETIMES: UPDATE.... Oil washes onto big Mississippi tourist beach (Page 95)

lots of great info there

Gabriel is a whiny bitch.
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Well, I guess that explains why she has only been pinned on and off for the last couple days with almost 100 pages. Some like bitches. Some don't.
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On the other hand, the pressure per square inch will be less. So maybe some plugging products would work now that would not have worked before, some sort of foam maybe. Just a thought. I don't know of what, specifically, but since nothing worked with narrow pipe / high pressure, let's try some different things with wide opening / lower pressure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 913496



Got a news flash for you. About 30,000feet below the sea floor is a pool of gas and oil they say is the size of Mt Everest. The blithering idiots at BP drilled a nice steel lined hole somewhere around 10inches (maybe as big as 20inches) in diameter into that highly pressurized area. The pressure at the outlet of that hole near the sea floor..is a MINIMUM of about 14,000 pounds per square inch. (basic physics enables that calculation) The pressure could be much higher... some have said as high as 100,000psi but I am going with around 30,000. The equipment they had on the sea floor was only rated at about 15,000psi. First stupid mistake other than drilling the well into that reservoir from an offshore platform in the first place. So no matter whether you are on the sea floor..or in a 300ft deep crater on the sea floor, you have a relatively small pipe with HUGE pressure behind it.

There is nothing you can fill that crater with that will stop a flow at that much pressure. So what will happen if it is not stopped is that it will flow until the pressure above and below is equalized.. and water will flow down into the well where the temperature is over 400 degrees... it will turn into steam and who knows what will happen after that.

I believe the only option is to drill a hole about 3 or 4 thousand feet deep next to the existing well.. have the military put a low yield nuclear device at the bottom...seal off the hole above it and detonate it. That will shatter the surrounding rock, collapse the out of control well next to it and stop the flow. The Russians have done it 5 times successfully.
"Any treatment, regardless of its effectiveness will be suppressed by Big Pharma if they cannot profit from it" A quote from and in memory of my good friend JAB who was the Ultimate Big Pharma Insider.
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We should be more focused on the war in the middle east







JOking
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No you're wrong..........baseball
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rev 11:18

New Living Translation (©2007)
The nations were filled with wrath, but now the time of your wrath has come. It is time to judge the dead and reward your servants the prophets, as well as your holy people, and all who fear your name, from the least to the greatest. It is time to destroy all who have caused destruction on the earth."



ut oh


Trust a Christian to contribute something completely WORTHLESS!

Keep your book of fairy stories to yourself.



I don't claim to be a Christian. However, I am a spiritual man as well as a so called, 'educated' man. That said, don't mock what may be a true statement.

Wrath is upon, whether it's God, the Cosmos, or Alien Space Bats.
 Quoting: American Jedi 975152
I agree. Disasters are happening, and religious belief or lack of it doesn't change a thing.

If we're being punished by anyone, I'd say it's Mother Nature or a spirit of the earth. Our crimes are more against Her than against the Biblical god.
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Just how far away to we need to get?? Which direction???
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Kansas or Ok-far enough from Yellowstone, but not directly on the fault line.
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Major explosions that may have collapsed the sea floor around the leaking oil are being reported on another GLP thread:

Thread: Breaking News: Huge Explosions Have Collapsed Seafloor Beneath BOP Well Head......

Everytime the current changes and oil crud blows into the camera it's exploding and collapsing the seabed....prolly the 20th time THAT has happened already...

There is ZERO reason to flip out over silly shit...ZOMFG it's INTO A VOLCANO!!!! AHHHH!!!!! ORBS floating, frikkin sea monsters, commander Krylon the alien controlling the shit from his star cruiser parked above it and it's all in a NASA pool because the light looks funny when I have never seen and work lit area of a a sea floor in my life...or whateva. ......there is enough real danger staring us all in the face for a change....so keep your shit together....
 Quoting: SHR


And this one before the explosion ever happened. It was amazing to see the live chat in the moment of peoples reactions. So many explosions since Sat that led up to the mother load.

Thread: THE UNPINNED BP WEB CAM STORY OF OUR LIFETIMES: UPDATE.... Oil washes onto big Mississippi tourist beach (Page 98)
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Does anyone remember the weird poster a few weeks ago who kept saying, "After May 23rd, nothing will matter?"
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YES but who was it?
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Does anyone remember the weird poster a few weeks ago who kept saying, "After May 23rd, nothing will matter?"

YES but who was it?
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This guy I think [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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On the other hand, the pressure per square inch will be less. So maybe some plugging products would work now that would not have worked before, some sort of foam maybe. Just a thought. I don't know of what, specifically, but since nothing worked with narrow pipe / high pressure, let's try some different things with wide opening / lower pressure.



Got a news flash for you. About 30,000feet below the sea floor is a pool of gas and oil they say is the size of Mt Everest. The blithering idiots at BP drilled a nice steel lined hole somewhere around 10inches (maybe as big as 20inches) in diameter into that highly pressurized area. The pressure at the outlet of that hole near the sea floor..is a MINIMUM of about 14,000 pounds per square inch. (basic physics enables that calculation) The pressure could be much higher... some have said as high as 100,000psi but I am going with around 30,000. The equipment they had on the sea floor was only rated at about 15,000psi. First stupid mistake other than drilling the well into that reservoir from an offshore platform in the first place. So no matter whether you are on the sea floor..or in a 300ft deep crater on the sea floor, you have a relatively small pipe with HUGE pressure behind it.

There is nothing you can fill that crater with that will stop a flow at that much pressure. So what will happen if it is not stopped is that it will flow until the pressure above and below is equalized.. and water will flow down into the well where the temperature is over 400 degrees... it will turn into steam and who knows what will happen after that.

I believe the only option is to drill a hole about 3 or 4 thousand feet deep next to the existing well.. have the military put a low yield nuclear device at the bottom...seal off the hole above it and detonate it. That will shatter the surrounding rock, collapse the out of control well next to it and stop the flow. The Russians have done it 5 times successfully.
 Quoting: expat2368

OK Mr. Newsflash, nothing there I didn't know weeks ago ...

The pressure at the top of the pipe was reported as 14,000 psi, before they stopped giving numbers at all. I don't know if that's accurate, but it could be, because you have viscous loss from 3 miles of pipe. The pressure under flow could drop from whatever it is in the reservoir, say 30,000, to 14,000 over that length of pipe. There might be some compressibility of the fluid, and certainly of the gas, that would give a pressure drop across the volume of the 3 miles of pipe.

And if the pressure is 14,000 psi across 100 square inches, it is only about 1400 psi if the fluid flow expands to 1000 square inches of area.

The idea of the foam (again this is just conceptual; I don't know that such a product exists, but I don't know of a principled reason why it could not) is that it could set in the upper part of the crater, once the fluid flow has spread out somewhat, decompressed, and perhaps even gotten clogged somewhat by methane hydrate crystals that form as temperature and pressure drop.

It's always easier to say nothing will work than to come up with ideas that might. Mine probably won't work either, but I have hope.





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