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WESTALL UFO AUSTRALIA

 
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I'd like to see a 1966 map with all of the possible landing sites marked by the witnesses.
In the documentary, witnesses recall a tractor being driven around the perimeter of the field, on guard-duty perhaps. Other witnesses recall running there from the school, it cannot have been far, passing through pine trees and then crossing a fence to gain access to the open field where the craft had landed.

The reference to Pines is perhaps what has confused many people, the area was thick with pine trees in those days, I remember there being a carpet of pine needles everywhere. So when witnesses talk about pines, did others confuse that with the area that was known as 'The Pines?'

So, what is known is that there was an open field where the craft apparently landed, with long grass at least a foot or more in height (was it a planted crop or was it wild grass?), and the grass had been flattened into a circle.

There must have been some sort of access road nearby, as the reports state that trucks and an ambulance arrived within 20 minutes. There was a boundary fence of some sort around the field, and alongside this fence there were pine trees. The witnesses report running through the pine trees to get to the site.

I can only think of four possible sites, all close to the area now known as 'The Grange'.

One possible site is now a soccer ground, another is now occupied by a factory at the end of the Westall side of Osbourne Ave.

Another site is now occupied by what appears to be some sort of quarry or landfill. It is now bounded by the factory site to the north, the soccer ground and 'The Grange Reserve' to the east.
The 1966 aerial photos show a cluster of buildings amongst a few trees, surrounded by an open area. Is this where the tractor came from?

There must have been easy access for the children, would they have crossed a market garden? I doubt it.

Finally, the fourth site could be within the area now bounded by Westall Rd, Glenmorgan Close and Osbourne Avenue.
This was a large area, used by the school for cross-country running. There were open areas, with boundary fences, and pine trees. Directly south of the school, and it does have vehicle access. Was it also known as 'The Grange'?

I have noticed that Alex's annotations to one of the aerial maps marks the area now known as 'The Grange Reserve' as The Pines. He has marked 'The Grange' as being further east, bounded by Westall Rd.

I would think that the actual landing site, if ever confirmed, would have been built on by now.
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I'd like to see a 1966 map with all of the possible landing sites marked by the witnesses.
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I would think that the actual landing site, if ever confirmed, would have been built on by now.
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Mortal,

Thank you for your post regarding the landing location(s) for the 1966 Westall Flying Saucer Incident...your comments are both astute and very helpful.

The precise location of the landing(s) at The Grange are not known (by me, at least). About four locations can be identified as likely, according to witness accounts, and probably allowing for more than one landing by perhaps more than one flying saucer! There is also a landing location — attested to by several witnesses — over the western boundary fence of Westall High School, where Brady Avenue is now, about halfway between Rosebank Avenue and Fairbank Road. Brady Avenue was not there in 1966 - it was a paddock at that time.

As for The Grange landing locations, the most commonly attested ones are:

1. Near 136 Osborne Avenue, Clayton South, where The Grange Reserve is now. Some people place it in the paddock - still there today - between the street and the entrance to the heathland reserve; some people place it closer to the entrance to the heathland reserve, on one or the other side of the gate/fence that is there today. Some others put it in other nearby areas, such as where the soccer ground is now, or inside what it is now the heathland reserve.
2. Near Monash Drive, Clayton South, between Ricki Court and Fury Court, where houses are now. This area was open, grassy paddocks at the time. The ruins of an old house, surrounded by a cypress windbreak were nearby - some people called this Mario's place.
3. West of The Grange Reserve, and south-west of the soccer ground, where a land-fill is now. This was a grassy paddock, and was on the property of the farm owned by a Mr Gerlach.

I am still working at pinpointing with more accuracy the location of the circle(s), but this is mostly dependant upon the memories of witnesses.

Most Westall students have referred to The Pines as the area at the western end of The Grange property which stretched from Westall Road in the east to the Gerlach farm (where the landfill is now) in the west. Remnants of those pine trees are still there today, and make up the core of the present-day Grange Reserve (which includes the adjacent heathland reserve). There was another copse of pines that surrounded the ruins of the original Richmond Grange house - which gave its name to this property - at a spot close to Westall Road, near where Murchison Crescent and Spring Valley Drive intersect today. Those pines surrounded the house (gone by 1966) and the drive leading to it from Westall Road. This is clearly visible in the 1966 aerial photo.

If you have a look at the Westall Yahoo Groups web site you will see there are a lot of posts there (as well as photos, maps etc) concerned with trying to work out where the circles were, see: [link to tech.groups.yahoo.com]

I hope this helps...and do please let me know if you find out any more yourself about this.

Regards,

Shane.
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There must have been some sort of access road nearby, as the reports state that trucks and an ambulance arrived within 20 minutes. There was a boundary fence of some sort around the field, and alongside this fence there were pine trees. The witnesses report running through the pine trees to get to the site.

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As for access to The Grange - where the circle was - some people have said they ran down the dirt track from Fairbank Road to The Pines - past the house ruins with the cypress wind break. Others say they went down Osborne Avenue, which was dirt beyond Culshaw Avenue, having gone down Culshaw or Worsley Avenue first. Some just remember running through paddocks on the southern side of Fairbank Road. These dirt tracks also provided vehicular access. Other access tracks led in from Westall Road, closer to the old Richmond Grange ruins...an area that was being used as a motorcross racing track in those days.

The reference to an ambulance is to an ambulance attending to a student at Westall High School, not down at The Grange.

A fire crew from Springvale Fire Station, and a Civil Defence Organisation crew from Oakleigh Depot, did attend at The Grange however. Many witnesses have reported seeing police and military people at the location of the circle, and at the high school.

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Shane.
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I have created and uploaded new map, using the 66 aerial photo and a Google Earth map overlayed on top with a 50% transparency.
The possible sites you have described to me have been outlined.
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I have created and uploaded new map, using the 66 aerial photo and a Google Earth map overlayed on top with a 50% transparency.
The possible sites you have described to me have been outlined.
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Thanks Mortal,

That looks great - you've done a fine job there.
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I think it is interesting how everyone that says they were there, and viewed the landing site, have different memories as to where it was.
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The documentary Westall '66 A Suburban Mystery screening at the Byron Bay Film Festival, NSW Australia.
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You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.



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The documentary Westall '66 A Suburban Mystery screening at the Byron Bay Film Festival, NSW Australia.
[link to www.bbff.com.au]
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people will love this when they see it everyone does.
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The documentary Westall '66 A Suburban Mystery screening at the Byron Bay Film Festival, NSW Australia.
[link to www.bbff.com.au]
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people will love this when they see it everyone does.
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Thank you Black Ninja...very kind words.

The documentary has just screened at the Byron Bay International Film Festival in New South Wales and the International UFO Congress Film Festival in Arizona. This Saturday it will screen at the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Film Festival in Athens. So, the film is beginning to get around.

We are still hopeful of a free-to-air TV broadcast in Australia (it was on pay TV last year), which would hopefully bring many more witnesses out of the woodwork.

Cheers,

Shane.
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The documentary Westall '66 A Suburban Mystery screening at the Byron Bay Film Festival, NSW Australia.
[link to www.bbff.com.au]
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people will love this when they see it everyone does.
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Thank you Black Ninja...very kind words.

The documentary has just screened at the Byron Bay International Film Festival in New South Wales and the International UFO Congress Film Festival in Arizona. This Saturday it will screen at the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Film Festival in Athens. So, the film is beginning to get around.

We are still hopeful of a free-to-air TV broadcast in Australia (it was on pay TV last year), which would hopefully bring many more witnesses out of the woodwork.

Cheers,

Shane.
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how did it go at the film festivals ?
and has anyone made a freedom of information enquiry about this case if so what was there reply?

sorry about all the questions shane but you have to know more about this than anyone.

the girl that went missing does anyone recall her name and last name?

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how did it go at the film festivals ?
and has anyone made a freedom of information enquiry about this case if so what was there reply?

sorry about all the questions shane but you have to know more about this than anyone.

the girl that went missing does anyone recall her name and last name?


G'day there!

The director tells me the audience was a big one - and a very interested one - at the Byron Bay Film Festival in New South Wales. Great Q&A afterwards. The film was nominated for "best film (under one hour)" at the International UFO Congress Film Festival in Arizona, which was an honour. Haven't heard any feedback yet about the film festival in Athens, which has just wrapped up.

Lots of people have asked about Tanya, and I have written about her on the Facebook page for the 1966 Westall Flying Saucer Incident, see here: [link to www.facebook.com] There has been discussion about her, and other witnesses, on the Yahoo Groups page as well, see here: [link to tech.groups.yahoo.com]

Essentially, the girl named by Jacquie in the film, and remembered and named by other witnesses who do not appear in the film, has been found. She is alive and well. Her memories of the incident, however, are not very clear...but the director, who has met and spoken with her several times, is keeping the channel of communication open, in the hope that more information might be forthcoming in the future, if Tanya is willing, and able. Two other students have also been named by a witness as having been badly effected by what they saw that day. One student I have located, but as she received shock-therapy as a teenager she says that her memory of her school years is almost completely missing. I am trying to stay in contact with her in case any memories return - if there are any to return. The other student I have not been able to locate. It has been suggested that both these students also received medical care as a result of the flying saucer incident, as has been suggested of Tanya.

Hospital records cannot be checked by me due to privacy concerns; ambulance records are not kept for that long a period, I have been told by the ambulance service. I am still trying to contact the ambulance officers who may have responded that day to Westall High School, but this is proving to be a difficult task.

Much depends on individuals coming forward to researchers (such as myself) and talking about what happened all those years ago. Even after more than five years of research, there are still many witnesses out there who probably don't know about my research or the film. I have managed to contact almost 200 former Westall High School students (and almost 50 Westall State School students), but this represents about half of the total high school student population - so there's still a long way to go! I am doing this on my own, in my own time, using my own resources, so it's bot of a long, drawn-out process - but a very rewarding one I must say!

I do hope that any witnesses reading this, or any of the other threads dealing with the Westall incident on GLP, or elsewhere, will feel comfortable to share what they remember, or at least contact me to communicate with me confidentially, as some witnesses have preferred to do.

Cheers,

Shane.
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would hypnotism or any other known method bring memories back after shock therapy or are they gone for good i wonder ?

i was reading that abot 70% of patients consent to shock therapy does she remember if she gave consent?

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maybe she wasnt an adult at the time to give corect consent
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ive been looking into victorian ufo cases in australia and there seems to be a reasonable level of ufo activity in the area with the more convincing cases roughly 10 years apart
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WOW..
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Youtube

Westall UFO mystery documented...
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I watched this documentary on the Sci Fi channel. It it an important case that should not be overlooked.
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There was a HUGE cover up. The US military intervened and told the children to keep quiet about what they witnessed. The whole event was hushed up and nobody spoke of it until much later. There are way too many witnesses and I believe what they saw was real.
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It was the Teletubbies, not other wordly beings.
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Maybe it was ALF?
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There was a HUGE cover up. The US military intervened and told the children to keep quiet about what they witnessed. The whole event was hushed up and nobody spoke of it until much later. There are way too many witnesses and I believe what they saw was real.
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It's amazing how far the US military will actually go to cover up something. They intimidated small children, called them liars and even forced teachers to keep quiet. I remember one child passed out from witnessing the UFO. She did not return to school the next day and was never seen again. There were 2 crop circles but thankfully no abductions. We can't trust aliens, I believe they are evil.
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There was a HUGE cover up. The US military intervened and told the children to keep quiet about what they witnessed. The whole event was hushed up and nobody spoke of it until much later. There are way too many witnesses and I believe what they saw was real.
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It's amazing how far the US military will actually go to cover up something. They intimidated small children, called them liars and even forced teachers to keep quiet. I remember one child passed out from witnessing the UFO. She did not return to school the next day and was never seen again. There were 2 crop circles but thankfully no abductions. We can't trust aliens, I believe they are evil.
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If I went to that school I would do a mass investigation on the little girl who went missing.. But for mine it could had been some military drill that went wrong.. But in this weird world you never really know..
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There is a fairly new tasmanian site about ufo's, Nibiru and stuff. Worth a look. Drop by and say Hi. I only found it a coupla days ago. Bit slow in getting people to join and reply to posts. But information they have is okay.
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There is a fairly new tasmanian site about ufo's, Nibiru and stuff. Worth a look. Drop by and say Hi. I only found it a coupla days ago. Bit slow in getting people to join and reply to posts. But information they have is okay.
[link to www.tasskypatrol.com]
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cheers...
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It's amazing how far the US military will actually go to cover up something. They intimidated small children, called them liars and even forced teachers to keep quiet. I remember one child passed out from witnessing the UFO. She did not return to school the next day and was never seen again. There were 2 crop circles but thankfully no abductions. We can't trust aliens, I believe they are evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1475087


Were you a student at Westall High School? If so, I would love to hear from you...either via GLP or via the "Westall '66" web site, or via the Westall Facebook or Yahoo Groups pages.

Shane.

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