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TOP KILL SHOT WATCH. LIVE COVERAGE ! *UPDATE - "CRITICAL SETBACK"!!! NEW GIANT OIL PLUME SEEN IN GULF 22 MILES TO ALABAMA! PAGE 130

 
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The hope is that the weight of the very long column of mud in the very deep well will be enough to hold the oil down once the mud reaches all the way down the well into the oil reserve. The mud is much denser and heavier than the oil. They have to force the mud into the small inlets into the BOP midsection hard and fast enough so that it not only stops the oil coming up but also forces it back down into the well. The oil reserve is very deep below the Gulf sea floor, so the height of this very long column of mud in the well will be very heavy.

The mud will be going in two directions when they do the top kill attempt. It will be forcing down on the oil into the well, and will also be shooting up and out the top of the BOP into the riser pipe and we should see(at least in the beginning) mud instead of oil coming out of the riser pipe.

Questions:
- Will the mud column in the well be heavy enough to hold down the oil and the pressure of the oil forcing up? They dont know yet.

- Will the top kill blow the kink in the riser pipe at the top of the BOP so that the riser pipe is then completely open at the top of the BOP? If it does, we are going from bad to worse because the kink in the riser at the top of the BOP is restricting the flow somewhat right now.

I hate to sound pessimistic, but I dont have a strong feeling that this top kill will work.

This is my very basic understanding of what is going on. if anyone has any corrections, please feel free to do so.






Also, they may not show the end of the riser pipe during the top kill. They may pull the ROV's back. Im not sure. The reason for this is that right now they can show the oil coming out because it rises because its lighter than water, so the water stays clear to the sides where the ROV currently is. However, the mud will be heavier than water, and will also be coming out very forcefully, and will probably obscure the view all around into a murky mess.
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Tony Hayward just said on CNN that it "might" start later

And now they have reduced this from 60-70% chance it will work to 40%

And he said, for the first time I have heard it that the BOP is laying on the seafloor

Then they talked to the Homeland Security Chief for Louisiana and he said they want to start the cleanup and protection with sand barriers and let BP pay for it..

He said specifically "we need to do something now because this is going to go on for 2 or 3 months"

Does he know for sure it wont work???

Because the BOP is actually laying on the seafloor..
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This will get interesting and it does seem to be flowing faster than before:

[link to newsusa.myfeedportal.com]
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please remind me, in this context what does BOP mean?
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You lot aint gonna see jack shit...
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Stop kidding yourselves.


But thanks for trying to keep the pricks honest.



My bet is the feed is delayed,
The killshot has been attempted already,
and failed,
And they preparing to msm damage control
whilst we all sitting here still wondering
hoping
it works.
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THIS IS THE CAM TO WATCH from the other Thread:

[link to www.wkrg.com]
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BP to Whitehouse: "We're almost ready, but it may be a big flop. Ya got any good wars on standby in case?

Whitehouse to BP: "Not to worry, good buddy. We got a buncha them simmering on the backburner. Give us the word when you fail, and we'll fire one of'em up. Signing out for some golf, I'm on vacation."
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Also, is it logical that the ROV/Camera itself will be in danger of damage from this operation? Is that thing in a fixed position or can it move itself out of the way?
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Re: TOP KILL SHOT WATCH. LIVE COVERAGE ! *UPDATE - "CRITICAL SETBACK"!!! NEW GIANT OIL PLUME SEEN IN GULF 22 MILES TO ALABAMA! PAGE 130
please remind me, in this context what does BOP mean?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 568981


blowout Preventer

big big big bit of machinery that was ment to stop the leak but didnt because the battery was flat and a giant epic scale clusterfuck ensured leading to the current situation,

BPs last hope.. yes the entire hope on fixing this is dealing with the sandblasted, fucked up..cracked, fractured bit of machinery that failed to work in the first place

without it, its a mortal wound in the seafloor
with it.. its just scenery anyway

good doom?

sure is..
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Live feed is starting to get a little active...debris and shit blowing around.
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THIS IS THE CAM TO WATCH from the other Thread:

[link to www.wkrg.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 982152

That is riser pipe away from BOP...
That is not BOP.
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I just got on and have such a bad feeling about this.
Can't shake the feeling we are all just being played.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 921877


apparently there's a 30-40% chance of failure according to them, it's never been done under the ocean before, and if it fails it could make it far worse than it already is.

Last Edited by 1-2-Follow on 05/26/2010 08:51 AM
"As of 10:18 a.m. EST, on the 23rd day of July, I officially declare this the day your DOW DOOM died. 9000 has just been breached." - the 1-2

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®
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that brown shit coming out and filling the area, it looks heavier than oil, would that be the "mud" they put in simply going in one end and coming out the other with no effect what so ever yea?
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something was stirring up the dirt big time a minute ago
"As of 10:18 a.m. EST, on the 23rd day of July, I officially declare this the day your DOW DOOM died. 9000 has just been breached." - the 1-2

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

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You lot aint gonna see jack shit...
.
.
.
..
.

.
.
Stop kidding yourselves.


But thanks for trying to keep the pricks honest.



My bet is the feed is delayed,
The killshot has been attempted already,
and failed,
And they preparing to msm damage control
whilst we all sitting here still wondering
hoping
it works.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 971805


I believe you are spot on about this.
Watching and Waiting
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TY. hf
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Also, is it logical that the ROV/Camera itself will be in danger of damage from this operation? Is that thing in a fixed position or can it move itself out of the way?
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It can move away. But speed of action may be a problem.
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THIS IS THE CAM TO WATCH from the other Thread:

[link to www.wkrg.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 982152


that's the same feed.
"As of 10:18 a.m. EST, on the 23rd day of July, I officially declare this the day your DOW DOOM died. 9000 has just been breached." - the 1-2

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

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You lot aint gonna see jack shit...
.
.
.
..
.

.
.
Stop kidding yourselves.


But thanks for trying to keep the pricks honest.



My bet is the feed is delayed,
The killshot has been attempted already,
and failed,
And they preparing to msm damage control
whilst we all sitting here still wondering
hoping
it works.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 971805



That's what I was thinking. They were showing robotic arms releasing pressure last night, and kept the waters very dark (which some posters took to be loads of dispersants) but it is very possible they attempted kill shot last night and discovered the BOP is fubared and there's no way to do the procedure.

Bad news but I'm really starting to understand there's going to be massive change as a result of this thing.

Coastal evacuations could easily become a reality here.
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Tony Hayward just said on CNN that it "might" start later

And now they have reduced this from 60-70% chance it will work to 40%

And he said, for the first time I have heard it that the BOP is laying on the seafloor

Then they talked to the Homeland Security Chief for Louisiana and he said they want to start the cleanup and protection with sand barriers and let BP pay for it..

He said specifically "we need to do something now because this is going to go on for 2 or 3 months"

Does he know for sure it wont work???

Because the BOP is actually laying on the seafloor..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 981643


Watched him talk and from his body language it's a no go!

It looks pretty good and we might go today - don't think it will happen.


ice
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Certainly seeing blasts of orange/brown particles the past few minutes.
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THIS IS THE CAM TO WATCH from the other Thread:

[link to www.wkrg.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 982152


or the one direct from BP, which is what that above is also:

[link to www.bp.com]
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The BP direct feed is much smoother than the other one for me. That looks like either mud or another oil plume from one of the other leaks. Have there been any estimates lately of how much oil is leaking per day. I believe it has gotten worse since the last ~100k barrels judgment based on video was made.
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You lot aint gonna see jack shit...
.
.
.
..
.

.
.
Stop kidding yourselves.


But thanks for trying to keep the pricks honest.



My bet is the feed is delayed,
The killshot has been attempted already,
and failed,
And they preparing to msm damage control
whilst we all sitting here still wondering
hoping
it works.



That's what I was thinking. They were showing robotic arms releasing pressure last night, and kept the waters very dark (which some posters took to be loads of dispersants) but it is very possible they attempted kill shot last night and discovered the BOP is fubared and there's no way to do the procedure.

Bad news but I'm really starting to understand there's going to be massive change as a result of this thing.

Coastal evacuations could easily become a reality here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 977366




I agree 100%

they did something last night and I am sure they got a feel for today

the feel they got was a no go



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A lot of oil and mud right now, a big vortex!

They've also moved the camera for 2 seconds, showing pipes laying around...
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Certainly seeing blasts of orange/brown particles the past few minutes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 963695


The orange/brown globs look like the older oil that is being found under the surface far away from the leak. Its the old stuff that has been put into suspension by the dispersant.
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Someone forward this to BP, or Barry for me?...

I got an idea if the top kill fails. We got lots of seriously obese kids here, after they fell for the 'eat a McD for every meal' scam. I'm sure it would only take one to wedge that gusher hole tigher than a beaver's butt, but we can ship you several thousand out, just to be sure. It would have the added advantage of making more room for our 'non-EU' immigrant cousins too, so I'm sure our lovely coalition government would expedite the necessary visas.

Just trying to be helpful. tounge
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I am seriously not being an arsehole, but.. it shares alot of similar aspects at this point in time



saddly.. thats reality and it fucking sucks that it is
this shit should be the domain of movies and fantasy.. it isnt

I for one am rather pissed at the whole thing
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I can't see the little straw they had in the end of the riser pipe anymore. Did it get blown out in the explosion the other day?
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WOULD YOU expecrt to stop a FAST moving stream with MUD?

Of course not. Kust a delaying tactic, while the BP big shots pack their bags, cleanout their bank accounts, transfer money to Bongo Bongo and create NEW identities !

AND, it DOESN'T address the LARGE PLUMES of HEAVY CRUDE on the Gulf floor, and moving to the Atlantic Ocean !

Laugh of the month, HA HA HA HA HA !

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