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TOP KILL WILL NOT WORK

 
Ice
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The weight of the MUD has to equal or be greater than the force of the well. They are losing a load of pressure through those leaks. They haven't been able to get enough MUD weight in the well to overcome the well pressure yet, because if they had it would be cement time and you wouldn't see anything leaking from those holes. Time will tell, but it looks to be in vain.


good post and you are thinking it out

after they started with what they are calling the Top Kill they had to know the well DP pressure

they worked for a week rebuilding the BOP the best they could with the ROVs

they knew that they would hit the BOP and piping with extra pressure

they are now pumping the mud at a positive pressure vs well head DP pressure allowing mud to flow positive into the well head

of course your going to see massive mud flow at a higher rate than the oil flow you saw before they started this process

they are trying to weight the well head to gain some well head pressure control and then start the cement process





they have heavy mud and they also have a well that because it is positive venting is as substantialy higher pressure than the sea at that depth

as such in order to stop the leak they need to push in enough mud to overcome the Delta P of the well

fine if they start hafway down the "straw" as the positive pressure willpush the mud up the straw until sufficient mud head is in place.

Hwever they are startin near the uncapped top of the straw.

i.e. near the opening to sea

how are they going to pump enough material in to overcome the oil pressure when they have an opening nearer to the mud insertion point that is at far lower pressure. All the mud will take the path of least resistance and flow straight back out of the lower pressure opening.
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how are they going to pump enough material in to overcome the oil pressure when they have an opening nearer to the mud insertion point that is at far lower pressure. All the mud will take the path of least resistance and flow straight back out of the lower pressure opening.


great question that cuts to the core of the issue


the flow restriction of the BOP has to be smaller than than the well

a balance of flow

if the vents we see leaking on the live cams or smaller than the flow being pumped that would mean the excess flow would be going into the well head

do I have those facts ? no

I would hope BP does and more is going into the well head than leaking out the vents or leaks we are seeing
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thanks for sharing OP. other than timewave...this also made me think of the georgia guidestones. very creepy.
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05/27/2010 08:13 AM

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The weight of the MUD has to equal or be greater than the force of the well. They are losing a load of pressure through those leaks. They haven't been able to get enough MUD weight in the well to overcome the well pressure yet, because if they had it would be cement time and you wouldn't see anything leaking from those holes. Time will tell, but it looks to be in vain.


good post and you are thinking it out

after they started with what they are calling the Top Kill they had to know the well DP pressure

they worked for a week rebuilding the BOP the best they could with the ROVs

they knew that they would hit the BOP and piping with extra pressure

they are now pumping the mud at a positive pressure vs well head DP pressure allowing mud to flow positive into the well head

of course your going to see massive mud flow at a higher rate than the oil flow you saw before they started this process

they are trying to weight the well head to gain some well head pressure control and then start the cement process


Thanks ice, I'm across the gulf here at Gulf Shores, so I hope they get it stopped and maybe clean up what's coming on shore or left in the water. This has been and will be some more job to undertake.
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I go to Gulf Shores often

we can hope and pray this works

it is our best hope
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05/27/2010 08:16 AM
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WHAT.....


THE......


FUCK?!?!


IT THE SAME SHIT HAPPEN BEFORE?!?!?!


I TOLD YOU EVERYONE, WE WILL NEVER LEARN EVEN IF THIS FIXED!!!!!!!!!!
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05/27/2010 08:39 AM
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sheesh...if someone speaks truth, i don't care who or what they are or how they look
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Exactly. I don't know who Rachael Maddow is, but I thought this was an excellent video. The correlations between the two events are eerie. And nothing has changed except the depth.
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05/27/2010 08:45 AM
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we are royally screwed rofl

grats on the pin! 5a

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05/27/2010 08:54 AM
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05/27/2010 08:57 AM
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We're screwed...royally. Imagine 9 months of this.



 Quoting: EnemyofMan



they used salt water back then and now they are using drilling mudd. we shall see
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05/27/2010 09:04 AM
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It looks like it is working.....


Rachel Maddow pinned? God help us

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05/27/2010 09:08 AM
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i can't see this video...can someone please tell me where the link can be accessed. thanks.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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so...relief wells may be the only solution.
and lots of praying...
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We're screwed...royally. Imagine 9 months of this.






they used salt water back then and now they are using drilling mudd. we shall see
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983331

isn't bentonite used in drilling mud ??
isn't it sticky ??
clings to oil maybe ??
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05/27/2010 09:15 AM
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Also...

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

and..

[link to pesn.com]


The truth is surfacing.. the only weird thing is that most of it is coming straight from the MSM... Scares the shit out of me!
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you should make its own thread for the msnbc interview
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Just broke on FoxNews that the top kill is a success.
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05/27/2010 09:18 AM
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well that leak was like in 170' deep.. this one is a mile deep...
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Well I wonder why they have to go out and drill in such deep waters in the first place. It couldn't be because of the environmental nazi's that fought so hard to keep the drilling away from our shores could it?
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Fox news reporting that bp states the top kill is working.! cementing to start soon! Looking for a hard link...

Man I really hope so...

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05/27/2010 09:22 AM
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We're screwed...royally. Imagine 9 months of this.






they used salt water back then and now they are using drilling mudd. we shall see

isn't bentonite used in drilling mud ??
isn't it sticky ??
clings to oil maybe ??
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Bentonite is not sticky, just slimy like clay when wet.... It is used in hydocolator hot packs. I'm not sure how it interacts with oil.
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05/27/2010 09:23 AM
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Fox news reporting that bp states the top kill has worked! cementing to start soon! Looking for a hard link...

Man I really hope so...
 Quoting: ProvenPatriot

They were told but no proof yet. Besides they even showed the oil leak still gushing but they say it's mud flowing.
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05/27/2010 09:27 AM
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'Top kill' operation to plug Gulf oil spill is going as planned, BP says, By Jaquetta White, The Times-Picayune, May 26, 2010, 9:03PM

[link to www.nola.com]

Just looking at the plumes isn't very reassuring yet, though.

The mud is inching down the hole, it seems.
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05/27/2010 09:28 AM
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Seriously.... can someone turn off this B-Movie?
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this video and the msnbc one with the two experts should go VIRAL!
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'Top kill' operation to plug Gulf oil spill is going as planned, BP says, By Jaquetta White, The Times-Picayune, May 26, 2010, 9:03PM

[link to www.nola.com]

Just looking at the plumes isn't very reassuring yet, though.

The mud is inching down the hole, it seems.
 Quoting: Joes Bar and Grill 941140


The original operation was going as planned till SHTF.

I still think this isn't going to work, but I hope it does. They don't know where the mud is going.
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Fox news reporting that bp states the top kill has worked! cementing to start soon! Looking for a hard link...

Man I really hope so...

They were told but no proof yet. Besides they even showed the oil leak still gushing but they say it's mud flowing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973625



This is great news if its true, still shits pissing out of it though, if its just mud this may be working, how ever if its still mud, oil, and gas is still a concern.
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looks like the plume is oil being absorbed by bentonite.
just my layman imagination working overtime...
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How can they put cement in a well shooting out 50000 barrels of mud a day. Do they think we are stupid. Look at the damn thing, it's still gushing.
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05/27/2010 09:46 AM
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Same lame attempts, I have to agree with that assessment.
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Sorry to spoil your doom but it will work.
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Ummm, the Top Kill operation failed back then with shallower waters, less pressures behind the oil, same pipe diameters.

Only an idiot would believe it will work this time when it CLEARLY has failed then. Why would it be so different now? It's not. This shit WILL continue until the relief well is drilled.

End game...by then, 1.587 billion gallons will spill into the GoM. 5.88 million gal/day (140k bbl/day) for 9 months.

That is enough to kill 1,587,000,000,000,000 or 1,587 TRILLION gallons of seawater.

1,587 TRILLION gallons of water dead with NO LIFE. Un-fucking-real!!!
Do your absolute best and the rest is fate.
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How can they put cement in a well shooting out 50000 barrels of mud a day. Do they think we are stupid. Look at the damn thing, it's still gushing.
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+1
Do your absolute best and the rest is fate.
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Watch all of it.

I don't watch anything mainstream but this alone is freaky.

We're in a goddamn timeshift if you ask me.
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check out terrence mckenna


we are racing through the 60,70,and 80s
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05/27/2010 09:58 AM
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Lets call it a TIME WARP


as Cern plays with time and the "looking glass" we will accelerate exponentially until 2012...those who get through that year...have a few major changes after that even 2014-2015-very significant wonders to behold
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History Lesson for ROV's

In the 1950s the Royal Navy used "Cutlet", a remotely operated submersible, to recover practice torpedoes.

The US Navy funded most of the early ROV technology development in the 1960s into what was then named a "Cable-Controlled Underwater Recovery Vehicle" (CURV). This created the capability to perform deep-sea rescue operation and recover objects from the ocean floor, such as a nuclear bomb lost in the Mediterranean Sea after the 1966 Palomares B-52 crash. Building on this technology base; the offshore oil & gas industry created the work class ROVs to assist in the development of offshore oil fields. More than a decade after they were first introduced, ROVs became essential in the 1980s when much of the new offshore development exceeded the reach of human divers.


Yeah, they became ESSENTIAL in 1980....after the Gulf of Mexico had a blow out.
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How can they put cement in a well shooting out 50000 barrels of mud a day. Do they think we are stupid. Look at the damn thing, it's still gushing.

+1
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We all see you never took physics. Give it a another 24 hours to see if it reverses the flow. Have a little hope.