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Mars Spiral

 
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As if Mars' spin slowed but everything else kept going


in warm pursuit...
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umm errr

Huge troughs curving outward from the north pole of Mars like the arms of a pinwheel were not carved into the polar ice caps by some mysterious force, researchers have discovered. Instead, the shifting pattern arose from a long process of formation and erosion that gave it the appearance of slowly moving and spiraling inward over time.

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Gorgeous pic.
Now I want to see a similar pic of the Earth North and South poles. Not a computer image but a real image like this one on Mars. Why there are not Pole images and why almost all the Earth images are computer ones and not real ones? I can only find Earth images that are computer created or Apollo 11 or Kaguya ones. You can count Earth images with your fingers and you don't need all of them.
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More pics here:

[link to io9.com]
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Quote from picture website, "For the past 40 years, ever since the shape of the cap was revealed by satellites, scientists have debated the origins of the spiral chasms."

40 years ago, NASA was telling us that Mars was a waterless, dead planet with no possibility of life then or in the past. What bullshit we've been fed.

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just like saturn... and other planets... earth even makes mysterious spirals and glows from the poles- im pretty sure the hollow-planet theory holds relevance to look into deeper because of all the things the planets are doing now....
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More pics here:

[link to io9.com]



Quote from picture website, "For the past 40 years, ever since the shape of the cap was revealed by satellites, scientists have debated the origins of the spiral chasms."

40 years ago, NASA was telling us that Mars was a waterless, dead planet with no possibility of life then or in the past. What bullshit we've been fed.

machobird
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yep. just like technology. we are so far behind (public) and TPTW have lots n lots of that super hit tek shit
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As if Mars' spin slowed but everything else kept going


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its things like this that make me further believe the hollow planet theories.... i mean look at the form that took... give it more precision- an axis tilt- some other materials- and a solar system to lean on- you got Earth. with all the air combining to the center forming a hollow core
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it's not ice, but clouds spiraling around mars' north polar opening. mars like earth is hollow. this exact phenomenon is talked about in "the hollow earth" by dr. raymond bernard published in 1969.
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You want to see how bad you have been lied to?

This from the link:

The north pole of Mars is topped with a bizarrely-shaped icecap, riven by deep chasms larger than the Grand Canyon that create a whirling spiral shape. At last scientists have discovered what ancient force created this strange geological feature.

For the past 40 years, ever since the shape of the cap was revealed by satellites, scientists have debated the origins of the spiral chasms. They've suggested everything from volcanic eruptions to the motion of the planet as it spins. But it turns out that one man knew the answer all along, though nobody took him seriously when he first suggested it in the early 1980s. Now a paper published today in Nature, based on measurements taken by the Shallow Radar device, vindicates this prescient scientist's view. Below, you can see a reconstruction of the inside of one of the chasms.


40 years ago they took satellite photos of this area, they knew there was ice there all these years. And just recently they announced they've found evidence of water on Mars...
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There is nothing mysterious about spirals.

Everything in the universe has torque; look at the electrons in the atom, the planet around its axis, the planets around the sun, the sun around the galaxy, etc. etc. As above, so below.
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Looks like a polar cap to me, it's that beautiful or what?
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WOW! It's a freakin' human brain!
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Why is this pinned? What's the big deal anyway? I don't get it? :confused:
So the pole is swirled around - and?
Not being bitchy, just curious! (love great mysteries!)


well its not a brain its ice it moves it makes paterns nothing to worrie about


Oh yes I correct myself, I didn't mean that the pole was swirled, but the ice upon it ofc ;)

But still wondering why this is pinned hehe..

No DOOM today? Must be why. hf
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fuck your quest for doom. take a break, or get an ulcer
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What do you actually think they're hiding?

And why?
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Mars is being fixed up so man can live there. It has an atmosphere and folks can walk on the surface and there are underground communities, some even have american's living there, that is what is being hidden. Mars has WEATHER.
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Why is this pinned? What's the big deal anyway? I don't get it? confused
So the pole is swirled around - and?
Not being bitchy, just curious! (love great mysteries!)


well its not a brain its ice it moves it makes paterns nothing to worrie about


Oh yes I correct myself, I didn't mean that the pole was swirled, but the ice upon it ofc ;)

But still wondering why this is pinned hehe..

No DOOM today? Must be why. hf



fuck your quest for doom. take a break, or get an ulcer
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I wonder where you got the impression that I was on a quest for doom? I'm merely here to learn.
sigh
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It's just more "disclosure." That is how disclosure is going to be done. Not by Obama or some other talking head, taking out syndicated air time and announcing to the world that aliens and space-ships do exist, but by little news blurbs here and there. Like a couple weeks ago when Stephen Hawkin said - "Yea... aliens exist, but don't talk to them."

That way, some day people will say... Well DUH! Of course they exist, everyone knows that!!
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I don't know. I'm not quite sure what you're exactly trying to say here. Are you saying "they" know about conclusive evidence of "aliens" ....or....what, exactly?

Personally I find the "they-all-know"-theories flawed because it presupposes that Hawking is working in coordination with these scientists (and there are many) studying Mars' polar caps. Furthermore, the web would extend far beyond them. I just find it highly unlikely.

My thoughts on "aliens" are like this- they exist. They can't not exist. Look at all the stars in the Milky Way. Calculate how many can potentialy harbor life for a planet in the "goldilocks zone". Then multiply that by the number of galaxies in the Local Group. Then multiply that number by the number of other galaxy clusters in a galaxy supercluster. And so on...

There's ABSOLUTELY life out there. Again, there can't NOT be.

I just don't buy that our governments/scientists are "in cahoots" with "aliens". If "aliens" are "here", then that means they have the techonology for interstellar (possibly even intergalactic) travel. Which means....they're FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR beyond us. Farther beyond then we will be for generations and generations. They may be farther along than we WILL EVER be.

So, by that token, in my opinion, these "aliens" would have about as much incentive to collude with our governments as our governments do with an anthill. I don't think the "aliens" would give a shit about our fancy governments.

And also...the article has a pretty sound explanation for these "swirls". It's not the easiest shit to wrap your head around, but it does make sense.

And on the subject of "disclosure" specifically, again, I don't think any scientists know any secret info about any aliens.

I mean...what scientist WOULDN'T want to go down in history as the one who established "first contact"...? I don't think you could keep an ambitious scientist's mouth shut about this for a second.
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Human brain, hmm...


and I do remember a human face or two. one from Cydonia region-

[link to www.pollsb.com]

[link to www.greatdreams.com]


and other strange anomalies like pyramids-

[link to www.dudeman.net]


Is Mars trying to tell us something ?! Why all the "human related" theme there ?
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In all probability, the future is uncertain.
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Basically, I think it's all hopelessly random.

When the extraterrestials want to let their presence be common knowledge, they'll make it so. And not a damn second sooner.

Until then...all we can do is wait.
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How about a turbulence of dark cloud trails projecting over a direct light source from the interior of Mars?

NASA must be really impertinent, insisting on the ice cap theory, which was intenable even 100 years ago...supported by junk science and a highly inferior picture, which an observatory could have easily taken in the 19th century.

This white cap diminishes in size in the spring season until it sometimes disappears totally. Astronomers have noticed, since the 19th century, that a vast area of white colour appeared around the pole of Mars in the short space of 24 hours. In that time an area nearly as large as the US was visible as a white cap, and then it gradually disappeared. Ice? But the cap does not diminish gradually as it would if it were gradually melting ice. It does it by sudden jumps!

Mystery finally explained? 1rof1
Then shall we get answers at least to the following questions, asked some 90 years ago by M.B. Gardner?
First: Why does the hot planet Venus also have polar caps like those of Mars if the Martian caps are really composed either of ice, snow or frozen carbon-dioxide? Second: Why do the polar caps of Venus and Mercury not wax and wane as those of Mars do? Third: Why are the polar caps of Mars seen to throw a mass of light many miles above the surface of the planet when they are seen in a side view if they are only of ice?
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....What?

I had to read that 3 or 4 times to make absolutely sure I was reading it correctly.

....Since when does Venus have polar ice caps...?
[link to wiki.answers.com]

I mean....you do realize that Venus is, by far, the most hellish place in the solar system, right? ...Right?
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looks like the shape of a brain.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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More pics here:

[link to io9.com]



Quote from picture website, "For the past 40 years, ever since the shape of the cap was revealed by satellites, scientists have debated the origins of the spiral chasms."

40 years ago, NASA was telling us that Mars was a waterless, dead planet with no possibility of life then or in the past. What bullshit we've been fed.

machobird
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Right.

And Plato believed that the universe was a series of spheres rotating within each other, with Earth at the center. Thank God no one studies what that asshole had to say anymore.

(...because he was probably "feeding us bullshit", too..right?)

NASA (although, fyi, NASA hardly has a monopoly on the study of Mars, but for the sake of consistency, I'll stick with it) redefining their ideas about Mars and what it's features are probably has something to do with the exponential increase in telescope technology, along with the various information-gathering probes we've sent towards it. What do you think?

I mean, I know you think "they're" "feeding us bullshit".

Me, I just see science.

(and, oh yeah, that quote from the site...I wouldn't take it as gospel, off-hand...)
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Basically, I think it's all hopelessly random.

When the extraterrestials want to let their presence be common knowledge, they'll make it so. And not a damn second sooner.

Until then...all we can do is wait.
 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.


This is coming from a person with a hard on for debunking planet X??... That's what makes one a shill, right?

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You want to see how bad you have been lied to?

This from the link:

The north pole of Mars is topped with a bizarrely-shaped icecap, riven by deep chasms larger than the Grand Canyon that create a whirling spiral shape. At last scientists have discovered what ancient force created this strange geological feature.

For the past 40 years, ever since the shape of the cap was revealed by satellites, scientists have debated the origins of the spiral chasms. They've suggested everything from volcanic eruptions to the motion of the planet as it spins. But it turns out that one man knew the answer all along, though nobody took him seriously when he first suggested it in the early 1980s. Now a paper published today in Nature, based on measurements taken by the Shallow Radar device, vindicates this prescient scientist's view. Below, you can see a reconstruction of the inside of one of the chasms.


40 years ago they took satellite photos of this area, they knew there was ice there all these years. And just recently they announced they've found evidence of water on Mars...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983354


Not all ices are water ice, though.

And, as far as we know, life absolutely requires H2O. That's the significance between finding ice...and finding water ice.
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What do you actually think they're hiding?

And why?

Mars is being fixed up so man can live there. It has an atmosphere and folks can walk on the surface and there are underground communities, some even have american's living there, that is what is being hidden. Mars has WEATHER.
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Correct. This is...known.

Mars has rather crazy weather, actually. It just doesn't have any oxygen. Which is why I'm kinda puzzled you believe there's... "people" there.
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I've challenged you, and you clearly can't justify your choice of debating actions...
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I've challenged you, and you clearly can't justify your choice of debating actions...
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bump
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Basically, I think it's all hopelessly random.

When the extraterrestials want to let their presence be common knowledge, they'll make it so. And not a damn second sooner.

Until then...all we can do is wait.


This is coming from a person with a hard on for debunking planet X??... That's what makes one a shill, right?
 Quoting: Posterchild


Does it?

"One" is supposed to just BELIEVE in your "Planet X" or else "one" is branded a shill? Even when the most basic concepts of your "Planet X" can be very easily proved to be false (and let's not forget the vast number of "Planet X"-advocates who are evangelicals merely hi-jacking the science of astronomy to further their "End Times"-aganda, the same agenda they've been exploiting/preaching for thousands of years...)

If you can- then debate me on the facts and put away the "YOU'RE A SHILL"-card (easy as that is to whip out at a moment's notice...right?)

And you're slightly mistaken. I don't get a "hard on" while debunking your "Planet X". But I do enjoy combating misinformation.

You do realize that some people take that shit verrrrrrry seriously, and as a result...sort of "freak out" over it, right?

Do you think this is A GOOD THING? If the basic science of these ideas can be soundly defeated, then what's the point? To continue advocating them ANYWAY by virtue of their being "fringe ideas"?

That's dogma, dude.

Basically- if you don't agree with me that your "Planet X" is bullshit, then debate me. Otherwise, it's off the field and back in the stands where you belong.

(btw, by calling me a "shill", are you SERIOUSLY suggesting I'm in on the "aliens-are-here" conspiracy...?)
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I've challenged you, and you clearly can't justify your choice of debating actions...
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Relax, bro. I was typing.

As you can see.
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Looks like Mars is heating up...





How is that possible??
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Basically, I think it's all hopelessly random.

When the extraterrestials want to let their presence be common knowledge, they'll make it so. And not a damn second sooner.

Until then...all we can do is wait.


This is coming from a person with a hard on for debunking planet X??... That's what makes one a shill, right?
---------------------------------------

Does it?

"One" is supposed to just BELIEVE in your "Planet X" or else "one" is branded a shill? Even when the most basic concepts of your "Planet X" can be very easily proved to be false (and let's not forget the vast number of "Planet X"-advocates who are evangelicals merely hi-jacking the science of astronomy to further their "End Times"-aganda, the same agenda they've been exploiting/preaching for thousands of years...)

If you can- then debate me on the facts and put away the "YOU'RE A SHILL"-card (easy as that is to whip out at a moment's notice...right?)

And you're slightly mistaken. I don't get a "hard on" while debunking your "Planet X". But I do enjoy combating misinformation.

You do realize that some people take that shit verrrrrrry seriously, and as a result...sort of "freak out" over it, right?

Do you think this is A GOOD THING? If the basic science of these ideas can be soundly defeated, then what's the point? To continue advocating them ANYWAY by virtue of their being "fringe ideas"?

That's dogma, dude.

Basically- if you don't agree with me that your "Planet X" is bullshit, then debate me. Otherwise, it's off the field and back in the stands where you belong.

(btw, by calling me a "shill", are you SERIOUSLY suggesting I'm in on the "aliens-are-here" conspiracy...?)
 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.


I found it amusing that you suggested the possibility of alien life, but denied another possible theory in regards to the truth for our existence and evolution.

I honestly can say that I do not believe "planet X" is close enough to make changes, but I do believe there are many many unanswered questions, or "half-truths" about how our solar system functions. The Oort cloud is undeniably influenced by the Suns gravity(which extends beyond this point!)amongst other possible objects worth questioning. With the minute amount of knowledge we have on the solar system, let alone the universe, how can one have a belief in one theory(aliens)and disbelief in another?(rogue planet/dark star)

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