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Mars Spiral

 
Truthseekr

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very good post with a VERY good video. off topic- but i like it. we are HUmans- the names and laws/statutes we go by are for the Person issued when you were born...
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"I found it amusing that you suggested the possibility of alien life, but denied another possible theory in regards to the truth for our existence and evolution.

I honestly can say that I do not believe "planet X" is close enough to make changes, but I do believe there are many many unanswered questions, or "half-truths" about how our solar system functions. The Oort cloud is undeniably influenced by the Suns gravity(which extends beyond this point!)amongst other possible objects worth questioning. With the minute amount of knowledge we have on the solar system, let alone the universe, how can one have a belief in one theory(aliens)and disbelief in another?(rogue planet/dark star)"


I don't see them as connected in the slightest.

I will take what I said about aliens a step further and say I'm not just "suggesting the possibility of alien life", I'm advocating there absolutely CAN'T NOT be alien life. And I stated my reasons for this pretty clearly in my initial post.

"Rogue stars" are something else. Explain how you think they're interconnected...? I don't see a remote (or, relevant, at least) common thread between them. I'm curious why anyone...would?

As for what you just wrote, I agree, there's a lot to learn about the universe. Obviously. One of the reasons I love astronomy is BECAUSE there's so much we don't know. There's so much TO LEARN. It's exciting.

But just because it's a fact that there's much we DON'T know, it doesn't mean that what we DO KNOW is somehow insignificant or unreliable. And we DO know a lot.

I mean...right the Oort Cloud IS undeniably influenced by the sun's gravity. Correct. And you're saying the sun's gravity goes out beyond it (I think that's what you meant)? Fine. I don't know for sure, off the top of my head. Maybe it does a little. That's not...ground-breaking. I'm not sure what the point was in bringing that up. Before that you speak about "half-truths". Are you suggesting that there are "half-truths" associated with the Oort Cloud? Why? Which ones?

And what "possible objects worth questioning" exactly are you talking about and what questions (about them?)....are worth asking? Again, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. Are there mysteries associated with the Oort Cloud? Fuck yeah. But...you have to be specific or else I'm not even really sure how to respond.

And why do you believe we have only a "minute" idea of how the solar system operates? I'm not (and no one with a brain would) going to go so far as to say we know "everything"....but we know a lot. We do. I mean...what parts are we SO hopelessly defecient that the totality of what we know should be classified "minute"...?
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The Power Lies Within You:
Do You Know Who You Are?

Powerful video about your rights.

Stop the police and government
dead in their tracks when they
bother or try to intimidate you.

[link to bit.ly]

very good post with a VERY good video. off topic- but i like it. we are HUmans- the names and laws/statutes we go by are for the Person issued when you were born...
 Quoting: Truthseekr


+1

Brilliant video!
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"I found it amusing that you suggested the possibility of alien life, but denied another possible theory in regards to the truth for our existence and evolution.

I honestly can say that I do not believe "planet X" is close enough to make changes, but I do believe there are many many unanswered questions, or "half-truths" about how our solar system functions. The Oort cloud is undeniably influenced by the Suns gravity(which extends beyond this point!)amongst other possible objects worth questioning. With the minute amount of knowledge we have on the solar system, let alone the universe, how can one have a belief in one theory(aliens)and disbelief in another?(rogue planet/dark star)"


I don't see them as connected in the slightest.


I will take what I said about aliens a step further and say I'm not just "suggesting the possibility of alien life", I'm advocating there absolutely CAN'T NOT be alien life. And I stated my reasons for this pretty clearly in my initial post.

"Rogue stars" are something else. Explain how you think they're interconnected...? I don't see a remote (or, relevant, at least) common thread between them. I'm curious why anyone...would?

As for what you just wrote, I agree, there's a lot to learn about the universe. Obviously. One of the reasons I love astronomy is BECAUSE there's so much we don't know. There's so much TO LEARN. It's exciting.

But just because it's a fact that there's much we DON'T know, it doesn't mean that what we DO KNOW is somehow insignificant or unreliable. And we DO know a lot.

I mean...right the Oort Cloud IS undeniably influenced by the sun's gravity. Correct. And you're saying the sun's gravity goes out beyond it (I think that's what you meant)? Fine. I don't know for sure, off the top of my head. Maybe it does a little. That's not...ground-breaking. I'm not sure what the point was in bringing that up. Before that you speak about "half-truths". Are you suggesting that there are "half-truths" associated with the Oort Cloud? Why? Which ones?

And what "possible objects worth questioning" exactly are you talking about and what questions (about them?)....are worth asking? Again, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. Are there mysteries associated with the Oort Cloud? Fuck yeah. But...you have to be specific or else I'm not even really sure how to respond.

And why do you believe we have only a "minute" idea of how the solar system operates? I'm not (and no one with a brain would) going to go so far as to say we know "everything"....but we know a lot. We do. I mean...what parts are we SO hopelessly defecient that the totality of what we know should be classified "minute"...?
 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.


Put it this way, we have found more exoplanets than we have alien life! The possible discovery of a hypothesized planet that reeks havoc on our solar system may very well provide proof of alien life.
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...spirals are in...every planet wants one...
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"Put it this way, we have found more exoplanets than we have alien life! The possible discovery of a hypothesized planet that reeks havoc on our solar system may very well provide proof of alien life."

....What?

I'm gonna go through this again slowly here (because I can't picture any other way to do this, frankly):

"we have found more exoplanets than we have alien life!"

This is correct. We've found about...3 or 400 expoplanets (maybe a little more? Maybe a little less? I don't remember the exact number- there's new ones found all the time).

Thusfar no "life" has been observed existing on any of them. Thusfar. AND on top of that we've only been able to find the REALLY big planets capable of producing the kind of "wobbles" necessary to BE detectable- which ALSO are usually VERY CLOSE to their star- which is NOT the "goldilocks zone".

But whatever, that last part's kind of irrelevant to the point at hand. What you wrote is correct. Lots of exoplanets, not a lotta life.

AFTER THIS is where things get confusing:

"The possible discovery of a hypothesized planet that reeks havoc on our solar system may very well provide proof of alien life."

....right. You're right. It just might. PARTICULARLY if there're creatures scurrying around on it.

BUT...I mean, you're assuming this is going to happen.

You're assuming a planet COULD reek havoc on our solar system.

And you're assuming, on top of that, that it would be a life-harboring planet.

And I would dispute ALL OF THAT.

I think I get that you're overall point is-

YOU BELIEVE IN ALIENS?

WHY NOT "PLANET X"?

...And, basically, I've given my reasons. You're talking hypotheticals. Great. If "Planet X" came charging through with aliens on it I'd sure feel like a dummy. Hypothetically.

But I feel very strongly that it's impossible for a "rogue planet" to do that. I'm confident it's impossible on account of the known science which I understand and have read about.

Which has NOTHING to do with how I feel about the existence of aliens.

I think you're issue is more an asthetic one: I'm "fringe" because I believe in aliens, but "not fringe, in fact- a SHILL" because I don't believe in "Planet X".

Where, to me, it's just science. I'm not even sure at this point we EVEN DISAGREE. But if you do want to pick my brain about specific shit, cool. Otherwise, you really are just talking hypotheticals here and...there's only so far we can go with this.
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Looks like Mars is heating up...

How is that possible??
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Our solar system was recently discovered to actually belong to the Saggitarius Dwarf Cluster, which is in the process of being slowly torn apart and assimilated by the larger gravitational giant the Milky Way.

Subsequently our solar system (and the rest of the star systems belonging to the Saggitarius Dwarf Cluster) are out of alignment with the rest of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Subsequently every 12,000 year or so our solar system intersects the galatic ecliptic, where the majority of the Milky Way's angular energy and mass are situated. The forces that create rings around Saturn and other massive planets are identical. In fact both are generated by the singularity to be found at the core of all matter, planets, solar systems, galaxies and universes.

Our star system is now approaching the ecliptic ring. As it does, the rate of creation (time) will accelerate logarithmically. And the influx of energy will impact all nested singularity(s). Not only are the planets entering an energetic state of flux, but so is all matter and subsequently life forms based on that matter. To fully understand this you will have to familiarize yourself with the singularity.

It's going to be a hell of a ride and change is going to come wild and rapid. Mind your thoughts carefully, as the infinate feedback loop of the singularity's toroid field will become more pronounced. So action/reaction will come back to bite you quicker. That is why things are falling apart so quickly on a global scale. This is a good time to become creative and positive if possible.

Make sure you are prepared to live off the grid for a while as there will be some MAJOR interuptions to the status quo shortly. In fact, they have already begun!

Brace yourselves and see you on the other side!
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Diversion is a shill tactic. Back to topic.


Wind centralized?

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is providing new information about climate change on Mars and the planet's sub-surface geology.

The new data from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter suggest both the canyon and spiral troughs were created and shaped primarily by wind.

[link to www.upi.com]

Knowing is half the battle, GI JOE!

The landscape of the north polar layered deposits of Mars (NPLD) is dominated by a pinwheel array of enigmatic spiral troughs1. The troughs have intrigued planetary scientists since the Mariner 9 spacecraft returned the first close-up image in 1972, but conclusive evidence of their origin has remained elusive. Debate continues regarding all aspects of the troughs, including the possibility that they have migrated2, 3, 4, 5, their age in relation to the current NPLD surface6, and whether they are fundamentally erosional6, 7 or constructional2, 4 features.

Figures, Images, full report:

[link to www.nature.com]

Faulty Rendition:
[link to img444.imageshack.us]
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WOW! It's a freakin' human brain!
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Thats what I first thought!
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Diversion is a shill tactic. Back to topic.


Wind centralized?

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is providing new information about climate change on Mars and the planet's sub-surface geology.

The new data from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter suggest both the canyon and spiral troughs were created and shaped primarily by wind.

[link to www.upi.com]

Knowing is half the battle, GI JOE!

The landscape of the north polar layered deposits of Mars (NPLD) is dominated by a pinwheel array of enigmatic spiral troughs1. The troughs have intrigued planetary scientists since the Mariner 9 spacecraft returned the first close-up image in 1972, but conclusive evidence of their origin has remained elusive. Debate continues regarding all aspects of the troughs, including the possibility that they have migrated2, 3, 4, 5, their age in relation to the current NPLD surface6, and whether they are fundamentally erosional6, 7 or constructional2, 4 features.

Figures, Images, full report:

[link to www.nature.com]

Faulty Rendition:
[link to img444.imageshack.us]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689310


If this is addressed at me, note:

I did not bring up "Planet X".

I actually think the topic at hand is pretty fascinating. Posterchild is the one who "challenged" me and went off-topic.

The only "tactics" I employ are in service to whatever legitimate points I'm trying to make.
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Why is this pinned? What's the big deal anyway? I don't get it? :confused:
So the pole is swirled around - and?
Not being bitchy, just curious! (love great mysteries!)


well its not a brain its ice it moves it makes paterns nothing to worrie about
 Quoting: Mranger


Are you kidding me?

It it is a brain! Look at it! It's a giant fucking brain and it's thinking, it's planning! OMG! It's going to kill us all!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ahhh
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Hollow rock, hollow rooms

It turns out both the spiral troughs and Chasma Boreale were created and shaped primarily by wind. Before this research, conventional wisdom held that the northern ice cap of Mars was made of many relatively flat layers like a layered cake. It was assumed some climate information would be recorded in the layers, limited to what could be gained from layer thickness and dust content. This research, however, reveals many complex features – including layers that change in thickness and orientation, or abruptly disappear in some places – making it a virtual gold mine of climate information.

[link to www.newsroomamerica.com]

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