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ARIZONA TO PUSH A LAW TO STOP BIRTH-CITIZENSHIP RIGHT FOR ILLEGALS!!! WIN WIN WIN

 
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As I understand it, "born in the United States" language in the 14th Amendment used to be interpreted differently. Until I guess the early 1900's, anchor babies would not qualify. I think it may have been the standard the AZ bill proposes: one parent must be a US citizen.

They've got guts, but it's cleverly done. After all, they can issue whatever birth certificates they want. But the US could recognize them for citizenship purposes anyway.
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If a law like this goes through, it should be retroactive.

That would mean MILLIONS of you white people would get shipped off back to Europe, where you belong. Do you people have any idea how many of your ancestors were illegal immigrants? You wouldn't be so quick to diss all the illegals in the modern era if you knew the real truth about your backgrounds.
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I'm sure my grandparents, on both sides, were legal immigrants.
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This is a crock of shit. Birth certificates do not recognize rights. U.S. citizenship is not an automatic thing with Birth certificates, it is a social security claim. Only on a Social security form is citizenship received under title 8 uscs.

The ANCHOR BABIES GET A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD AT BIRTH, RIGHT THERE IN THE HOSPITAL FROM SOCIAL SERVICES. YEP, THEY DO!!


Bullshit - Nobody gives out or gets social security cards at a hospital. Go have a child and find out.
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LOL you must be a male and an old one!

SS cards are issued automatically from hospital records at birth. You don't have to do anything but wait for them to arrive in the mail within a few weeks.

Yep, I've birthed 4 of them and all but my oldest was that way -- also changed in the 80's.
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States cannot override federal law. It's unconstitutional to deny citizenship to anyone born on US soil... but I sure as hell wish it wasn't.
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why does canada care? eh?
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I know this is a stricktly American issue, but we have a similar situation in Australia with illegal boat peoples, refugees from unsavory countries, when they are intercepted at sea trying to enter the country the government takes them to detention centers for processing, 90% of these people are granted permanent residency and eventual citizenship.

Once you are declared a permanent resident all children you have that are born in Australia are automatically citizens and are immune to deportation laws.

If you slip through the gaps and land ashore without being caught and enter socitey, any children they have are automatically Australian citizens on their 10th birthday even if their parents are here illegally and have never been granted a residency.

Due to alot of civil libertarian movements illegals who are caught who have children are never deported because of media attention and outcry.

The currently raging debate over allowing these people into our country is a whole different kettle of fish, with many and varied views and opinion and I'm not going to weigh into it here. That being said our laws on illegal immigration are quite weak at the moment.

I sympathise with the American people because the most sacred of things our democracy is what makes us weak to the illegal immigrants seeking to enter our countries, I think excessive immigration both legalo and illegal is one of the major problems that faces western nations today. Look at france or the UK, cultural erosion is a threat that simply cannot be ignored.

We do however face a grave problem, just how much of our democracy should we sacrifice to save our culture, is it worth it? and who is welcome to our democracy? Immigration is a very difficult subject.
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I support Arizona 100 percent. Fwork
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banana2

Hell yeah!

Fuck off beaners.

Go drop you shit colored kids in the toilet that is Mexico.
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What about the innocent babies?
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What about them? Babies are born in poor countries everyday but I don't see you running out and recommending that every poor person with a child be allowed into the USA. ILLEGAL immigrants are CRIMINALS and as such should be the last people granted any kind of citizenship.
I think that although Australia may grant citizenship to children born here it no longer extends to the parents of the child. There was a bit of trouble with Asians trying to use babies to get citizenship and I think the law changed, well anyway anchor babies aren't a problem here so something in the law must be different to the one in the USA.
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This is a crock of shit. Birth certificates do not recognize rights. U.S. citizenship is not an automatic thing with Birth certificates, it is a social security claim. Only on a Social security form is citizenship received under title 8 uscs.

The ANCHOR BABIES GET A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD AT BIRTH, RIGHT THERE IN THE HOSPITAL FROM SOCIAL SERVICES. YEP, THEY DO!!


Bullshit - Nobody gives out or gets social security cards at a hospital. Go have a child and find out.

LOL you must be a male and an old one!

SS cards are issued automatically from hospital records at birth. You don't have to do anything but wait for them to arrive in the mail within a few weeks.

Yep, I've birthed 4 of them and all but my oldest was that way -- also changed in the 80's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967685



No, socieal security cards are not issued from the hospital.

The only agency authorized to issue social security cards is the Social Security Administration. You have to go to the Social Security Adminstration branch nearest you to apply for one. After that, it is mailed and takes several weeks to get.
So, insulting someone more knowledgeable than you doesn't prove they are old. It only proves you are ignorant.
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Typo, Social Security
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Typo, Social Security
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Social Security numbers are issued through the SSA by the International Monetary fund in Switzerland.
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If a law like this goes through, it should be retroactive.

That would mean MILLIONS of you white people would get shipped off back to Europe, where you belong. Do you people have any idea how many of your ancestors were illegal immigrants?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 849621


butt out of it racist canadian.

"you white people" replace the word 'white' with any other word and YOU KNOW you're gonna have problems. so don't pretend you can have it both ways.


"Do you people have any idea..."

"you people"? what do you mean you people? you really need listen to yourself, bigot.


oh, and uh while you're at it, god save the queen!
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This is a crock of shit. Birth certificates do not recognize rights. U.S. citizenship is not an automatic thing with Birth certificates, it is a social security claim. Only on a Social security form is citizenship received under title 8 uscs.

The ANCHOR BABIES GET A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD AT BIRTH, RIGHT THERE IN THE HOSPITAL FROM SOCIAL SERVICES. YEP, THEY DO!!


Bullshit - Nobody gives out or gets social security cards at a hospital. Go have a child and find out.

LOL you must be a male and an old one!

SS cards are issued automatically from hospital records at birth. You don't have to do anything but wait for them to arrive in the mail within a few weeks.

Yep, I've birthed 4 of them and all but my oldest was that way -- also changed in the 80's.



No, socieal security cards are not issued from the hospital.

The only agency authorized to issue social security cards is the Social Security Administration. You have to go to the Social Security Adminstration branch nearest you to apply for one. After that, it is mailed and takes several weeks to get.
So, insulting someone more knowledgeable than you doesn't prove they are old. It only proves you are ignorant.
 Quoting: Texas Uncensored, nli 984912


Nope, you don't have to go to a local branch anymore.

If you READ my post says it is automatically issued based on information FROM hospital records. I didn't say the hospital issued it.
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this won't fly. US citizenship is federal, not state.
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More of Arizona's pandering to prejudice and ignorance.
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Before 1986, people often did not have a Social Security number until the age of about 14, since they were used for income tracking purposes, and those under that age seldom had substantial income.

In 1986, American taxation law was altered so that individuals over 5 years old without Social Security numbers could not be successfully claimed as dependents on tax returns; by 1990 the threshold was lowered to 1 year old,[4] and was later abolished altogether. Since then, parents have often applied for Social Security numbers for their children soon after birth; today, it can be done on the application for a birth certificate.[5]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There ya go!
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People can't stop discussing the controversial Arizona Immigration Law. America has not been used to the reactionary politics applied by Jan Brewer. But maybe it's high time to stop the constant abuse of American hospitality?
The American society is split into two parts...and evidences of both hold water. People expect Obama to react.
Voice your opinion at [link to immigration.civiltalks.com]
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+1
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GO AZ!!!
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the elligals come for decades of free child support aid packahes to the lazy mom. who breeds and births on american soil orignal americans supported thier kids. our lazy ass congress is glad we are stuck supporting the world kids and it makes us broker for doing it. vote the fackers out in novenber since they do not represent american tax payers anyway .

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