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Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Well, how do they stop it now??

Next option was to cunt the riser and install a new BOP on top of old one...

BUT there is now oil coming from the bottom of the BOP

[link to i50.tinypic.com]
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Well, how do they stop it now??

Next option was to cunt the riser and install a new BOP on top of old one...

BUT there is now oil coming from the bottom of the BOP

[link to i50.tinypic.com]
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Do what to the riser?
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I post this earlier to ridicule and disdain. What a bunch of morons.

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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Well, how do they stop it now??

Next option was to cunt the riser and install a new BOP on top of old one...

BUT there is now oil coming from the bottom of the BOP

[link to i50.tinypic.com]


Do what to the riser?
 Quoting: Goetia


OOOOoooops...

LMFAO

hillary
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Let me explain as I am a mechanical engineer with years of experience in matters such as this.

The BOP is secured to the sea floor with large "bolts". These bolts, and it's weight, are what hold it in place. The BOP is not designed to hold back enormous amounts of pressure. In a typical operation oil simply passes through the BOP and up a pipe and into a ship. In many cases the oil is being sucked up the pipe and there is no pressure on the BOP at all.

In this case, the BOP is being pushed upward - OFF OF THE SEA FLOOR - by the tremendous amount of pressure. When they attempted the top kill they temporarily sealed up the top, meaning the pressure was not being released through the leaks but was instead being held back by the BOP. The bolts that hold the BOP in place began to break loose from the sea floor so they stopped the operation.

But now the BOP is being moved all over the place by the pressure and it is breaking loose. So they either don't back the ROV up far enough to show it or they use the arms on the ROV to hold onto the riser pipe. This way the ROV moves with the pipe and since there is nothing to gauge movement by down there it doesn't look like it's moving at all.

We are screwed and the OP is correct.
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[link to i50.tinypic.com]
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Well, how do they stop it now??

Next option was to cunt the riser and install a new BOP on top of old one...

BUT there is now oil coming from the bottom of the BOP

[link to i50.tinypic.com]


Do what to the riser?


OOOOoooops...

LMFAO

hillary
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cunt it

that will usually stop the flow of just about anything!

lmao
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05/28/2010 08:59 PM
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
The BOP is screwed.


The casing is screwed.





The Gulf is screwed.

The fisherman are screwed.



Entire cities are going to fail because of this.
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
tuned in the live feed about 2 hours ago and noticed that the camera was zoomed in closer and that black oil was bellowing in front of the camera. Now the video feed is not available. Game over
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They should take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity sort itself out.
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Let me explain as I am a mechanical engineer with years of experience in matters such as this.

The BOP is secured to the sea floor with large "bolts". These bolts, and it's weight, are what hold it in place. The BOP is not designed to hold back enormous amounts of pressure. In a typical operation oil simply passes through the BOP and up a pipe and into a ship. In many cases the oil is being sucked up the pipe and there is no pressure on the BOP at all.

In this case, the BOP is being pushed upward - OFF OF THE SEA FLOOR - by the tremendous amount of pressure. When they attempted the top kill they temporarily sealed up the top, meaning the pressure was not being released through the leaks but was instead being held back by the BOP. The bolts that hold the BOP in place began to break loose from the sea floor so they stopped the operation.

But now the BOP is being moved all over the place by the pressure and it is breaking loose. So they either don't back the ROV up far enough to show it or they use the arms on the ROV to hold onto the riser pipe. This way the ROV moves with the pipe and since there is nothing to gauge movement by down there it doesn't look like it's moving at all.

We are screwed and the OP is correct.
 Quoting: RF 503158



My concern was a bigger blowout eroding out the sea floor and releasing copious amounts of oil or the sea bed being blown out...and the additional pressure they brought to bear would not be held by the already weakened surrounding area...where it is bolted in has surely been getting eroded...for over 30 days...


This is going to continue and possibly even after their "relief well"

To me their confidence in their ideas...alone...is poorly placed/shutting out the public and potentially many seasoned engineers or geologists/physicists that have retired and could potentially figure out something to MINIMIZE the catastrophic damage...

We buy all our stuff from China...or Pakistan...but we will not allow the Iranians to add 2 cents...pride goeth before a fall...I do not think they will save us-but the idea room is rather sparse-the more heads the better...

The way it is being handled now is deplorable-restricting many who could contribute even sweat into trying to minimize the damage...Why they did not circle the booms with several containment areas to go all out in the beginning to keep it contained...is beyond me...it seems more and more that it is PLANNED...


Salting the fields

nanny world style...

Thx for your insight. hf

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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Let me explain as I am a mechanical engineer with years of experience in matters such as this.

The BOP is secured to the sea floor with large "bolts". These bolts, and it's weight, are what hold it in place. The BOP is not designed to hold back enormous amounts of pressure. In a typical operation oil simply passes through the BOP and up a pipe and into a ship. In many cases the oil is being sucked up the pipe and there is no pressure on the BOP at all.

In this case, the BOP is being pushed upward - OFF OF THE SEA FLOOR - by the tremendous amount of pressure. When they attempted the top kill they temporarily sealed up the top, meaning the pressure was not being released through the leaks but was instead being held back by the BOP. The bolts that hold the BOP in place began to break loose from the sea floor so they stopped the operation.

But now the BOP is being moved all over the place by the pressure and it is breaking loose. So they either don't back the ROV up far enough to show it or they use the arms on the ROV to hold onto the riser pipe. This way the ROV moves with the pipe and since there is nothing to gauge movement by down there it doesn't look like it's moving at all.

We are screwed and the OP is correct.
 Quoting: RF 503158


They need to screw in a bunch more bolts or anything that will secure the bop to the floor i imagine.

Why won't they just kink the line or the shaft to slow down the flow. Or as someone said. Just cut away the bop and then attach a mechinism around the cut off pipe that can be cranked down to slowly shut off the flow.
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Let me explain as I am a mechanical engineer with years of experience in matters such as this.

The BOP is secured to the sea floor with large "bolts". These bolts, and it's weight, are what hold it in place. The BOP is not designed to hold back enormous amounts of pressure. In a typical operation oil simply passes through the BOP and up a pipe and into a ship. In many cases the oil is being sucked up the pipe and there is no pressure on the BOP at all.

In this case, the BOP is being pushed upward - OFF OF THE SEA FLOOR - by the tremendous amount of pressure. When they attempted the top kill they temporarily sealed up the top, meaning the pressure was not being released through the leaks but was instead being held back by the BOP. The bolts that hold the BOP in place began to break loose from the sea floor so they stopped the operation.

But now the BOP is being moved all over the place by the pressure and it is breaking loose. So they either don't back the ROV up far enough to show it or they use the arms on the ROV to hold onto the riser pipe. This way the ROV moves with the pipe and since there is nothing to gauge movement by down there it doesn't look like it's moving at all.

We are screwed and the OP is correct.
 Quoting: RF 503158


So what you're basically saying is that things will get only worse.

May God help us all. Doom is on. ;-(
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Well, how do they stop it now??

Next option was to cunt the riser and install a new BOP on top of old one...

BUT there is now oil coming from the bottom of the BOP

[link to i50.tinypic.com]
 Quoting: Yikes!! 981643

IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A MUSHROOM CLOUD, DOESN'T IT?
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Well, how do they stop it now??

Next option was to cunt the riser and install a new BOP on top of old one...

BUT there is now oil coming from the bottom of the BOP

[link to i50.tinypic.com]
 Quoting: Yikes!! 981643


OK, let me get this straight. Their next option is to cunt the riser? What about that link you provided? It is just a jpeg. Where does it say that oil is leaking out of the bottom of the BOP?
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
The BOP is screwed.


The casing is screwed.





The Gulf is screwed.

The fisherman are screwed.



Entire cities are going to fail because of this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757124


Unfortunately, this could get so much bigger...

The possibility of a seafloor collapse, which this blog makes a very good argument for would be catastrophic and could bring on a ELE...That is the real possibility of this situation...




[link to blog.bp] oil spammer/2010/05/24/breaking-news-reports-huge-explosions-seaf​loor-collapse-beneath-gulf-oil-spill/
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Dare I say it?

Time to NUKE the damn thing!

Bore a shaft near to the pipe into the sea bed, insert a small nuke at a depth of several K feet, seal the top with cement and hit the big red button...

The blast will crush the pipe, and the heat will melt everything together.

It's the only logical recourse.
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Dare I say it?

Time to NUKE the damn thing!

Bore a shaft near to the pipe into the sea bed, insert a small nuke at a depth of several K feet, seal the top with cement and hit the big red button...

The blast will crush the pipe, and the heat will melt everything together.

It's the only logical recourse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718510


bump

it's really the only solution left apart from relief wells but people don't seem to like it a lot... (understandably)
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I think we all know this is looking very doomish.

Never forget 2012, stay cool.

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05/28/2010 09:11 PM
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
This is the only doom story I even care about atm.

War between North and South Korea? Heard that before.
War between Iran and Israel? Yeah, sure.
Volcano erupting? Delayed air travel.
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
BOP's are not designed to hold back enormous pressure. This is not saying they can but if everyone remembers back to the beginning. They were only pouring the concrete around the "bolts" when the explosion took place. The BOP may never have been fully secured in the first place. More than likely it was but there is a possibility it wasn't.

If it breaks loose it will rip open a crater the depth of the bolts - and these bolt can go down pretty deep. This will leave an unrestricted hole in the ground for the oil to simply travel up through. Right now, the bent riser pipe is actually slowing the flow as it is restricting the passage. It's kind of like breathing through a bent straw. With the BOP gone its like breathing through a snorkel - big difference.

The bent riser presents a problem though - all of that oil is hitting the bend and is pushing up on the pipe and the BOP attached to it. So even though it's slowing the flow for now it's also hastening disaster.

Why won't the "news" inform people? Because it's that bad. They would rather treat us all like idiots.
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I was banned for posting this info??

Interesting
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Dare I say it?

Time to NUKE the damn thing!

Bore a shaft near to the pipe into the sea bed, insert a small nuke at a depth of several K feet, seal the top with cement and hit the big red button...

The blast will crush the pipe, and the heat will melt everything together.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718510


... or the explosion will open a wide crater spewing out even more oil.
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
The BOP is screwed.


The casing is screwed.





The Gulf is screwed.

The fisherman are screwed.



Entire cities are going to fail because of this.


Unfortunately, this could get so much bigger...

The possibility of a seafloor collapse, which this blog makes a very good argument for would be catastrophic and could bring on a ELE...That is the real possibility of this situation...




Hey there OP. You are not doing a very good job of documenting your pinned thread. What the hell is an ELE??
[link to blog.bp] oil spammer/2010/05/24/breaking-news-reports-huge-explosions-seaf​loor-collapse-beneath-gulf-oil-spill/
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
This is the only doom story I even care about atm.

War between North and South Korea? Heard that before.
War between Iran and Israel? Yeah, sure.
Volcano erupting? Delayed air travel.
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yeah doom from a hole in the ground.

how fucking bleak is that.


edit: seems like the BP-cam ROV is on its way up..

Last Edited by Project_Deimos on 05/28/2010 09:13 PM
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Dare I say it?

Time to NUKE the damn thing!

Bore a shaft near to the pipe into the sea bed, insert a small nuke at a depth of several K feet, seal the top with cement and hit the big red button...

The blast will crush the pipe, and the heat will melt everything together.

It's the only logical recourse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718510


yes, its either some kind of explosive or nuke or a long slow death. BP said this top kill had a 70% chance of working. Wonder what they give the chances of those relief wells working?? 50% 70% i dunno, but we dont have 60 days
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I guess I picked the wrong day to quit drinking,...seriously.
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I guess I picked the wrong day to quit drinking,...seriously.
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what are we watching now? Were is the leak?
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Let me explain as I am a mechanical engineer with years of experience in matters such as this.

The BOP is secured to the sea floor with large "bolts". These bolts, and it's weight, are what hold it in place. The BOP is not designed to hold back enormous amounts of pressure. In a typical operation oil simply passes through the BOP and up a pipe and into a ship. In many cases the oil is being sucked up the pipe and there is no pressure on the BOP at all.

In this case, the BOP is being pushed upward - OFF OF THE SEA FLOOR - by the tremendous amount of pressure. When they attempted the top kill they temporarily sealed up the top, meaning the pressure was not being released through the leaks but was instead being held back by the BOP. The bolts that hold the BOP in place began to break loose from the sea floor so they stopped the operation.

But now the BOP is being moved all over the place by the pressure and it is breaking loose. So they either don't back the ROV up far enough to show it or they use the arms on the ROV to hold onto the riser pipe. This way the ROV moves with the pipe and since there is nothing to gauge movement by down there it doesn't look like it's moving at all.

We are screwed and the OP is correct.
 Quoting: RF 503158

RF,

THAT WAS ONE HELL OF A SYNOPSIS! THANK YOU!

IN OTHER WORDS THE BOP IS BEING PULLED OUT BY THE ROOTS AS A RESULT OF THE PRESSURE? scared
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Re: Oil leaking out of bottom of BOP = Game Over!!
Dare I say it?

Time to NUKE the damn thing!

Bore a shaft near to the pipe into the sea bed, insert a small nuke at a depth of several K feet, seal the top with cement and hit the big red button...

The blast will crush the pipe, and the heat will melt everything together.

It's the only logical recourse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718510


I was one of the first on GLP to say it. It has to be done.
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I guess I picked the wrong day to quit drinking,...seriously.

what are we watching now? Were is the leak?
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ROV going topside it seems - I think it is passing through a layer of oil on the way up (just my opinion)
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