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The Deep Water Horizon BP blowout and things we must come to terms with....

 
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Im stickin to my guns SHR...

Right from the start I wanted a hole dug next to this thing, a small thermonuclear device dropped deep in bedrock about 3,000' or more deep in rock....cemented shut and set off.

The BOP would fly out of the hole like a missile...the sea floor would shake a little...silt would be suspended in the water for about an hour and then if all goes well...an empty hole...with no oil coming out and a stable oil field to boot
Any radiation would be trapped in bedrock well past its 1/2 life problems.

Other than that we could always drop one of the Great Pyramids on it blink
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And there are probably fairly high odds that there will be CRACKS formed by the nuclear explosion ... and those cracks will allow the oil and gas, which is under tremendous pressure, to push it's way out.

I am old enough (shit hate getting older) to remember the underground nuclear tests out west as I was a kid. Guess What?

MANY OF THOSE UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR TESTS IN THE 50's & 60'S LEAKED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE ... BECAUSE THE ROCK CRACKED ALL THE WAY UP SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET!!

Not every test leaked ... but enough did that all I can say is that there is a HUGE RISK that this thing will crack the rock for thousands of feet ... and then the built in pressure of the oil/gas will force itself through those cracks right up to the seabed ... just like what happened during those nuclear explosion tests from many years ago.

What one could then end up with is a widespread leak coming out of many different locations.

Panic Decisions made in haste are usually regretted later.

Old Trader.
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To think we have no voice about our own future here in Louisiana is amazing. We get no real facts from BP and our people that where on the rig are telling what really happened.

The BP company man caused this entire mess and the fact they pulled the mud and went with a salt water injection is the core reason they lost pressure control to that started the Blow Out!

BP seems hell bent on killing the Gulf of Mexico!!!


I've heard about the people on the rig telling about what really happend - it was mentioned very briefly on British MSM but I haven't actually been able to find any of their accounts. Do you happen to have a link or two as I'm really interested in what they've got to say.
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Look for the news program sixty minutes. They had a good episode with one of the survivors.
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Im stickin to my guns SHR...

Right from the start I wanted a hole dug next to this thing, a small thermonuclear device dropped deep in bedrock about 3,000' or more deep in rock....cemented shut and set off.

The BOP would fly out of the hole like a missile...the sea floor would shake a little...silt would be suspended in the water for about an hour and then if all goes well...an empty hole...with no oil coming out and a stable oil field to boot
Any radiation would be trapped in bedrock well past its 1/2 life problems.

Other than that we could always drop one of the Great Pyramids on it blink


And there are probably fairly high odds that there will be CRACKS formed by the nuclear explosion ... and those cracks will allow the oil and gas, which is under tremendous pressure, to push it's way out.

I am old enough (shit hate getting older) to remember the underground nuclear tests out west as I was a kid. Guess What?

MANY OF THOSE UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR TESTS IN THE 50's & 60'S LEAKED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE ... BECAUSE THE ROCK CRACKED ALL THE WAY UP SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET!!

Not every test leaked ... but enough did that all I can say is that there is a HUGE RISK that this thing will crack the rock for thousands of feet ... and then the built in pressure of the oil/gas will force itself through those cracks right up to the seabed ... just like what happened during those nuclear explosion tests from many years ago.

What one could then end up with is a widespread leak coming out of many different locations.

Panic Decisions made in haste are usually regretted later.

Old Trader.
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+1
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Im stickin to my guns SHR...

Right from the start I wanted a hole dug next to this thing, a small thermonuclear device dropped deep in bedrock about 3,000' or more deep in rock....cemented shut and set off.

The BOP would fly out of the hole like a missile...the sea floor would shake a little...silt would be suspended in the water for about an hour and then if all goes well...an empty hole...with no oil coming out and a stable oil field to boot
Any radiation would be trapped in bedrock well past its 1/2 life problems.

Other than that we could always drop one of the Great Pyramids on it blink


And there are probably fairly high odds that there will be CRACKS formed by the nuclear explosion ... and those cracks will allow the oil and gas, which is under tremendous pressure, to push it's way out.

I am old enough (shit hate getting older) to remember the underground nuclear tests out west as I was a kid. Guess What?

MANY OF THOSE UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR TESTS IN THE 50's & 60'S LEAKED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE ... BECAUSE THE ROCK CRACKED ALL THE WAY UP SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET!!

Not every test leaked ... but enough did that all I can say is that there is a HUGE RISK that this thing will crack the rock for thousands of feet ... and then the built in pressure of the oil/gas will force itself through those cracks right up to the seabed ... just like what happened during those nuclear explosion tests from many years ago.

What one could then end up with is a widespread leak coming out of many different locations.

Panic Decisions made in haste are usually regretted later.

Old Trader.


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"Other than that we could always drop one of the Great Pyramids on it"

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if such a blow out cannot be stopped on land, why does anyone think it can be stopped deep under sea?

it can't & TPTB know it - hope you're enjoying the dog & pony show

From correspondents in Jakarta From: Reuters June 10, 2008 12:00AM

Gas company drilling 'caused eruption'

DRILLING of a gas exploration well, and not an earthquake, set off a volcano that has been spewing boiling mud for two years and has displaced more than 50,000 people on the Indonesian island of Java, experts have said.

Records kept by oil and gas company Lapindo Brantas during the drilling of a gas exploration well called Banjar-Panji-1 show specific incidents that could have triggered the disaster, the international team of experts said.

[link to www.news.com.au]

"The "mud volcano" pours out some 165,000 cubic yards of mud every day enough to cover a football field about 75 feet deep. Often spewing out in geyser-like eruptions, the mud has left some 665 acres swamped or abandoned as unsafe, forcing more than 10,000 people from their homes.

Experts say the mud volcano is one of the largest ever recorded on land. Geologists fear the technology may not exist to stop the eruption, saying mud could flow for years or even centuries or stop on its own at any time."

Thread: Indonesian Mud 'Volcano'

"We show that the day before the mud volcano started, there was a huge 'kick' in the well, which is an influx of fluid and gas into the wellbore," Professor Davies.

"We show that after the kick, the pressure in the well went beyond a critical level. This resulted in the leakage of the fluid from the well and the rock formations to the surface - a so-called underground blowout. This fluid picked up mud during its ascent, and Lusi was born."

The team of British, American, Indonesian and Australian scientists, writing in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters, said this pressurised fluid fractured the surrounding rock. Mud spurted out of cracks instead of the wellhead.

"There is not a hope on Earth they are going to stop it now," said the University of California Berkeley's Michael Manga, who worked on the study.

"You can plug up a hole, but if you try to plug a crack, stuff just flows around the plug, or the crack gets bigger. The well now has no effect on the erupting mud, it was just the trigger that initiated it."

[link to www.news.com.au]

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you hit the nail on the head, they hit a gas/oil/hydrate underwater volcano, similiar to this one:

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Let's not forget that until the "top kill" attempt, every single solution (ha) that BP came up with would have enabled the continuation of oil extraction from the well.


Priority 1 = $$$$$



Remember that.

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I think BP should come clean and tell us what's really happening ... they only 'trickle' information and read somewhere that they don't want to divulge too much as it's stock market sensitive



That will NOT happen.

They have absolutely NOTHING to gain by doing that.
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why do we give them the CHOICE?
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Really SHR? REALLY?

You seriously think the well pipe itself could not be collapsed with a few drill holes and some charges. I aint talking about no stupid nukes. Just some holes and some charges. You should be smart enough to know the well pipe itself can be collapsed.


BP just chooses not to do it because of the cost involved with drilling a new well....

And we all suffer for their greed.

Right now this is just a US problem. Soon it shall be Mexicos problem... then the Caribbean, then into the atlantic.
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But they are already drilling two relief wells and incurring cost that way.

I agree they're being cheap bastards. They wanted to drill only one relief well. Thad Allen says he ordered them to add a second. They should be drilling more than that.

The relief wells have to be longer and go sideways to intersect the original well. A well for an explosive charge would not have to go sideways, probably. At least the one I saw described from Russia did not.
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I think BP should come clean and tell us what's really happening ... they only 'trickle' information and read somewhere that they don't want to divulge too much as it's stock market sensitive



That will NOT happen.

They have absolutely NOTHING to gain by doing that.


why do we give them the CHOICE?
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This is what I've wondered. Their "mission control" center is on US soil, in Houston, Louisiana, wherever it is. Put armed guards around the place, arrest the top management and provide them a bunk room, and have government representatives present every time there's a meeting. No secrets in that place. Top management does not leave it. If UK wants to make a diplomatic stink about it, let's see if they try.

That's how we should apply martial law.
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A nuke is insanity. If there is a way to get a nuke down hole then it should be obvious there is a path for the pressure to follow back to the surface. Besides, you have some sort of suitcase nuke that will fit in that hole that is already taken up by the casing? That's movie stuff not the real world. The engineers are not the guys making the calls on this debacle, they recommend to the to the office commandos who make the decision on what will be done. Nothing pisses off a field engineer more than being overruled by some guy who flies a desk for eight hours a day and makes the big bucks, but would not recognize a well kick if you directed one up his ass. IMHO if you check the accountants and authorized expenditures you will find all kinds of cost cutting shit that is directly involved.
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Watch at 5:00.
48" Smart Pipe - HHHHHMMMMMmmmm!!!!
Cut the riser off and slip the smart pipe over it.
It's Better than what's going on now with no Prospects for Improvement until Relief wells - 60 some days away.

Vid would Not imbed

Go to Vid here:
Thread: NEWS ALERT: Prominent Oil Industry Insider: "There's Another Leak, Much Bigger, 5 to 6 Miles Away"


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I think BP should come clean and tell us what's really happening ... they only 'trickle' information and read somewhere that they don't want to divulge too much as it's stock market sensitive



That will NOT happen.

They have absolutely NOTHING to gain by doing that.


why do we give them the CHOICE?

This is what I've wondered. Their "mission control" center is on US soil, in Houston, Louisiana, wherever it is. Put armed guards around the place, arrest the top management and provide them a bunk room, and have government representatives present every time there's a meeting. No secrets in that place. Top management does not leave it. If UK wants to make a diplomatic stink about it, let's see if they try.

That's how we should apply martial law.
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totally agree

fuck the City of London
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ALERT!!! CHECK OUT THE BP CAM NOW!!! THEY ARE ABOUT TO SAW SOMETHING!!!!!
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Thad Allen, what a joke. He needs to stick to chasing go fast drug boats. It's obvious he can't keep track of wtf is going on at the well head. Equally obvious he ain't too concerned about keeping oil out of the marsh. Our tax dollars at work. Him and the Pres walking up and down that damn near pristine was a nice touch. "see, not that bad".
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FUCK TURDS JUST FROZE THE VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The next move is to saw the top of the bop off...actually the top of the LMRP behind the point we have all seen the riser bent/kinked over the last few days blasting out whatever flow of fluid there was at the time...mud...oil and gas...who the hell can really tell at any one time..,..even the people who are supposed to be in charge don't even know what is going on....typical..

What they will do is use a diamond wire saw to cut off the top where that bent over pipe is connected...by now you should be able to figure what will immediately happen...all the kinked pipe restrictions to that massive pressure behind it?...they will be gone...the well will virtually be a wide open gusher at that point....we can ponder the finer details within the replies to this, but simply and esentially?...that is what will happen...they will saw off most of everything that is holding this well back from gushing to it's full potential...






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SHR, thanks for the update.

It looks like the ROV’s have some type of saw out now on the “live” cam. Is that what they are doing now?
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BP feed streaming again, here we go folks
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What's a panic attack feel like?

Good God...this is frightening.
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They got a saw out at the well and it is cutting! Whats going on!
[link to www.bp.com]
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Thanks for the depressing news.

Buck the fuck up...cause this shit is real...

:grizzy: What I am now thinking about is "oily rain." It appears that this is already happening in Florida. If so quite apart from the damage to the health of humans, livestock and wild animals. It will affect insect life and crops. I don't think we yet fully understand the ramifications of all this.
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Dude, it's not the oil you have to worry about, it's the dispersant they used that you have to worry about. That's more toxic than the oil.
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What's a panic attack feel like?

Good God...this is frightening.
 Quoting: Beingsouthern


i had one a few weeks back when I thought Katla blew

it is NOT nice.

you shake like fuck, your heart beats so hard it seems to come out of your chest.
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Too late to protest. It's going live apparently.

ps:

HAHAAA!! they dropped the saw!!!
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They got a saw out at the well and it is cutting! Whats going on!
[link to www.bp.com]
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Looks like they dropped the saw.
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What's a panic attack feel like?

Good God...this is frightening.


i had one a few weeks back when I thought Katla blew

it is NOT nice.

you shake like fuck, your heart beats so hard it seems to come out of your chest.
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That's it!
Thanks...
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Don't worry.

The UN will be our knight in shining armor.

This will prove once and for all that they are the only entity responsible enough to handle the world's resources and environment.

now that we see the issues at stake,

the unthinkable is becoming thinkable.



Julian Huxley (1887-1975) | First director of UNESCO

Brother of
'brave new world" Aldous.

Political unification in some sort of world government will be required... Even though... any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.

Taken from UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy. Having come just one year after that appalling instance of widespread eugenics in the 3rd Reich it is staggering that this comment has never been taught in schools.
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this is really disturbing to watch...this big ass robot thing...that yellow robot light thing in the background, illuminating the leaks

it's very surreal
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What's a panic attack feel like?

Good God...this is frightening.


i had one a few weeks back when I thought Katla blew

it is NOT nice.

you shake like fuck, your heart beats so hard it seems to come out of your chest.

That's it!
Thanks...
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mornin' sugar hf

you guys have a place here with us should you ever need it
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Got the saw again.
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What's a panic attack feel like?

Good God...this is frightening.


i had one a few weeks back when I thought Katla blew

it is NOT nice.

you shake like fuck, your heart beats so hard it seems to come out of your chest.

That's it!
Thanks...

mornin' sugar hf

you guys have a place here with us should you ever need it
hugs
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Awww, sweetie.
You are such a good person.
Thank you, darling. *hugs*
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If only more had fallen for the global warming scheme, they would not have had to resort to this oil disaster scheme.


Don't worry.

The UN will be our knight in shining armor.

This will prove once and for all that they are the only entity responsible enough to handle the world's resources and environment.

now that we see the issues at stake,

the unthinkable is becoming thinkable.



Julian Huxley (1887-1975) | First director of UNESCO

Brother of
'brave new world" Aldous.

Political unification in some sort of world government will be required... Even though... any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.

Taken from UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy. Having come just one year after that appalling instance of widespread eugenics in the 3rd Reich it is staggering that this comment has never been taught in schools.
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