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Let's see.. they find what appears to be the remains of a boat in an unusual place.. and they jump to the conclusion that it's the biblical ark?

What if it was the mothership of a band of pirating rapist raiders?

Not so special now eh?

The reason the ark thing is silly is because if such a global event would have happened, there would be obvious traces everywhere, not to mention all of the stuff we have from long before that time, artifacts and whatever, would have been buried or destroyed by the water/muck/pressure.

Maybe the story is based on a real event, such as a meteor strike in the ocean, or a tsunami like we've seen a few years ago, or something. But it would have been a relatively local event that affected coastlines and not deep in-land.

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Consider these things deeply.
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The bigger question remains. Even if you found a big structure, a big ship, on Mt. Ararat, how would you ever PROVE its was Noah's and not someone elses? How would you every prove it was The Ark?
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nice find OP
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The bigger question remains. Even if you found a big structure, a big ship, on Mt. Ararat, how would you ever PROVE its was Noah's and not someone elses? How would you every prove it was The Ark?
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exact measurements are in the Bible.

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We find in verses 14-16 that God told Noah how to build the ark: "So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. Make a roof for it and finish the ark to within 18 inches of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks."

Based on measurements given in the Genesis account, most experts agree that the ark had approximately 1,500,000 cubic feet of free space. So we can gasp the size, the ark would be equivalent in volume to 522 standard American railroad stock cars, each of which can hold 240 sheep.1

The number of animals which could have been comfortably carried aboard the Ark for the duration of the voyage is in dispute for various reasons with the number fluctuating between 16,000 and 25,000. Keep in mind that not all the creatures of the earth had to be on board the ark, only air breathing, land-dwelling animals. I am reliably informed that 1,500,000 cubic feet would equal the capacity of 570 modern railroad cattle cars. Most animals are not very large, so if we surmise that the average size of all animals is the size of a sheep and one railroad stock car can carry about 240 sheep, then we could fit 40,000 animals in as few as 167 railway cars. As the Ark's total capacity was 570 cars, then 40,000 animals would require less than 30% of the Ark's space. In other words all the animals could fit on just one of the Ark's three decks which would leave the other 70% of the ark's space free for animal supplies, Noah's family, food, and any personal belongings which may have needed to be carried.

It was God alone who determined the size of the Noah's Ark
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nice find OP
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wooo hooo, I got pinned. LOL

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Turkey is in dire need of positive publicity right now as it's terrorist support flotilla is nearing Gaza. It certainly hopes people around the world will give up a good vibration for it right now.
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Whoa...wait just a second. Even IF they do find THE Noah's ark does't mean that everything in the bible is literal. There are so many things that are symbolic. The numbers are symbolic, the word world is symbolic...etc. Besides, those at the time may have only knew about their part of the world and if all they could see and knew was flooded, that may have assumed, or just called that a "world flood".

This would in NO WAY cancel out evolution. Things DO evolve and change...that's a fact. Perhaps not in the exact fashion as Darwin explains for everything, nonetheless they do.

What we need to understand is that everything in this physical world is a representaion of something in the spiritual. "The word was made flesh." This describes how something unseen as a an energy/frequency/vibration is made into something we can physically observe here in the trasient/creation. The light allows us to be able to observe these things. The light came to the flesh.

Do you see that science and beliefs really intertwine and are not separate? They are just understood differently, called by different terms. One may call it "God", another may call it the Original Energy Source without a name. One who is nameless. The One with no beginning and no end...full of potential. And out of this One, came the word (Aum), and with/through it, ALL was created.

Destination: Top of the mountain.

Path: Yours, just walk it.

Ok, so i got a little off topic, but the point is, One thing being true doesn't negate the other: Creation vs. Evolution or whatever. They are both truths, but both are half-truths. They fit together, they have to, but it has to make sense. Throw out the part that don't make sense. "God" gave you a brain, use it (or not, up to you, your freewill choice).

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True or not, maybe we should take a lesson from history and start building a few million more.

Not just enough to hold the global elite... enough to hold the global population, although there would have to be a discimination process, because the concept is unworkable.

...which brings us right back to the sorting methods of the global elite.


Personally, I'd stay on the ground. The idea of herding hordes of humans into transport containers kinda gives me the creeps.


ya know.




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Gives me the creeps too but id choose that over swimming alone in a global flood of biblical scale any day. chuckle
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Wow, They ARE serious, They really believe they have found the ark, they have scientists and members of parliament from the turkish government making statements.
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with all due respect neesie .. where ya been??? the discovery has been known about for a long time.

the press announcement may be recent, but the discovery sure isn't.
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The bigger question remains. Even if you found a big structure, a big ship, on Mt. Ararat, how would you ever PROVE its was Noah's and not someone elses? How would you every prove it was The Ark?
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C14 tests will help determine the age of the wood.
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I am reserving judgement and waiting it out. If it is Real we will know soon enough. But this time even the scientists would be fooled?



The same scientists who brought you the theories of evolution, no human soul, global warming, and the big bang........ fooled you say?
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Evolution and creationism both true, thats why mankind has to be forced to set aside differences and come together. Also most religions have a piece of the puzzle of truth, they have to come together,

This is what makes the New WORLD ORDER. a UNIFIED WORLD of cooperation.
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Whoa...wait just a second. Even IF they do find THE Noah's ark does't mean that everything in the bible is literal. There are so many things that are symbolic .. This would in NO WAY cancel out evolution.
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you and i MUST be reading different bibles.

certainly not 100% of everything is literal. but enough of it is that it should be read literally **UNLESS** the context indicates a symbolic interpretation. if it doesnt ... interpret literally!
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Wow, They ARE serious, They really believe they have found the ark, they have scientists and members of parliament from the turkish government making statements.

with all due respect neesie .. where ya been??? the discovery has been known about for a long time.

the press announcement may be recent, but the discovery sure isn't.
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I know it has been discovered, and I, just like everyone else thought it was just another noahs ark hoax. but this press release in amsterdam shows that this discovery is being taken seriously.
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the Sun, i meant SON will return too.
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When was this? I didn't see any dates. Isn't this the one that they already debunked as a fake?
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... oh ... oh! ... as I'm reading this ...
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... "as it was in the days of Noah ..." comes to mind! ...
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they found this 3 years ago. Its real. The snow started melting off the mountain tops, exposing the petrified area. When you look at the images with thermal equipment, you can see 'stalls' or stables.

Either it was a floating jail or floating zoo. Date of excavated material puts it back 4000 years or so.
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I'm just gonna start reposting this to these now.

How many times will you hear it be said they've "found a boat in Turkey that was used to hold 2 of every single animal on Earth while it rained for forty days and nights" before you stop believing them?

Thread: ::::: Noahs Ark Discovery a Hoax. They were duped...

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Evolution and creationism both true, thats why mankind has to be forced to set aside differences and come together. Also most religions have a piece of the puzzle of truth, they have to come together,

This is what makes the New WORLD ORDER. a UNIFIED WORLD of cooperation.

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That is the stance anyone of that religion should take, that's for sure. "Evolution" is there, and nothing will change that, but calling it "god's mechanism for creating new species" is one way to reconcile the religion with reality :)
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it isnt serious.

it turned out that some local kurds ferried the wood remains there in order to set up a find to attract visitors.

it happened in turkey. unfortunately.
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Evolution and creationism both true, thats why mankind has to be forced to set aside differences and come together. Also most religions have a piece of the puzzle of truth, they have to come together,

This is what makes the New WORLD ORDER. a UNIFIED WORLD of cooperation.




That is the stance anyone of that religion should take, that's for sure. "Evolution" is there, and nothing will change that, but calling it "god's mechanism for creating new species" is one way to reconcile the religion with reality :)
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Evolution has not been proven. Natural selection has.
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do they show pictures?
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One thing being true doesn't negate the other: Creation vs. Evolution or whatever. They are both truths, but both are half-truths.

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Amen to that. All different slices from the same pie.
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ADDENDUM 3: Posted 28 May 2010

Apparently, some are saying that CMI believes it’s probably the Ark, while others are saying we think the opposite. A careful reading of our statements to date should indicate that neither is an accurate representation.

Our aim at this point is to keep supporters briefly informed of really significant developments, but not overloaded with all the back and forth. Nor to go into the minutiae of the arguments for and against the various probabilities.

Recently, the discoverers held a press conference in Amsterdam. Extensive video of that conference (the interesting question time is in part 5) is at [link to www.thecreativelaboratory.com]

It includes comments by Parasut, the guide who has been named as a key figure by those proposing possible (or even likely) fraud.

There are also reports circulating of local Kurds talking about wood being taken up and planted in a cave over a period of years.

Due diligence
With our responsibilities to supporters in mind, we will have a brief face-to-face meeting in Hong Kong with NAMI leaders in early June. This is not because we have any reason to distrust the motives of the discoverers, whose evangelical track record is, according to Hong Kong missionary friends, impeccable. It is because no matter how logistically difficult a hoax would appear to be, it remains a possibility—history is replete with instances of intelligent people fooled by motivated tricksters (Jeremiah 17:9).

We have been informed that the meeting will include team members who were on the mountain and shooting the photos. Our purpose will be to better understand the chain of evidence to date, more from a forensic point of view than a scientific one. We want to make sure there weren’t any possible ways in which fraud could have been perpetrated on NAMI, helping assess the balance of probabilities regarding fraud, and trying to understand why NAMI believes it can be definitively ruled out.

As believers, we are told to ‘prove all things’ (1 Thess 5:21). That doesn’t mean waiting till the last excruciating test is completed before even letting people know of woodlined rooms under the ice high up on Ararat, of course. And in that sense, we understand NAMI’s announced desire to spread the news as widely as possible, right now, in the cause of evangelism. But if it were a straight-out hoax, (as opposed to some other ancient structure, for example) it would mean ‘major egg on the face’ for biblical Christianity. We see trying to definitively rule out hoax as a crucial issue at this point in time.

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You all do realize what it would mean if they could prove beyond a doubt that this was Noah's Ark? First of all it would mean that the events of Genesis 6 really happened. Second it would also mean that flood was indeed a planet wide flood. Third it would mean that all the scoffers and people saying that the Bible writers had merely revamped an old local Sumerian flood myth had it backwards, that all the Sumerian mythos is a vast and wide distortion and corruption of what really happened.

The list of ramnifications of such a discover is vast and profound.

It would mean that the Darwian theory of evolution and its futher evolved theories are a POS. It would also mean that Geology would have to completely rethink every thing it thinks it knows about the Earths' history.

The list goes on and on.
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Erm... no

Flood stories with arks and animals are more numerous than the one found in Genesis. The story in Genesis is actually taken from an older book called the Enuma Elish which is the Babylonian creation story Abraham learned growing up before he looked up at the stars one night and decided there could only be one God and not many gods.

All this find would prove is that at some point in time, one of the 100's of flood stories is based in reality. God doesn't need to be proved by man or science. He simply IS.
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IDK, I used to believe in all that stuff...Noah's Ark,etc. But as I've gotten older I don't buy it any longer really. This seems like a "last-ditch" attempt at keeping the people believing in Bible stories to control them? Seems pretty convenient this out now with all the other stuff going on in the world. Seems like all part of the production really.

Lets face it, If GOD wanted Noah or anyone else for that matter saved...species of animal WHATEVER? Why would GOD make Noah go through all the horseshit, blood, sweat and tears to build an Ark, ship,whatever?

GOD is creator of all and everything...so obviously HE would be the inventor of the highest technology possible! My point is GOD could just beamed Naoh and family and all animals aboard a "mothership" to save mankind, etc. then just plop Noah back on the Earth when the flooding was a cleared-up. The Noah's Ark story makes no sense at all.

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