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do doctors think they're better than janitors?

 
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do doctors think they're better than janitors?
are differing classes necessary for a functional society?

very young children don't see classes. everyone is equal. do we get this purer perception back in old age? the time between infant & elder sucks - our perception is f'cked
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Very young children have immature minds, and don't actually know anything yet. That's why we don't let very young children make decisions for themselves; we want them to mature mentally and gather some basic knowledge about the world we live in first.

Fact 1: Almost any able-bodied guy can make a good janitor with a couple of weeks of basic training.

Fact 2: Becoming a decent doctor takes years of study, and even more years of practical experience.

Hence, decent doctors are more valuable than good janitors. Everyone is not equal. Our perception is not fucked, only yours is.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Very young children have immature minds, and don't actually know anything yet. That's why we don't let very young children make decisions for themselves; we want them to mature mentally and gather some basic knowledge about the world we live in first.

Fact 1: Almost any able-bodied guy can make a good janitor with a couple of weeks of basic training.

Fact 2: Becoming a decent doctor takes years of study, and even more years of practical experience.

Hence, decent doctors are more valuable than good janitors. Everyone is not equal. Our perception is not fucked, only yours is.
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How wrong you are.

Think about it more carefully.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
janitors and doctors can be equally good and equally evil. A profession is what we do... not what we are!! Classist snobs are ignorant.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
are differing classes necessary for a functional society?

very young children don't see classes. everyone is equal. do we get this purer perception back in old age? the time between infant & elder sucks - our perception is f'cked
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980809


I don't want a degenerate half wit mop jockey putting their hands in my guts.

Janitors are scum.

They clean toilets, and not very well.

It's bad enough that doctors are sometimes frauds, so what the hell, let's let everyone be a doctor.

I don't want my doctor cleaning urinals 15 minutes before an operation.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Very young children have immature minds, and don't actually know anything yet. That's why we don't let very young children make decisions for themselves; we want them to mature mentally and gather some basic knowledge about the world we live in first.

Fact 1: Almost any able-bodied guy can make a good janitor with a couple of weeks of basic training.

Fact 2: Becoming a decent doctor takes years of study, and even more years of practical experience.

Hence, decent doctors are more valuable than good janitors. Everyone is not equal. Our perception is not fucked, only yours is.


How wrong you are.

Think about it more carefully.
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Hey Mao!

Clean up in aisle 7!
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05/29/2010 01:58 PM
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
What BULLSHIT socialist crap is this?

Of Course people who spend up to 12 post graduate years of education competing and learning and a lifetime perfecting their difficult profession think they are BETTER than a drugged half wit who likely cannot even communicate in their primary language.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Class is not a job.

Class is inner virtue... wisdom, compassion, understanding, respect for self and others, calm in the storm, honesty, integrity, etc.

People who lack class tend to class people according to outward appearance rather than inner virtue.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Class is not a job.

Class is inner virtue... wisdom, compassion, understanding, respect for self and others, calm in the storm, honesty, integrity, etc.

People who lack class tend to class people according to outward appearance rather than inner virtue.
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You're on welfare aren't you?

You are scum.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Class is not a job.

Class is inner virtue... wisdom, compassion, understanding, respect for self and others, calm in the storm, honesty, integrity, etc.

People who lack class tend to class people according to outward appearance rather than inner virtue.

You're on welfare aren't you?

You are scum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985767

Now get off that library computer, Jim.

A child with a future might need it.

It's coupon clippin' time!
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05/29/2010 02:03 PM
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The problem comes in with the perception of what equal actually is.

Equal does not mean the same.
~Grace~

“The person who wishes to be enlightened, who falls upon hard times will not turn to that friend or thing that offers him refuge and comfort and encourages their old self to survive. Rather, he will seek out someone who will faithfully and inexorably help him to risk himself, so that he may endure the difficulty and pass courageously through it. Only to the extent that a person exposes himself over and over again to annihilation, can that which is indestructible be found within them. In this daring lies dignity and the spirit of true awakening.” – Zen teacher Kalfried von Durkheim
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The problem comes in with the perception of what equal actually is.

Equal does not mean the same.
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Then you didn't pay attention at school.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Yes I know for a fact I am better than a janitor.

I can go into the bathroom and smear my feces on the walls and he will clean it up.

But if the janitor goes into my office and does the same I can have him sedated and eventually lobotomized.

I am better than a janitor.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
janitors and doctors can be equally good and equally evil. A profession is what we do... not what we are!! Classist snobs are ignorant.
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aq agreed

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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
I'd rather drink a '12er with a janitor. I would rather sniff some shit with a doctor.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
janitors and doctors can be equally good and equally evil. A profession is what we do... not what we are!! Classist snobs are ignorant.
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A doctor can never do evil. He is an instrument of his profession, which is to help perfect the human condition. A janitor however is always cutting corners and hence is innately evil.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The problem comes in with the perception of what equal actually is.

Equal does not mean the same.
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Yes, I certainly agree here.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
janitors and doctors can be equally good and equally evil. A profession is what we do... not what we are!! Classist snobs are ignorant.


A doctor can never do evil. He is an instrument of his profession, which is to help perfect the human condition. A janitor however is always cutting corners and hence is innately evil.
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bahahahahahahaha
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The problem comes in with the perception of what equal actually is.

Equal does not mean the same.

Then you didn't pay attention at school.
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They don't teach about such things in school.
~Grace~

“The person who wishes to be enlightened, who falls upon hard times will not turn to that friend or thing that offers him refuge and comfort and encourages their old self to survive. Rather, he will seek out someone who will faithfully and inexorably help him to risk himself, so that he may endure the difficulty and pass courageously through it. Only to the extent that a person exposes himself over and over again to annihilation, can that which is indestructible be found within them. In this daring lies dignity and the spirit of true awakening.” – Zen teacher Kalfried von Durkheim
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
What BULLSHIT socialist crap is this?

Of Course people who spend up to 12 post graduate years of education competing and learning and a lifetime perfecting their difficult profession think they are BETTER than a drugged half wit who likely cannot even communicate in their primary language.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 514298


Thankyou.

In my practice we have a saying, janitors are like the homeless: living organ incubators for the people who are too important for waiting lists.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The US has the most overpriced healthcare system in the world and the jackass doctors think they are god.
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The US has the most overpriced healthcare system in the world and the jackass doctors think they are god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985648


We have higher priced car BECAUSE like the leaders of a dog pack we decide more of a cut of societies wealth than the swill we treat. It is a fact of life that the ones that make the benefit for society should get the lions share. I believe people should pay healthcare taxes as well as pay for individual care. I am a crusader for people and humans on all levels but I cannot deny that I am better than most.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The US has the most overpriced healthcare system in the world and the jackass doctors think they are god.


We have higher priced car BECAUSE like the leaders of a dog pack we decide more of a cut of societies wealth than the swill we treat. It is a fact of life that the ones that make the benefit for society should get the lions share. I believe people should pay healthcare taxes as well as pay for individual care. I am a crusader for people and humans on all levels but I cannot deny that I am better than most.
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Ok thanks for demonstrating what I said is true. Jackass.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
Very young children have immature minds, and don't actually know anything yet. That's why we don't let very young children make decisions for themselves; we want them to mature mentally and gather some basic knowledge about the world we live in first.

Fact 1: Almost any able-bodied guy can make a good janitor with a couple of weeks of basic training.

Fact 2: Becoming a decent doctor takes years of study, and even more years of practical experience.

Hence, decent doctors are more valuable than good janitors. Everyone is not equal. Our perception is not fucked, only yours is.


How wrong you are.

Think about it more carefully.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985753


Care to elaborate further on the wrongness of my statements?

On a tangent, since you are Chinese:

I remember a guy who went to China and got an ordinary cold. A Chinese friend told him he should go see a doctor about it. He said it's no use, colds are caused by viruses, and there's nothing a doctor can do about it. The Chinese friend said, of course a western doctor can't do anything about it, but a traditional Chinese doctor certainly can!

The guy was intrigued´, so he weht to a recommended Chinese doctor. The doctor had him spit in a cup, and then examined the spit very carefully. Then he subscribed a few herbal teas and other things.

Three days later, the guy told his Chines friend the Chinese remedies wasn't helping any. The Chinese laughed and said: "you have to be more patient, it often takes a few weeks for Chinese medicine to start working!"

Which incidentally is enough time for the body to take care of the virus infection on its own, with or without herbal teas.

Perhaps you're right after all. A doctor and a janitor are worth the same. In China.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The US has the most overpriced healthcare system in the world and the jackass doctors think they are god.


We have higher priced car BECAUSE like the leaders of a dog pack we decide more of a cut of societies wealth than the swill we treat. It is a fact of life that the ones that make the benefit for society should get the lions share. I believe people should pay healthcare taxes as well as pay for individual care. I am a crusader for people and humans on all levels but I cannot deny that I am better than most.


Ok thanks for demonstrating what I said is true. Jackass.
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You are an asshat for you condescending tone.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
janitors and doctors can be equally good and equally evil. A profession is what we do... not what we are!! Classist snobs are ignorant.
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A doctor can never do evil. He is an instrument of his profession, which is to help perfect the human condition. A janitor however is always cutting corners and hence is innately evil.
 Quoting: Dr. Monroe 958499

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I hope you are being facetious, Dr. Monroe.

Otherwise, you are an ignoramus.

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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The US has the most overpriced healthcare system in the world and the jackass doctors think they are god.


We have higher priced car BECAUSE like the leaders of a dog pack we decide more of a cut of societies wealth than the swill we treat. It is a fact of life that the ones that make the benefit for society should get the lions share. I believe people should pay healthcare taxes as well as pay for individual care. I am a crusader for people and humans on all levels but I cannot deny that I am better than most.


Ok thanks for demonstrating what I said is true. Jackass.


You are an asshat for you condescending tone.
 Quoting: Dr. Monroe 958499


Well, I'm sure that being a doctor and all, you have better things to do than hang around on GLP. Don't you have some patients to maim, injure and kill while you suck every cent they have out of them?
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The US has the most overpriced healthcare system in the world and the jackass doctors think they are god.


We have higher priced car BECAUSE like the leaders of a dog pack we decide more of a cut of societies wealth than the swill we treat. It is a fact of life that the ones that make the benefit for society should get the lions share. I believe people should pay healthcare taxes as well as pay for individual care. I am a crusader for people and humans on all levels but I cannot deny that I am better than most.


Ok thanks for demonstrating what I said is true. Jackass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985648



You are the Jackass, especially if you believe all the socialist crap that was fed to you by the dimwit educators you were exposed to.

Resources are limited, hence a market economy. People with greater value aquire more resources.

I know it sucks to be you, but deal with it, or else move to a socialist hell hole where everyone receives equal amounts of crap.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
The US has the most overpriced healthcare system in the world and the jackass doctors think they are god.


We have higher priced car BECAUSE like the leaders of a dog pack we decide more of a cut of societies wealth than the swill we treat. It is a fact of life that the ones that make the benefit for society should get the lions share. I believe people should pay healthcare taxes as well as pay for individual care. I am a crusader for people and humans on all levels but I cannot deny that I am better than most.


Ok thanks for demonstrating what I said is true. Jackass.


You are an asshat for you condescending tone.


Well, I'm sure that being a doctor and all, you have better things to do than hang around on GLP. Don't you have some patients to maim, injure and kill while you suck every cent they have out of them?
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If a patient is maimed or injured it is because they moved during surgery or they deliberately harmed themselves in an attempt to swindle money and the real question is what would you pay for health? Some of your money, or all of it? A doctor has every right to answer that question for you and if a patient looks like they may not have it, then we extract a souvenir during surgery.

It is also a myth that doctors are always busy. That is what interns are for, and the longer a patient is left in surgery the more compensation, so, yes I can be online as long as I want.
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Re: do doctors think they're better than janitors?
This is my utopia


Everyone makes the same amount. You earn more by the more work (hours) you contribute. People will decide what they want from their society (hospitals, vehicles, houses), the facilities are built, and manned according to need and ability. People are different, some can be doctors, some can only be janitors. It is not their fault. SO for teh good of society, it will be published by the community heads (not govt) what jobs are needed to be filled to satisfy the needs/wants of the society. People would learn/practice their skills based on their talents and thier ability to fill a role, keeping in mind that some roles absoultely need to be filled. Again, everyone makes the same.. its the hours you put in. The drawback... with our current political boundaries, trade wouldn't work. It would have to be a global community, with areas specializing in their local populations desires. You would be working for the benefit of everyone, everybody's work would be appreciated, and their wouldn't be the huge divide in classes like exist today. It asks for people to forego their selfishness for the benefit of everyone, but that goes against everything we currently believe. Lower taxes, let people go without insurace, etc.

...also work days would be shorter since we wouldnt be working to fatten someones wallet with surplus sales. Just working to provide what is needed for the society... less waste, less work, everyone is cared for.


What is better than that?

oh yah... lazy people. Exiled. If you cant manage to work 3-4 hours GTFO. Handicapped will be given jobs they can handle. Vegetables, probably euthanasia, that has to suck. They will come back anyways :)
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This is my utopia


SNIP
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That's not Utopia. That's Communism.
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