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BREAKING! Simmons Calls For Obama to Kick Out BP; Military To Nuke Oil Leak

 
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Certainly the sediment is thick. I am attempting to load up some sedimentary thickness and composition data located here.

[link to coastalmap.marine.usgs.gov]

This may take awhile, but I should be able to provide at least some insight into the depth/thickness of the sediment, and the consistency of it. It can't all be pudding, it has to turn into something more solid as you go deeper.

BTW that link has lots more data that might be useful, so anybody that has familiarity with GIS software should dig in and report back. I will do what I can.


Sediment does NOT equal "bed rock!"
 Quoting: MotherGoose


Ok, sediment does not equal bedrock. However to pretend it is pudding also throws out your fault line junk. How can you have dangerous fault lines in some pudding? And again, the a few kiloton explosion is not going to trigger some massive volcanic crumbling of the faults in the area.

Anyways, I am signing up with ERSI right now and will download the GIS Explorer for linux and attempt to get that installed. I will be back here with real data but it may not be for awhile.
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I gotta say, GLP is awfully hard to read sometimes. Most of you folks have no connection to reality and lack even a cursory understanding of physics or any other science.

They are talking about putting a nuke in the bedrock, somewhat next to the tube that brings the oil up, then detonating the nuke so that it pushes the rock over and collapses the tube.

They can set the nuke to be only as powerful as needed. There would be little noticable shock even at the sea floor, let alone at the surface or shore. People greatly overestimate the power of a nuclear bomb when buried deep underground.





If this is so easy and safe, why haven't they done it already?


Sorry MG! This looks like your quote when in fact it was quoted by an AC! hf
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No problem! :Group-Hug:
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[b]Sediment does NOT equal "bed rock!"


Ok, sediment does not equal bedrock. However to pretend it is pudding also throws out your fault line junk. How can you have dangerous fault lines in some pudding? And again, the a few kiloton explosion is not going to trigger some massive volcanic crumbling of the faults in the area.

Anyways, I am signing up with ERSI right now and will download the GIS Explorer for linux and attempt to get that installed. I will be back here with real data but it may not be for awhile.
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Got your data right here buddy..

[link to www.utdallas.edu]
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Re: BREAKING! Simmons Calls For Obama to Kick Out BP; Military To Nuke Oil Leak
watch this video ... it's an interview of Mike Williams (chief electronics engineer on the Deepwater Horizon) ... was recorded by 60 minutes ....

on the video from about 4 minutes into the footage, Mike Williams says that they were drilling a well nearby and because they were told to 'speed things up', the well fractured and they abandoned that well and started drilling a new well nearby

so perhaps this is the well that is nearby and leaking heavily?


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Holy bat weenies
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I gotta say, GLP is awfully hard to read sometimes. Most of you folks have no connection to reality and lack even a cursory understanding of physics or any other science.

They are talking about putting a nuke in the bedrock, somewhat next to the tube that brings the oil up, then detonating the nuke so that it pushes the rock over and collapses the tube.

They can set the nuke to be only as powerful as needed. There would be little noticable shock even at the sea floor, let alone at the surface or shore. People greatly overestimate the power of a nuclear bomb when buried deep underground.





If this is so easy and safe, why haven't they done it already?


Sorry MG! This looks like your quote when in fact it was quoted by an AC! hf


No problem! :Group-Hug:
 Quoting: MotherGoose


Nice, doesn't matter what people are saying at GLP, only WHO is saying it. What a bunch of dorks you two are.
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[b]Sediment does NOT equal "bed rock!"


Ok, sediment does not equal bedrock. However to pretend it is pudding also throws out your fault line junk. How can you have dangerous fault lines in some pudding? And again, the a few kiloton explosion is not going to trigger some massive volcanic crumbling of the faults in the area.

Anyways, I am signing up with ERSI right now and will download the GIS Explorer for linux and attempt to get that installed. I will be back here with real data but it may not be for awhile.


Got your data right here buddy..

[link to www.utdallas.edu]
 Quoting: MotherGoose


That data is only marginally relevant. Who here knows how to interpret gravity anomolies, or if they are even relevant to the discussion?

There is one image in there that appears to show some depth of sediment, bedrock, whatever, but the document seems to indicate that is for the "Texas coastal plains", which is not what we are talking about.
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It's easy to point fingers and blame someone else for this tragedy!

But, we are all responsible for this.

Every time we pump gas into our vehicles and anything else.
Every time we use any petroleum based products like most plastics.

We support the BPs of the world. If we stopped using oil based products they would all go out of business.

Pumping oil out of the Earth should be criminalized!

It's like leaching blood from your mother!

Mother Earth.

Mother Earth meant for the oil to stay within it's depths, just as blood is meant to stay within our bodies.

We in our greed have been sucking this substance out of the Earth.

What for? So we can live in more comfort than we need. So we can make more money for objects we don't really need.

For satisfying our insatiable Egos!

This is a sign, that enough is enough!!!

We are being told to wake up or we will lose our home the Earth. This is nothing compared to what bigger disasters await us if we don't act now!

It is all in our own hands!

If you don't feed evil, evil will die!

So stop pointing at the evil and blaming it, while constantly feeding it with the other hand.

Just stop feeding it.
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That data is only marginally relevant. Who here knows how to interpret gravity anomolies, or if they are even relevant to the discussion?

There is one image in there that appears to show some depth of sediment, bedrock, whatever, but the document seems to indicate that is for the "Texas coastal plains", which is not what we are talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 938119



You are calling everyone morns for not believing a nuke is a good idea but you got NOTHING!! Your game is weak!

"EARLY MESOZOIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE GULF OF
MEXICO
Breakup of Pangea often exploited the suture between Laurasia and
Gondwana
(Ouachita orogen) and, on the eastern U.S. seaboard, was
Early Mesozoic tectonic map of southwest Laurentia (modi-
fi ed from W.R. Dickinson sketch map, 2008, personal commun.). Bor-
derlands rift system is defi ned by siliciclastic and carbonate trough of
Jurassic age (Lawton and McMillan 1999; Dickinson and Lawton 2001).
Buried uplifts: SU—Sabine Uplift, MU—Monroe Uplift, WU—Wiggins
Uplift. Partially exposed uplift: LU—Llano Uplift, SOA—Southern
Oklahoma aulacogen uplift. COB—Continent-ocean boundary. "


AND, this is not a game.

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Re: BREAKING! Simmons Calls For Obama to Kick Out BP; Military To Nuke Oil Leak
Simmons went on to say ” Such techniques have been used by the Russians on several different occasions”.
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no bs; they've used nukes to close such a leak on 5 occasions, of which 4 were succesful
they've used nukes for other underground operations as well
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames'

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It's easy to point fingers and blame someone else for this tragedy!

But, we are all responsible for this.

Every time we pump gas into our vehicles and anything else.
Every time we use any petroleum based products like most plastics.

We support the BPs of the world. If we stopped using oil based products they would all go out of business.

Pumping oil out of the Earth should be criminalized!

It's like leaching blood from your mother!

Mother Earth.

Mother Earth meant for the oil to stay within it's depths, just as blood is meant to stay within our bodies.

We in our greed have been sucking this substance out of the Earth.

What for? So we can live in more comfort than we need. So we can make more money for objects we don't really need.

For satisfying our insatiable Egos!

This is a sign, that enough is enough!!!

We are being told to wake up or we will lose our home the Earth. This is nothing compared to what bigger disasters await us if we don't act now!

It is all in our own hands!

If you don't feed evil, evil will die!

So stop pointing at the evil and blaming it, while constantly feeding it with the other hand.

Just stop feeding it.
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We all feel pretty trapped into it's use, but you are right, its use must stop!
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That data is only marginally relevant. Who here knows how to interpret gravity anomolies, or if they are even relevant to the discussion?

There is one image in there that appears to show some depth of sediment, bedrock, whatever, but the document seems to indicate that is for the "Texas coastal plains", which is not what we are talking about.



You are calling everyone morns for not believing a nuke is a good idea but you got NOTHING!! You're game is weak!

AND, this is not a game.
 Quoting: MotherGoose


You are a silly trivial person that is willing to use any irrelevant data to support what you believe.

I am still installing ArcReader, I will at least provide some location specific data regarding whats under the ground at the well site. From that we can try to find out what material the nuke would (potentially) be set off in, and try to find out if an underground nuke has ever been tested in said material, and what the effects would be. Rather than just making assumptions.
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That data is only marginally relevant. Who here knows how to interpret gravity anomolies, or if they are even relevant to the discussion?

There is one image in there that appears to show some depth of sediment, bedrock, whatever, but the document seems to indicate that is for the "Texas coastal plains", which is not what we are talking about.



You are calling everyone morns for not believing a nuke is a good idea but you got NOTHING!! You're game is weak!

AND, this is not a game.


You are a silly trivial person that is willing to use any irrelevant data to support what you believe.

I am still installing ArcReader, I will at least provide some location specific data regarding whats under the ground at the well site. From that we can try to find out what material the nuke would (potentially) be set off in, and try to find out if an underground nuke has ever been tested in said material, and what the effects would be. Rather than just making assumptions.
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LOL Install away.. PLEASE!!
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I gotta say, GLP is awfully hard to read sometimes. Most of you folks have no connection to reality and lack even a cursory understanding of physics or any other science.

They are talking about putting a nuke in the bedrock, somewhat next to the tube that brings the oil up, then detonating the nuke so that it pushes the rock over and collapses the tube.

They can set the nuke to be only as powerful as needed. There would be little noticable shock even at the sea floor, let alone at the surface or shore. People greatly overestimate the power of a nuclear bomb when buried deep underground.





If this is so easy and safe, why haven't they done it already?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985651


Well said!!!
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...

There is 2 miles of earth between the ocean floor and the oil deposit, so about a mile or so deep sounds about right to me. That deep it would hardly be a "POOF" on the sea floor.


It's 6.6 miles
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Whered you get 6.6 miles? I thought it was roughly 18,000 feet below seabed. That would be about 3.4 miles.
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Theyre drilling two relief wells.

? ->

One for the actual relief well and the other as a contingency for possible nuke use?
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...

There is 2 miles of earth between the ocean floor and the oil deposit, so about a mile or so deep sounds about right to me. That deep it would hardly be a "POOF" on the sea floor.


It's 6.6 miles


Whered you get 6.6 miles? I thought it was roughly 18,000 feet below seabed. That would be about 3.4 miles.
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He, she, it is clearly trying to "muddy the waters" so to speak.


propoganda
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If you haven't seen this yet you need to watch it to grasp the concept of closing it with a nuke.



[link to www.youtube.com]


Interesting..Watched something just like this in the past..might work if its well under the seafloor..100 feet or more..in solid rock its 1100 feet deep..but not to sure on ocean bed..This may not work..

I hope they warn the people before and get them off the coast just in case..This is a heads up..make back up plans now just in case..
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Surely it will burst in secret!
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I would sell my house (and before it becomes worthless) as quickly as possible and move to a safer place!!!
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Im scared for what I am leaving my child... He didnt do anything wrong..
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Simmons went on to say ” Such techniques have been used by the Russians on several different occasions”.
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"The first happened in Uzbekistan, on September 30, 1966 with a blast 1.5 times the strength of the Hiroshima bomb and at a depth of 1.5 kilometers. KP also notes that subterranean nuclear blasts were used as much as 169 times in the Soviet Union to accomplish fairly mundane tasks like creating underground storage spaces for gas or building canals."

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Somebody explain..why would they nuke it?? When did Russia do something like that??


you would insert and explosive into the canal in hopes that it would cave in upon itself.
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that's all we need someone playing russian roullette with the floor of the ocean......."in the hopes of"................great.........
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Somebody explain..why would they nuke it?? When did Russia do something like that??


you would insert and explosive into the canal in hopes that it would cave in upon itself.

that's all we need someone playing russian roullette with the floor of the ocean......."in the hopes of"................great.........
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Insanity, isn't it? :blank-stare:
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It's easy to point fingers and blame someone else for this tragedy!

But, we are all responsible for this.

Every time we pump gas into our vehicles and anything else.
Every time we use any petroleum based products like most plastics.

We support the BPs of the world. If we stopped using oil based products they would all go out of business.

Pumping oil out of the Earth should be criminalized!

It's like leaching blood from your mother!

Mother Earth.

Mother Earth meant for the oil to stay within it's depths, just as blood is meant to stay within our bodies.

We in our greed have been sucking this substance out of the Earth.

What for? So we can live in more comfort than we need. So we can make more money for objects we don't really need.

For satisfying our insatiable Egos!

This is a sign, that enough is enough!!!

We are being told to wake up or we will lose our home the Earth. This is nothing compared to what bigger disasters await us if we don't act now!

It is all in our own hands!

If you don't feed evil, evil will die!

So stop pointing at the evil and blaming it, while constantly feeding it with the other hand.

Just stop feeding it.



We all feel pretty trapped into it's use, but you are right, its use must stop!
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I've advocated going back to horses. Could you imagine thousands of horses on the freeway? When I tell this to someone, they look at me very strangely and change the subject....
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Somebody explain..why would they nuke it?? When did Russia do something like that??


you would insert and explosive into the canal in hopes that it would cave in upon itself.

that's all we need someone playing russian roullette with the floor of the ocean......."in the hopes of"................great.........



Insanity, isn't it? :blank-stare:
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Is very radiation in the Barents Sea also
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That data is only marginally relevant. Who here knows how to interpret gravity anomolies, or if they are even relevant to the discussion?

There is one image in there that appears to show some depth of sediment, bedrock, whatever, but the document seems to indicate that is for the "Texas coastal plains", which is not what we are talking about.



You are calling everyone morns for not believing a nuke is a good idea but you got NOTHING!! You're game is weak!

AND, this is not a game.


You are a silly trivial person that is willing to use any irrelevant data to support what you believe.

I am still installing ArcReader, I will at least provide some location specific data regarding whats under the ground at the well site. From that we can try to find out what material the nuke would (potentially) be set off in, and try to find out if an underground nuke has ever been tested in said material, and what the effects would be. Rather than just making assumptions.
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Good job
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They got nothing to lose as it stands but could this nuke make it worse,like a huge fire hole,anyways to much oil out now and its time to jail those fuckers for what they did.
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Some of you who think Matt Simmons is a "good guy" and is just offering his expertise are clearly retarded.

Not only is he a CFR member and an oil industry investment banker, but he's also a control freak sicko elite who likes placing nasty little wagers with other elites against mankind.

For instance, check his wikipedia page. He placed a wager in 2005 with other elites that the price of oil would hit $200 per barrel in 2010. What year is this? Yeah, time is running out on his little wager. But he still has a chance to win if he does enough manipulating.

And since he's an oil industry investment banker who is pushing the nuke option, he's certainly perfectly positioned to make a bundle off of this situation going horribly wrong. He's a Peak Oil guy, so his goal is less oil, not more oil. Irradiating the gulf would definitely cause less oil for a very long time.

This is how elites get their jollies. They've already got all the money in the world, so they wager on doom, often related to eugenics.

One of the people that he placed that wager with is Rita Simon, the widow of Julian Simon. Now check his wikipedia (Julian Simon) and look at the kind of wagers that he had going. This sicko was wagering on the increasing amounts of nitrous oxide in the atmosphere having measurable detrimental effects on human welfare. How fun!

Nice, huh? What kind of person does that? The same kind of control freak elites who the mainstream media present as experts in order to convince you that nuking the gulf is the only solution.

So the morale of the story is this: If the MSM offers "an expert" to sell you on an idea or concept, you'd better look into that person before you just decide that they're trying to help, because all they're really trying to do is help minimize the number of useless eaters on the planet and benefit from your suffering and/or demise.

Sadly enough, the nuke option will probably be utilized. It seems to be already set into motion and probably has been from the start. Now they're just trying to popularize it so that the masses of sheep beg for the gulf to be nuked. "Oh please nuke our gulf! Please kill all of our fish and create a tsunami that washes all of the oil and dispersants onto our shores and further inland! Blast the toxic water up into the atmosphere so that it rains down on our gardens and crops! Hopefully it will also contaminate all of our drinking water and lakes and streams and......."

Good luck with that. Doom is about to become reality. Be careful what you wish for.
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Somebody explain..why would they nuke it?? When did Russia do something like that??


you would insert and explosive into the canal in hopes that it would cave in upon itself.

that's all we need someone playing russian roullette with the floor of the ocean......."in the hopes of"................great.........
 Quoting: fillantpre 985912


The nuke was placed above the well, and the effect was like the one in Tanguska event on June 30, 1908
Explosion was so powerfull that caved the hole/well and level everything around.
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That data is only marginally relevant. Who here knows how to interpret gravity anomolies, or if they are even relevant to the discussion?

There is one image in there that appears to show some depth of sediment, bedrock, whatever, but the document seems to indicate that is for the "Texas coastal plains", which is not what we are talking about.



You are calling everyone morns for not believing a nuke is a good idea but you got NOTHING!! You're game is weak!

AND, this is not a game.


You are a silly trivial person that is willing to use any irrelevant data to support what you believe.

I am still installing ArcReader, I will at least provide some location specific data regarding whats under the ground at the well site. From that we can try to find out what material the nuke would (potentially) be set off in, and try to find out if an underground nuke has ever been tested in said material, and what the effects would be. Rather than just making assumptions.


LOL Install away.. PLEASE!!
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I was not able to open all of the data layers, only one of them. Apparently you need some ancient version of ARC GIS to open the other layers (including the legend).

Anyways, you were correct in that the sediment layer is extremely deep in the GOM (on the order of kilometers), however the soft sediment layer is not nearly as deep, most of the depth is sedimentary rock.
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Kiss goodbye all marine life in the gulf then, top to bottom, for the next 10,000 years. And what about the currents and the radiation? What about evaporation and rainfall?

This is just another part of the NWO plan to kill us all, one way or the other.

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