Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 2,067 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 861,306
Pageviews Today: 1,531,903Threads Today: 650Posts Today: 11,486
05:34 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 963494
United States
06/07/2010 09:52 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
I'm not going to look up the verses, but Job 38 talks about the creation where the mornings stars sang together and sons of God shouted for joy. Morning Stars are angels, Sons of God were/are heavenly inhabitants similar to angels, but not exactly the race of man either.
Not the sons of Seth though.
The Sons of God did not take sides in the great war against the fallen angels.
They are our "ancient aliens." It's why they will not find so called "alien dna" because all that would be found is markers, not something different from ours. This is why they could take wives among men and have children.
Whoever said there might be something older than the Sumerian texts, yes there was. But unless something has been uncovered deep in the earth from pre-flood times, it is only around in oral tradition and written in semi symbolism.
It does exist in some written forms that would surprise many. JRR Tolkiens "The Silmarillion" contains some of it. The legends of the Tuatha de Danann in Ireland and Scotland contain some of it. Compare with Sumerian text, the Bible, etc. Uncover the symbolism and separate from the literal history.
Don't expect to figure it out in one day unless you already know. More like decades of research, again, unless you already know.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 995611
United States
06/07/2010 01:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
You may be on to something
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 854146
Canada
06/07/2010 01:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
The Suns of God were not fallen angels. They chose to come here to help those who wished to free themselves from their own bondage.

What if the Suns of God were here again and nobody could hear their message? The tower of babel blinds us all.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 995611
United States
06/07/2010 03:05 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
I agree that they were neither angels or sons of the sethite line.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 666822
United States
06/07/2010 03:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
There are many misunderstandings about sons of God and the nephilim. I will address seven faulty beliefs that have contributed to these misunderstandings. They will be addressed one at a time to allow for clarification. Below is an inconclusive list of the faulty beliefs which have caused the lack of understanding. Sometimes when attempting to find the truth it is better to remove that which is not true. Considering the faulty statements below, then what is left to be true? This will be revealed in agreement with biblical text using the King James Version of the Bible.

1. The nephilim giants were on the earth AFTER the flood.

2. Sons of God are fallen angels.

3. Sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 are from the Godly line of Seth

4. ."Sons of God" in Genesis 6 is better translated as "kings" or "sons of nobles" and "Nephilim" is best translated as "princes" or "great men." That is, the "sons of God" were royalty or aristocrats who were generally immoral and married common women, possibly against their will or despite their already being married.

5. The sons of God mentioned in Job 38:4-7 were angels.

6. The presentation of sons of God before God to give an account of their "missions" as mentioned in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 was being done on earth.

7. Sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 were humans from planet earth.

Thanks for reading................
 Quoting: TRAINED FOR THIS


[link to www.michaelsheiser.com]

You do realize your bible is just a rehash of Canaanite beliefs?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 854146
Canada
06/07/2010 03:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
I agree that they were neither angels or sons of the sethite line.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 995611


They were born to human bodies like everybody else and chose to descend here from the Sun of God level. They are Golden Angels or the Blue Race Beings (Kachina's). They are giants because they chose a spiritual path to expand their Holy Spirits/Ligthbodies back to the Sun of God level while in a human physical body. Anybody with eyes that see will see their Holy Spirit as giants. They were not physical giants.
TexasAndIsraelForever​

User ID: 988437
United States
06/07/2010 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
I used to read KJV ONLY, until I read a few things. I assume you're baptist, and that is great. We're all in good company here.

About Biblical translation-

From what text was the KJV translated from?

Ancient Greek and Hebrew texts. As close to the "original" as you can get. If you consider the Bible the infallible divine inspiration, you must concede that a more "pure" and correct version would be the original writings, right?

Semicolons and Nephilim

Why, if Nephilim did not last past Genesis 6, was Moses' scouts afraid to inhabit the land of Canaan? Was it not from the giants - The Nephilim - who lived there?

Read Numbers 13 if you want to see for yourself.

It doesn't matter what translation you read, we can all agree that Moses lived *after* Noah.
MHz

User ID: 988049
Canada
06/07/2010 04:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
Thanks for reading................
 Quoting: TRAINED FOR THIS

Thanks for posting lol
MHz

User ID: 988049
Canada
06/07/2010 04:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
I used to read KJV ONLY, until I read a few things. I assume you're baptist, and that is great. We're all in good company here.

About Biblical translation-

From what text was the KJV translated from?

Ancient Greek and Hebrew texts. As close to the "original" as you can get. If you consider the Bible the infallible divine inspiration, you must concede that a more "pure" and correct version would be the original writings, right?

Semicolons and Nephilim

Why, if Nephilim did not last past Genesis 6, was Moses' scouts afraid to inhabit the land of Canaan? Was it not from the giants - The Nephilim - who lived there?

Read Numbers 13 if you want to see for yourself.

It doesn't matter what translation you read, we can all agree that Moses lived *after* Noah.
 Quoting: TexasAndIsraelForever

It is possible that the wives of Noah's sons had been somewhat contaminated by being related to the Giants. From the 1st generation of off-spring there should be 4 generations and then God considers them to be fully human again. I think it was Seth who settled in Canaan so that is where those giants came from. Only about 11ft tall. the Giants from pre-flood could be as large as any statue that has any remains at all left today.

Ex.20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
TRAINED FOR THIS  (OP)

User ID: 996430
United States
06/08/2010 03:21 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
OP is spouting out the Moody traditions. Moody traditions work in the "fairytale" area.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: Moody has never given the true understanding of “sons of God”.

For an example: They think that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil had some fruit on it of some kind and they usually teach their children that Adam and Eve ate an apple.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: That would make a good topic at another date since it is obvious you believe that the fruit mentioned in the Bible was symbolic.

The whole spill of words of OP's first posting tells me that OP is so off base that it is not even funny.
He talks as if he or she can read the manuscripts, and from what I see, (using the ; semicolon ) as the basis of his presentation is so damned funny that it hurts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: First of all, how does one “talk” as if they can read manuscript? Secondly, your improper use of the parenthesis in the quote above reveals your lack of knowledge of punctuation for the English language. What you have placed in parenthesis has not amplified nor explained anything. Remember that when you use the parenthesis, the sentence should still make sense even if you remove the information within the parenthesis. Consider if your compound sentence makes sense when I remove all that is within the parenthesis.

“and from what I see, as the basis of his presentation is so #@#@#@# funny that it hurts.”

However, if you remove the parenthesis, the sentence is more than just two prepositional phrases before the verb “is”, as you may observe below.

“and from what I see, using the semicolon (;) as the basis of his presentation is so #@#@#@#@ funny that it hurts.”

That pain you claim to be experiencing may very well be your pride from having your ignorance revealed. Therefore you have certainly none yourself no favor in attempting to ridicule the proper use of punctuation when reading Genesis 6 in regards to their being giants “after” the flood.

OP, you cannot read the manuscripts and you are a liar saying you can and you did by presenting this posting in a format that indicates that you can.
You are eating Satan's puss and presenting it as good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: Whether or not I can read the original manuscripts is not at issue here. I never said I could not and I never said I could. What is at issue is whether or not I, you or anyone else can read “English”, since the KJV Bible is in English.

Tell us old wise one, what the tree of knowledge of good and evil is, can you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: This is a nice subject for another thread.

Where in the bible is the second influx of the fallen angels mentioned? Do you know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: There can’t be a second influx of fallen angels if there was never a “first” influx of fallen angels mentioned in the Bible. There was no need for an influx of fallen angels to be mentioned in the Bible since they were already stationed all over the Universe when they fell, including in this solar system.

Do you know how the manuscripts present Gen. 6:1 to 4 at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: That is an easy answer. Every true born again believer knows that answer. It is just as the KJV Bible presents it since God does not make mistakes. Of course only a spiritual mind could understand such matters and every true born again believer has a spiritual mind. It is also available for you.

I doubt very much that you would even respond to my questions, because it would reveal you are a poor student in the Word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 980325

Reply: Thanks for asking.......and

Thanks for commenting.....................
CaptBill

User ID: 914302
United States
06/08/2010 03:35 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
This will be revealed in agreement with biblical text using the King James Version of the Bible.


The "king james version" is not a PURE version; it was translated with many errors which supported the homosexual agenda of King James, as wel as the erroneous "divine right of kings."

You'd be better of reading the Septuagint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 975801


So, Divine right of Kings, is gay you say?

So the King of America (go read the Mayflower Compact again) was GAY you say?

NONSENSE
Abrahams Altar
FOUND IN JERUSALEM
[link to MountoftheLord.blogspot.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 991727
Australia
06/08/2010 03:41 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
no
TRAINED FOR THIS  (OP)

User ID: 996430
United States
06/08/2010 04:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
There are many misunderstandings about sons of God and the nephilim. I will address seven faulty beliefs that have contributed to these misunderstandings. They will be addressed one at a time to allow for clarification. Below is an inconclusive list of the faulty beliefs which have caused the lack of understanding. Sometimes when attempting to find the truth it is better to remove that which is not true. Considering the faulty statements below, then what is left to be true? This will be revealed in agreement with biblical text using the King James Version of the Bible.

1. The nephilim giants were on the earth AFTER the flood.


I will cut to the chase on this false belief and tell you that there were no nephilim alive and walking the earth after the flood. Now the reason for the confusion is easy to ascertain. It is simply a grammatical error by the reader (not the writer) in regards to punctuation when they read Genesis 6:4.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

There is most definitely a semicolon after the word "days". The semicolon is used to separate two sentences. Therefore the sentence can be read ALL by itself and still make sense. Observe the example:

“And also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

Taking this into account you will notice the writer is explaining “WHEN” the nephilim became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. They became that way AFTER and WHEN the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men AND they bore children to them. Allow me to use the words “after that” in a totally different sentence to help comprehend the way of speaking at the time of the writing of the English Bible and is still being used that way today. Observe;

“And also after that, when he had bumped his head on the jagged rock, his head began to bleed.”

Now you know when his head began to bleed. This is elementary English and should be no problem for anyone understanding the rules of punctuation.

Now it should be plainly seen that the Bible was not saying that the Nephilim were there at that time and also later in time. You cannot choose to dismiss the semicolon and to continue to hold the erroneous view. To do so would only mean that one needs to go back and learn elementary English. As you can see, we need nothing but the KJV to correct this problem.

Thanks for reading...............
 Quoting: TRAINED FOR THIS

For clarification purposes it is important to understand that there were no nephilim who were the results of the mating of sons of God with the daughters of men. All of them were destroyed with the flood.

Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

This does not mean there would be no other giants after the flood but there would be no more giants with DNA from "sons of God". They were ALL destroyed as the Bible states. It is erroneous to believe that just because there were giants mentioned in the Bible that they were offsprings of "sons of God". There have always have been genetic changes that caused natural giants and these genetic rarities yet remain and are in no way associated with "sons of God".

In conclusion ALL the offsprings of the "sons of God" were giants but ALL giants in the Bible were not offsprings of "sons of God". What remains is to fully understand who these "sons of God" were. Who were they then, who are they and where are they now? I will answer these questions later.

Thanks for reading............
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 996650
United States
06/08/2010 09:28 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 980850
United States
06/09/2010 01:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
Wow.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 997978
United States
06/09/2010 01:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
the watcher is
bump

the sons of God are sons of adam and eve ,while they lived in the garden , and remaind when mom and dad got the boot , and now your labor pains will be increased ,increased , yeah ,have to know pain before it can be increased , the sons of GOD liked the giant mortal women , the cildren they had were imortal with great power and were very small beings with no sex organs or desiere to mate











g
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 998401
United States
06/09/2010 09:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 998856
United States
06/10/2010 09:26 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
the watcher is
bump

the sons of God are sons of adam and eve ,while they lived in the garden , and remaind when mom and dad got the boot , and now your labor pains will be increased ,increased , yeah ,have to know pain before it can be increased , the sons of GOD liked the giant mortal women , the cildren they had were imortal with great power and were very small beings with no sex organs or desiere to mate

g
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 997978

Adam and Eve did not have children until they were out of the Garden of Eden.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 999459
United States
06/10/2010 09:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 897674
Canada
06/10/2010 11:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 663058
United States
06/11/2010 01:04 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
You almost have it right, but you still have some wrong.
TRAINED FOR THIS  (OP)

User ID: 1001305
United States
06/12/2010 07:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
There are many misunderstandings about sons of God and the nephilim. I will address seven faulty beliefs that have contributed to these misunderstandings. They will be addressed one at a time to allow for clarification. Below is an inconclusive list of the faulty beliefs which have caused the lack of understanding. Sometimes when attempting to find the truth it is better to remove that which is not true. Considering the faulty statements below, then what is left to be true? This will be revealed in agreement with biblical text using the King James Version of the Bible.

3. Sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 are from the Godly line of Seth
 Quoting: TRAINED FOR THIS

This position is held today in error by many Christians. It is easy for them to take this position because they have limited themselves to knowing and understanding the awesome abilities of God (which I will explain later). In the Bible the phrase “sons of God” carries a very unique distinction. First of all, other than Jesus, the only “named” human that was born on Earth and given the distinction of “the son of God” was Adam.

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

This is because in order to carry that distinction physically, one must be without sin. Adam was without sin when he was created and was created holy and righteous. All humanity after Adam would fall victims to the same sinful nature and would only have the ability to “become” sons of God; which would include Seth and all his children.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

In the book of Romans there is a “spiritual” designation given to humans who are true born again believers, however this position does not become physical until we receive our new bodies.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The Bible declares that the we are anxiously awaiting to become revealed as the “sons of God”.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


In conclusion, neither Seth nor any of his descendants were considered as physical sons of God in the Bible.

Thanks for reading................
-Sprite-

User ID: 958617
United States
06/12/2010 07:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
Well then OP, what the hell WERE the Sons of God?
It's happy little Sprite everybody.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 999542
United States
06/12/2010 07:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
Well then OP, what the hell WERE the Sons of God?
 Quoting: -Sprite-

lolsign
TRAINED FOR THIS  (OP)

User ID: 1001305
United States
06/12/2010 07:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
Well then OP, what the hell WERE the Sons of God?
 Quoting: -Sprite-

Reply: That answer is forthcoming as I use this process of elimination. There are only 4 more to be eliminated and then the answer will be clear. If understood, the answer is actually found in Job 38:4-7.

Thanks for asking...........
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1001402
United States
06/12/2010 08:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
OP, so you don't believe there are any nephilim on earth right now?

Also, who do you think Jesus was? Do you think that Jesus was God?
TRAINED FOR THIS  (OP)

User ID: 1001305
United States
06/12/2010 08:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
OP, so you don't believe there are any nephilim on earth right now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1001402


Reply: All nephilim associated with sons of God mating with daughters of men were destroyed at the flood.

Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

The word nephilim was an old name for giant. There have certainly been other giants, but not with dna from "sons of God".

Also, who do you think Jesus was? Do you think that Jesus was God?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1001402

Reply: I do not think Jesus just "WAS" God. I "KNOW" that Jesus "IS" God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Thanks for asking............
ThreshingSword
User ID: 1001457
United States
06/12/2010 09:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
OP, so you don't believe there are any nephilim on earth right now?

Reply: All nephilim associated with sons of God mating with daughters of men were destroyed at the flood.

Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

The word nephilim was an old name for giant. There have certainly been other giants, but not with dna from "sons of God".


Also, who do you think Jesus was? Do you think that Jesus was God?

Reply: I do not think Jesus just "WAS" God. I "KNOW" that Jesus "IS" God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Thanks for asking............
 Quoting: TRAINED FOR THIS


I kinda know where you're going with this, because I've read your stuff before, but I won't reveal it right now b/c I know you want to wait.

I like your answer about Jesus being God. I have a question for you on the Canaanites in the land of Israel. There were giants infested in that land. The Israelites obviously didn't kill all of the Canaanites. How do you explain that fact, that there were giants (nephilim) in the land of Canaan? I apologize if you already explained and I missed it in this thread. Are you saying these giants in that land were the offspring of the "sons of God" and human women and NOT nephilim? Thank you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1001438
United States
06/12/2010 09:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
The Adamu was not a result of Enki having sex with a Chimp looking creature.

It was a result of genetic engineering, and took a fairly long period of time to perfect.

Ninhursag was chief medical officer of the Annuaki. While she is credited with incubating Adamu, it is not specifically outlined as such. She simply stated that she had created it.

The first "humans" were born from birth "goddesses"(The seven who were overseen by Ninhursag) which came about through experimentation with prehistoric humanoids that Enki found in the Abzu(Eastern Africa).

The story of Adam and Eve was the story of Humans becoming sexually aware, and knowing the ability to procreate themselves. The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge was a part of this particular act.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983546


bump

Thanks for your post.
Goetia

User ID: 987273
United States
06/12/2010 09:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Misunderstandings about the Nephilim and "sons of God"...............................
Nephilim = Neanderthal.

[link to www.newscientist.com]

No need for god or culture. It's just the way it was.





GLP