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Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?

 
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Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Ron Paul's record on Energy and Oil:

[link to www.ontheissues.org]

Ron Paul has FAILED bigtime on this issue. Ron Paul mania has been sunk along with Deepwater Horizon.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
3500 oil rigs in the GOM alone, now Ron Paul is a bastard because 1 fails...ok
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You prove my point...all it takes is one failure to produce catastrophic carnage to the environment. Politicians like Ron Paul have encouraged the kind of cut-corners/ profit-before-safety culture that led to the Deepwater Horizon blowout.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
3500 oil rigs in the GOM alone, now Ron Paul is a bastard because 1 fails...ok
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 986970


no, he is not a bastard because one fails, he is a bastard because he continuously has voted FOR welfare for major oil companies and AGAINST subsidies for solar wind and other energy corporations

he is yet another politician bought sold and paid for by the oil companies

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You prove my point...all it takes is one failure to produce catastrophic carnage to the environment. Politicians like Ron Paul have encouraged the kind of cut-corners/ profit-before-safety culture that led to the Deepwater Horizon blowout.
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so you want no technology, no oil, no electricity? Or do you just want to pay more for it, without any cost saving measures?

Turn off your power using computer and go back to your cave
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Q: Bush’s energy bill provided billions of dollars in tax breaks & subsidies to the oil companies with the goal of boosting domestic production at a time of record profits. Do you support that?

A: I don’t think the profits is the issue. The profits are okay if they’re legitimately earned in a free market. What I object to are subsidies to big corporations when we subsidize them and give them R&D money. I don’t think that should be that way. They should take it out of the funds that they earn.

[link to www.ontheissues.org]


Where is the welfare?
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
3500 oil rigs in the GOM alone, now Ron Paul is a bastard because 1 fails...ok


no, he is not a bastard because one fails, he is a bastard because he continuously has voted FOR welfare for major oil companies and AGAINST subsidies for solar wind and other energy corporations

he is yet another politician bought sold and paid for by the oil companies

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As is obama, Ron Paul is still heads above obama!
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
i like him for some ideas.

but he sucks for others.

but you are never gonna get a represenative that you agree with completely..

i'll put him in charge of ending the fed.

i'll leave him alone on other issues.

otherwise than that..

you know i just don't give a fuck

politicians talka bout shit they know nothing about.

left and right included.

i have no hope for this system

or any other system

the people will rule themselves

but that will be anarchy too
and not in a good way.

cause the ratio is way off
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
yes... rockypaul
It Only Hurts If You Care...
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Actually we could easily power this planet with clean affordable alternatives, if only politicians had the will and backbone to stand up to the arm-twisting of the fossil fuel behemoths.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Q: Bush’s energy bill provided billions of dollars in tax breaks & subsidies to the oil companies with the goal of boosting domestic production at a time of record profits. Do you support that?

A: I don’t think the profits is the issue. The profits are okay if they’re legitimately earned in a free market. What I object to are subsidies to big corporations when we subsidize them and give them R&D money. I don’t think that should be that way. They should take it out of the funds that they earn.

[link to www.ontheissues.org]


Where is the welfare?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 986970


Scroll down the page...he voted against ending the subsidies for Big Oil. A politician's voting record speaks louder than his words.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
This happens when Obama's president and you blame Ron Paul? WTF?
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
If you think this is reason to hate Ron Paul you are a mother fucking moron..
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Ron Paul is actually worse on this issue than Obama. If Ron Paul was POTUS and had his way...the big oil companies doing exploration in the GOM would be entirely self-regulated without any oversight from Uncle Sam's EPA. The guy is a free-market libertarian... remember?
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
If you think this is reason to hate Ron Paul you are a mother fucking moron..
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i never said "hate". grow up pal and start speaking like an adult, not a pissy child.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Q: Bush’s energy bill provided billions of dollars in tax breaks & subsidies to the oil companies with the goal of boosting domestic production at a time of record profits. Do you support that?

A: I don’t think the profits is the issue. The profits are okay if they’re legitimately earned in a free market. What I object to are subsidies to big corporations when we subsidize them and give them R&D money. I don’t think that should be that way. They should take it out of the funds that they earn.

[link to www.ontheissues.org]


Where is the welfare?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 986970



Really, thanks so I didn't have to go look it up. ROn Paul HATES corp welfare from what I heart.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Q: Bush’s energy bill provided billions of dollars in tax breaks & subsidies to the oil companies with the goal of boosting domestic production at a time of record profits. Do you support that?

A: I don’t think the profits is the issue. The profits are okay if they’re legitimately earned in a free market. What I object to are subsidies to big corporations when we subsidize them and give them R&D money. I don’t think that should be that way. They should take it out of the funds that they earn.

[link to www.ontheissues.org]


Where is the welfare?


Scroll down the page...he voted against ending the subsidies for Big Oil. A politician's voting record speaks louder than his words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985232



Are those subsidies for R&D?
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
You prove my point...all it takes is one failure to produce catastrophic carnage to the environment. Politicians like Ron Paul have encouraged the kind of cut-corners/ profit-before-safety culture that led to the Deepwater Horizon blowout.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985232

You are also anti nuclear energy? I failed in Chernobyl, they are still cleaning up

I ask you this, why subsidize anything? We (the taxpayer/consumer) will pay, either through taxes or higher energy costs. It's obvious you are a clean energy advocate, fine and dandy, do the right thing and CONSERVE. That is the only real choice until a CHEAP, PLENTIFUL replacement for oil can be discovered.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Ron Paul's record on Energy and Oil:

[link to www.ontheissues.org]

Ron Paul has FAILED bigtime on this issue. Ron Paul mania has been sunk along with Deepwater Horizon.
 Quoting: Neverwas 985232



Yeah, I would vote for him.
Would also vote for David Manning or Alan Keys.
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You're just trying to divert attention away that the biggest supporters behind the 'cut corners' approach that led to this oil spill disaster are the FoxNews Neocons...

Typical.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
Q: Bush’s energy bill provided billions of dollars in tax breaks & subsidies to the oil companies with the goal of boosting domestic production at a time of record profits. Do you support that?

A: I don’t think the profits is the issue. The profits are okay if they’re legitimately earned in a free market. What I object to are subsidies to big corporations when we subsidize them and give them R&D money. I don’t think that should be that way. They should take it out of the funds that they earn.

[link to www.ontheissues.org]


Where is the welfare?


Scroll down the page...he voted against ending the subsidies for Big Oil. A politician's voting record speaks louder than his words.



Are those subsidies for R&D?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526155


why not...it's financial assistance that can be used for anything.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
You prove my point...all it takes is one failure to produce catastrophic carnage to the environment. Politicians like Ron Paul have encouraged the kind of cut-corners/ profit-before-safety culture that led to the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

You are also anti nuclear energy? I failed in Chernobyl, they are still cleaning up

I ask you this, why subsidize anything? We (the taxpayer/consumer) will pay, either through taxes or higher energy costs. It's obvious you are a clean energy advocate, fine and dandy, do the right thing and CONSERVE. That is the only real choice until a CHEAP, PLENTIFUL replacement for oil can be discovered.
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yeah...well i'm not perfect..to my credit i've lived without a car for 14 years, been close to vegan for 10 years, and have lived on small organic farms/ecovillages for 9 years. i'm basically living out of 2 suitcases right now.

but not to poo poo zero point and other "exotics". one of my close associates is the president of the organization in Northeast USA doing research on zero point. plus, my mother's mad ex-MIT graduate physicist boyfriend invented (or reinvented) a technology to run engines on water (HHO gas).
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i should say "personal car". i've been involved with lots of cooperative ride-sharing schemes over the years.
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You prove my point...all it takes is one failure to produce catastrophic carnage to the environment. Politicians like Ron Paul have encouraged the kind of cut-corners/ profit-before-safety culture that led to the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

You are also anti nuclear energy? I failed in Chernobyl, they are still cleaning up

I ask you this, why subsidize anything? We (the taxpayer/consumer) will pay, either through taxes or higher energy costs. It's obvious you are a clean energy advocate, fine and dandy, do the right thing and CONSERVE. That is the only real choice until a CHEAP, PLENTIFUL replacement for oil can be discovered.


yeah...well i'm not perfect..to my credit i've lived without a car for 14 years, been close to vegan for 10 years, and have lived on small organic farms/ecovillages for 9 years. i'm basically living out of 2 suitcases right now.

but not to poo poo zero point and other "exotics". one of my close associates is the president of the organization in Northeast USA doing research on zero point. plus, my mother's mad ex-MIT graduate physicist boyfriend invented (or reinvented) a technology to run engines on water (HHO gas).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985232

Sounds like you are in the top 1% of energy conservationists. So, why do you want to help pay for other folks'(energy)wasteful lifestyles? You know they will continue their wastful ways until it herts then financially
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
lol some of you are so pucked beyond repair.

if you find a fault with dr. paul, chances are you're making it up.

I suppose we all have our own perceptions though
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The opinions of those who support authoritarianism are not valid in the eyes of the freedom-loving individuals.

It is you that accepted our dependence on oil, instead of demanding the alternative energies we all know they have.

Completely unregulated markets are the only acceptable form of economics. That's not an opinion, because coercion is always immoral.
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You prove my point...all it takes is one failure to produce catastrophic carnage to the environment. Politicians like Ron Paul have encouraged the kind of cut-corners/ profit-before-safety culture that led to the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

You are also anti nuclear energy? I failed in Chernobyl, they are still cleaning up

I ask you this, why subsidize anything? We (the taxpayer/consumer) will pay, either through taxes or higher energy costs. It's obvious you are a clean energy advocate, fine and dandy, do the right thing and CONSERVE. That is the only real choice until a CHEAP, PLENTIFUL replacement for oil can be discovered.


yeah...well i'm not perfect..to my credit i've lived without a car for 14 years, been close to vegan for 10 years, and have lived on small organic farms/ecovillages for 9 years. i'm basically living out of 2 suitcases right now.

but not to poo poo zero point and other "exotics". one of my close associates is the president of the organization in Northeast USA doing research on zero point. plus, my mother's mad ex-MIT graduate physicist boyfriend invented (or reinvented) a technology to run engines on water (HHO gas).

Sounds like you are in the top 1% of energy conservationists. So, why do you want to help pay for other folks'(energy)wasteful lifestyles? You know they will continue their wastful ways until it herts then financially
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 986970


good point...actually while i believe in certain "exotic" forms of energy that could replace fossil fuel in a heartbeat with government sponsorship...i don't believe the consciousness level of most individuals on this planet is ready for the responsibility of appropriate usage.

nevertheless, we are being sold a lie about the irreplaceability of fossil fuels in order to keep us tethered to the tit of our energy masters...and telling of the lie is not because our energy masters want us to be better stewards of the environment.
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
The opinions of those who support authoritarianism are not valid in the eyes of the freedom-loving individuals.

It is you that accepted our dependence on oil, instead of demanding the alternative energies we all know they have.

Completely unregulated markets are the only acceptable form of economics. That's not an opinion, because coercion is always immoral.
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WOW...most people could talk all day and not say something this profound and sa true
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You prove my point...all it takes is one failure to produce catastrophic carnage to the environment. Politicians like Ron Paul have encouraged the kind of cut-corners/ profit-before-safety culture that led to the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

You are also anti nuclear energy? I failed in Chernobyl, they are still cleaning up

I ask you this, why subsidize anything? We (the taxpayer/consumer) will pay, either through taxes or higher energy costs. It's obvious you are a clean energy advocate, fine and dandy, do the right thing and CONSERVE. That is the only real choice until a CHEAP, PLENTIFUL replacement for oil can be discovered.


yeah...well i'm not perfect..to my credit i've lived without a car for 14 years, been close to vegan for 10 years, and have lived on small organic farms/ecovillages for 9 years. i'm basically living out of 2 suitcases right now.

but not to poo poo zero point and other "exotics". one of my close associates is the president of the organization in Northeast USA doing research on zero point. plus, my mother's mad ex-MIT graduate physicist boyfriend invented (or reinvented) a technology to run engines on water (HHO gas).

Sounds like you are in the top 1% of energy conservationists. So, why do you want to help pay for other folks'(energy)wasteful lifestyles? You know they will continue their wastful ways until it herts then financially


good point...actually while i believe in certain "exotic" forms of energy that could replace fossil fuel in a heartbeat with government sponsorship...i don't believe the consciousness level of most individuals on this planet is ready for the responsibility of appropriate usage.

nevertheless, we are being sold a lie about the irreplaceability of fossil fuels in order to keep us tethered to the tit of our energy masters...and telling of the lie is not because our energy masters want us to be better stewards of the environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985232

Again, why govt sponsorship? The govt has no business in 'private' enterprise. For the most part, this is what Ron Paul advocates. Get the govt out of the picture and the free market will produce 'energy machines' or whatever technology exists. People will buy a provable technology if it is marketed at a fair price, say 3-5 year payback compared to current energy costs
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Re: Still a fan of Ron Paul after the GOM calamity?
people and organizations motivated by greed are not to be trusted to manage themselves responsibly....their reckless short-sighted behavior can have a far-reaching impact beyond themselves.. regulatory agencies like the EPA are necessary in our greed-driven culture, assuming they are allowed to do their job.

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