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| Bazork! User ID: 929725 05/31/2010 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.foxnews.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983753"The Israelis, who had declared they would not let the ships reach Gaza, said they only opened fire after being attacked by activists with sticks, knives and live fire from weapons seized from the Israeli commandos. so, israeli commandos were so stupid as to let their firearms taken ? get real. and let me break it to you : [link to www.google.com] anything that i say except the things i give references for is what i learned and deduced. they may or may not be correct. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 983753 05/31/2010 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so, israeli commandos were so stupid as to let their firearms taken ? Quoting: Bazork!get real. Quoting: Bazork! Sorry, I don't understand how the link is relevant. |
| mavric User ID: 965004 05/31/2010 07:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They weren't innocent civilians they were terrorists. Quoting: Bazork!oooooh were they. were you there moron ? why is the captain of the greek ship is also among wounded, maybe dead then ? was he also an islamist muslim terrorist ? motherfucking morons. were you their as well, if not slfu "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." Frederic Bastiat |
| Bazork! User ID: 929725 05/31/2010 07:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so, israeli commandos were so stupid as to let their firearms taken ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983753get real.Looks like a couple of them did, perhaps after being knocked out by the peaceful, non-violent little darlings on the boat. pardon me, but if a COMMANDO gets knocked out by the peaceful, non violent radicals armed with 'sharp objects' and 'small firearms' in a boat, than that is no commando. and let me break it to you : Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983753[link to www.google.com] Sorry, I don't understand how the link is relevant. lets see. you invoke an electric device, an ultrasonic sound gives hell to anyone in area, and people twitch on the floor for the pain of their ears. you pick them up one by one. you throw gas that debilitates, people twitch on the floor sedated, you pick them up one by one. you use debilitating foam, people struggle, you pick them up one by one. you use taser, people twitch on the floor, you pick them up one by one. ironically, a noticeable portion of these technologies are provided by JEWISH owned corporations in usa. BUT, israel, the place where jew capital flows in, and the best weapons, was not able to realize they could use any of that. and instead, they used live ammo that was designed to be used in a WAR. with commandos that were trained to be used in a war. not an antiswat team even. ........................... noone can be that stupid. all the 'mishaps' and the 'unfortunate deaths' in this event were premeditated, by israel, with all its consequences. anything that i say except the things i give references for is what i learned and deduced. they may or may not be correct. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 946396 05/31/2010 07:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could be that in new Hyper Modern Commando Tactics - you have one dumb guy in the team you send him out first to flush out ambushes- and use his gun as a place gun like cops do to black teenager they shoot the evidence is clear- Commando Tactics of the New Millenium |
| Bazork! User ID: 929725 05/31/2010 07:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could be that in new Hyper Modern Commando Tactics - you have one dumb guy in the team Quoting: Anonymous Coward 946396you send him out first to flush out ambushes- and use his gun as a place gun like cops do to black teenager they shoot the evidence is clear- Commando Tactics of the New Millenium man. these are commandos that are trained and meant for war. they are not one of many, they are the elite divisions of israeli army. they are expected to defend israel in the forefront of any eventuality. there cant be such a 'dumb guy' among them. they cant afford it. anything that i say except the things i give references for is what i learned and deduced. they may or may not be correct. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 983753 05/31/2010 07:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | pardon me, but if a COMMANDO gets knocked out by the peaceful, non violent radicals armed with 'sharp objects' and 'small firearms' in a boat, than that is no commando. Quoting: Bazork!Also, you forgot to mention the sticks. I wonder why? The peaceful, non-violent humanitarians beat the Israelis with sticks as they rapelled onto the boat. you invoke an electric device, ... you throw gas that debilitates ... you use debilitating foam ... you use taser Quoting: Bazork!And then the Israel-haters screech and moan about it. |
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| Bazork! User ID: 929725 05/31/2010 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So where was the highly touted Turkish Air Force in all this? Quoting: G. Housewhere ? they were where they were. the article all of you fools have talked 20 pages over was an article in a random arab website. your fault for falling for the news there. anything that i say except the things i give references for is what i learned and deduced. they may or may not be correct. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 987179 05/31/2010 07:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Considering these were innocent civilians me thinks that Hamas or Hezbollah may be priming some rockets tonight for use soon. Quoting: The_TaureminiTit-for-tat is the only game that's been consistent on BOTH sides in the Middle East, Link [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Up to 19 people have been killed today after the Israeli navy intercepted ships carrying people and aid toward the Gaza Strip, according to reports maybe the stupid fucks should have heeded the warnings that had been given for weeks. hell we have been watching this BS build for weeks-no surprise here. More Islamic bullshit media campaign. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 340808 05/31/2010 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Major international Islamic charities such as IHH, while providing genuine humanitarian relief, also occasionally serve as fronts and liaison with Islamic militants and terror groups. [link to www.terrorism-info.org.il] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 340808 05/31/2010 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Portrait of IHH 1. Prominent among the coalition organizations participating in the aid flotilla scheduled to arrive in the Gaza Strip in the coming days is the Turkish IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi, IHH, “humanitarian relief fund”). It is a radical Islamic organization which was established in 1992 and formally registered in Istanbul in 1995. It is headed by Bülent Yildirim. 2. IHH has a broad program of important activities in distressed areas. They include sending food and support to orphans, establishing educational institutions, hospitals and clinics, programs for vocational education, supplying medicines, building mosques and preventing the violation of human rights in various Islamic locations throughout the world. In recent years it has begun widening its activities to European countries, in part by establishing branches which bear its name. 3. In practice, besides its legitimate humanitarian activities, IHH supports radical Islamic terrorist networks. In recent years it has prominently supported Hamas (through the Union of Good). In addition, the ITIC has reliable information that in the past IHH provided logistical support and funding to global jihad networks. IHH Links To Hamas 4. IHH’s orientation is radical-Islamic and anti-American, and it is close to the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas’ parent movement). IHH supports Hamas and does not hide the connection between them. Hamas also considers its links to IHH and Turkey to be extremely important, and regards Turkey as a target audience for its propaganda network (Palestine-Information, Hamas’ main website, has a Turkish version, and as of the end of 2009, the website of its military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, has also appeared in Turkish). 5. In recent years, especially since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, IHH has supported Hamas’ propaganda campaigns by organizing public support conferences in Turkey. At those conferences, which featured the participation of senior IHH figures, the heads of IHH expressed their support for Hamas and its strategy (including the armed struggle it favors), in defiance of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas’ rival. 6. IHH is a member of the Union of Good, an umbrella organization of more than 50 Islamic funds and foundations around the globe, which channels money into Hamas institutions in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. As a Union of Good member IHH has connections with other worldwide Islamic funds and foundations which support Hamas. Among other things, the support includes initiating and conducting joint projects whose objectives are to bolster the de facto Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip and Hamas’ civilian infrastructure in Judea and Samaria, which also supports terrorism (the infrastructure is under pressure from the Palestinian Authority security services). IHH, which has become an important factor in global fund-raising for Hamas, transfers significant amounts of money to Hamas institutions in Judea and Samaria, including the Islamic Charitable Society in Hebron and the Al-Tadhamun Charitable Society in Nablus (Hamas’ two central “charitable societies,” both outlawed by Israel). 7. IHH operates widely throughout the Gaza Strip. To promote its activities it opened a branch there, headed by Muhammad Kaya, who recently stated that IHH intended to send other aid flotillas to the Gaza Strip (See below). In January 2008 an IHH delegation met with Ahmed Bahar, a senior Hamas activist who is acting chairman of Hamas’ council in the Gaza Strip. At the meeting the delegation revealed the extent of the aid it had given Hamas in the Gaza Strip during the preceding year and said it intended to double the sum in the future. In January 2009 IHH head Bülent Yildirim met with Khaled Mashaal, chairman of Hamas’ political bureau in Damascus, and Mashaal thanked him for the support of his organization. Portrait of IHH 1. Prominent among the coalition organizations participating in the aid flotilla scheduled to arrive in the Gaza Strip in the coming days is the Turkish IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi, IHH, “humanitarian relief fund”). It is a radical Islamic organization which was established in 1992 and formally registered in Istanbul in 1995. It is headed by Bülent Yildirim. 2. IHH has a broad program of important activities in distressed areas. They include sending food and support to orphans, establishing educational institutions, hospitals and clinics, programs for vocational education, supplying medicines, building mosques and preventing the violation of human rights in various Islamic locations throughout the world. In recent years it has begun widening its activities to European countries, in part by establishing branches which bear its name. 3. In practice, besides its legitimate humanitarian activities, IHH supports radical Islamic terrorist networks. In recent years it has prominently supported Hamas (through the Union of Good). In addition, the ITIC has reliable information that in the past IHH provided logistical support and funding to global jihad networks. IHH Links To Hamas 4. IHH’s orientation is radical-Islamic and anti-American, and it is close to the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas’ parent movement). IHH supports Hamas and does not hide the connection between them. Hamas also considers its links to IHH and Turkey to be extremely important, and regards Turkey as a target audience for its propaganda network (Palestine-Information, Hamas’ main website, has a Turkish version, and as of the end of 2009, the website of its military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, has also appeared in Turkish). 5. In recent years, especially since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, IHH has supported Hamas’ propaganda campaigns by organizing public support conferences in Turkey. At those conferences, which featured the participation of senior IHH figures, the heads of IHH expressed their support for Hamas and its strategy (including the armed struggle it favors), in defiance of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas’ rival. 6. IHH is a member of the Union of Good, an umbrella organization of more than 50 Islamic funds and foundations around the globe, which channels money into Hamas institutions in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. As a Union of Good member IHH has connections with other worldwide Islamic funds and foundations which support Hamas. Among other things, the support includes initiating and conducting joint projects whose objectives are to bolster the de facto Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip and Hamas’ civilian infrastructure in Judea and Samaria, which also supports terrorism (the infrastructure is under pressure from the Palestinian Authority security services). IHH, which has become an important factor in global fund-raising for Hamas, transfers significant amounts of money to Hamas institutions in Judea and Samaria, including the Islamic Charitable Society in Hebron and the Al-Tadhamun Charitable Society in Nablus (Hamas’ two central “charitable societies,” both outlawed by Israel). 7. IHH operates widely throughout the Gaza Strip. To promote its activities it opened a branch there, headed by Muhammad Kaya, who recently stated that IHH intended to send other aid flotillas to the Gaza Strip (See below). In January 2008 an IHH delegation met with Ahmed Bahar, a senior Hamas activist who is acting chairman of Hamas’ council in the Gaza Strip. At the meeting the delegation revealed the extent of the aid it had given Hamas in the Gaza Strip during the preceding year and said it intended to double the sum in the future. In January 2009 IHH head Bülent Yildirim met with Khaled Mashaal, chairman of Hamas’ political bureau in Damascus, and Mashaal thanked him for the support of his organization. Israel Outlaws IHH and Expels an IHH Activist 9. Israel outlawed IHH because of its affiliation with the Union of Good and because it is an important factor in Hamas’ global fund raising. It was included in a decision made by Defense Minister Ehud Barak in 2008 which outlawed 36 associations which belonged to the Union of Good (IHH appeared as number 36 on the list4). 10. In November 2009 IHH sent one of its activists, a man named Izzat Shahin, to Judea and Samaria to open an office (in addition to its Gaza Strip office). Shahin started work supporting Hamas “charitable societies.” He transferred tens of thousands of American dollars from IHH to the Islamic Charitable Society in Hebron and Al-Tadhamun in Nablus, two of Hamas’ most important “charitable societies.” His activities were thwarted by the Israeli security forces. In April 2010 he was detained for questioning on suspicion of involvement in financing terrorism and supporting Hamas, and was deported from Israel immediately after his interrogation in compliance with an official Turkish request. IHH’s Links with the Global Jihad 11. The ITIC has reliable information indicating that in the past IHH had links with global jihad and Islamic terrorist elements in the Middle East. As part of its connections with the global jihad it supported jihadist terrorist networks in Bosnia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Chechnya. 12. That was manifested by logistic support for the transfer of weapons and money. This information verifies findings of a study conducted by a Danish research institute into IHH’s past links with Al-Qaeda (See below). 13. We do not have updated information about current IHH links with global jihad elements, however, its activities in the past may indicate its nature. Danish Research Institute Exposes Past IHH Links with Al-Qaeda 14. In 2006 a Danish research institute called the Danish Institute for International Studies conducted a study which reported that in the past IHH had connections with Al-Qaeda and global jihad operatives.5 The well-documented study was conducted by Evan Kohlman,6 an American researcher who specializes in Al-Qaeda and related subjects. It deals with the involvement of Islamic charity funds and foundations in supporting terrorism. Pages 10-14 relate to IHH. 15. According to the study, the Turkish authorities began investigating IHH at least in December 1997, after having received information that senior IHH figures had purchased automatic weapons from radical Islamic organizations. The office of the organization in Istanbul was consequently raided and activists were arrested. During the raid the Turkish security forces found weapons, explosives, instructions for making IEDs and a flag with a jihad message. An examination of the documents found in IHH office indicated that IHH members were planning to take part in jihad activities in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya. 16. The study quotes a French intelligence report stating that in the mid-1990s IHH leader, Bülent Yildirim, was directly involved in recruiting “veteran soldiers” to organize jihad activities. According to the French report, a number of operatives were sent by IHH into war zones in Islamic countries to gain combat experience. The report also stated that IHH transferred money, “caches of firearms, knives and pre-fabricated explosives” to Muslim fighters in those countries. 17. The study also states that an examination of IHH’s telephone records in 1996 showed repeated calls in 1996 to an Al-Qaeda guest house in Milan and to Algerian terrorists operating in Europe (one of whom was notorious Al-Qaeda figure Abu Ma’ali [Abd al-Qadr Mukhtari], who operated in Bosnia). IHH’s name was also mentioned during the trial of Ahmed Ressam held in the United States in 2000 (Ressam was a senior Al-Qaeda operative active in Canada, who at the end of 1999 entered the United States in a car carrying 600 kilograms (1320 pounds) of explosives. He planned to carry out a mass-casualty attack at the Los Angeles International Airport on the eve of the millennium.) The United States federal prosecutors called Jean-Louis Bruguière, a leading French investigating magistrate in charge of terrorism affairs, as an expert witness. He testified that IHH had played an important role in Al-Qaeda’s planned attack. According to Bruguière, IHH served as a cover for Al-Qaeda and acquired forged documents, enlisted operatives and transferred weapons 18. According to the study, following the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, Bülent Yildirim and IHH played a key role in anti-Western incitement among Turkish Muslims. At the end of 2000 IHH organized protests against the attempt to overthrow Saddam Hussein, during which Israeli and American flags were burned. In December 2004 IHH organized an anti-American march in Istanbul. During the march Bülent Yildirim told the Turkish Anatolia News Agency that the intelligence cooperation between the United States, Britain and Turkey had to stop, otherwise IHH would organize actions in front of every consulate, and if necessary organize 50,000 or 100,000 people in front of the American consulate. At a demonstration held in December 2004, anti-American slogans were shouted, including “Murderer sent by the murderous United States, get out of the Middle East,” and “Long live the resistance.” The Central Role of IHH in the Aid Flotilla Sailing to the Gaza Strip 19. IHH is prominent among the many pro-Palestinian organizations in Turkey participating in the aid flotilla, which will reach the Gaza Strip in the coming days. Its participation is part of the massive aid it gives Hamas and its desire to make propaganda capital for Hamas and itself. 20. To that end IHH purchased three ships (of the nine in the flotilla): a passenger ship named the Mavi Marmaris and two cargo ships (one named “Gaza”). The Mavi Marmaris left Istanbul on May 22 en route to Antalya, where 500 passengers were expected to board it. The three ships will sail from Turkey to Cyprus to join the others, and from there they will sail together to the Gaza Strip (where they are apparently expected to arrive on the morning of May 29). In addition, in recent months IHH aided the de facto Hamas administration’s ministries of transportation and of public works by carrying out various projects. 21. On April 7, 2010, IHH head Bülent Yildirim told a press conference in Istanbul that the flotilla would be a “test” for Israel. He said that should Israel oppose the flotilla it would be considered “a declaration of war” on the countries whose activists arrived on board the ships (IHH website, April 7, 2010). In a fiery speech given at the launching of the Mavi Marmaris on May 23, he said to Israel, “Handle this crisis well. If you prevent [the flotilla from reaching the Gaza Strip] you will remain isolated in the world and harm yourselves” (IHH website in Turkish, May 23, 2010). On May 21 Muhammad Kaya, head of IHH’s branch office in the Gaza Strip, said there was a plan to send flotillas to the Gaza Strip every month (Al-Jazeera-Info website, arabianawareness.com, May 21, 2010). |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 647237 05/31/2010 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Considering these were innocent civilians me thinks that Hamas or Hezbollah may be priming some rockets tonight for use soon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987101Tit-for-tat is the only game that's been consistent on BOTH sides in the Middle East, Link [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Up to 19 people have been killed today after the Israeli navy intercepted ships carrying people and aid toward the Gaza Strip, according to reports cold blooded murder. No its not. Thats the consequence of provoking a little giant.. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 271412 05/31/2010 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Poor Hammas supporters.. and they are such nice people too.. "HAMAS Legalizes the Crucifixion of Christians and other Enemies" [link to www.rightsidenews.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 987655 05/31/2010 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.foxnews.com] Quoting: Bazork!"The Israelis, who had declared they would not let the ships reach Gaza, said they only opened fire after being attacked by activists with sticks, knives and live fire from weapons seized from the Israeli commandos. so, israeli commandos were so stupid as to let their firearms taken ? get real. and let me break it to you : [link to www.google.com] Let me break this to you: Lethal weapons - knives and iron rods Add a dose of stupid wrt using such against firearms and guess what? Another Palestinian FAIL. |