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Usually i support Israel but this time they are in the wrong.

 
ethendil

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Their acting VERY American,I dont know why your all so upset?
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International waters, and you think they are going to shake your hand for boarding their ship?


....in a zone that they didnt suppose to enter....what did they expect either?


Read this.
And BTW, this is about legal issues, I am bringing and brought pieces of laws,you cannot refute them, but you could check by yourself if you want.
Is not a "....it seems to me that...." thing.


Lieberman: 'flotilla unacceptable attack on Israel's sovereignty'.

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05/31/2010 21:21


Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the boarding of the ships in international waters was legal under international law. He described the Gaza flotilla as an attempt to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

Speaking to Channel 10 news on Monday night the FM said: "Israel is a sovereign state and cannot accept the undermining of its sovereignty. Israel has stopped ships in international waters before and when ships refuse to accede to warnings and obey instructions, we have the right to board them under international law."


He went on to say that the passengers on board the ship "were not peace activists but terror supporters."

Lieberman praised the soldiers who he said "showed great restraint and bravery while under attack by hooligans, anarchists and terror supporters". He also expressed appreciation of pressures under which foreign ministry employees and IDF spokesperson who, he said, had been working relentlessly throughout the day.

Lieberman said that Israel had warned the Turkish government through "both formal and informal contacts. All our efforts were rejected. The aim of this ship was violence, they prepared an ambush and were equipped with arms, an officer was stabbed." He noted that Israel allows countries to send aid to Gaza through its territory, after checking that it has no military purpose and that many countries do so.

 Quoting: ~GAIA~


and like always from israel...

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Sling shots and marbles. A steel rod (which was probably a replacement part for the boat), a hammer.

These are the weapons being transported to Gaza?

Come on!
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Re: Usually i support Israel but this time they are in the wrong.
there will be no peace in the world,until we dont cancel israel nation out of world map.
only think they are capable, is killing people and infiltrations in most country leadership!
think is time for "final solution"


The eradication of Islam would be a great start.


Over half the world's problems would be gone if there were no cult of Islam.


You spend half of the thread arguing that Christians should not hate but should love etc... and now your advocating the eradication of my faith and people? wtf
 Quoting: ethendil



Of course. It's the way religion works.

LOL at all you yokels claiming the only path to God, mind controlled into carrying in your hearts exactly what the negative power uses to keep you chained.

Free yourselves. God is within us. There is no other way save truly becoming non judgemental and opening your hearts in love, letting go of the fear that religion uses to weaken your walk with the One.

A muslim woman washing her dishes, praying to the Father will be loved by Him as much as the Christian woman washing the dishes and praying to the Father, who will also be loved as much as the non religious woman doing the dishes and sending prayers to the One.

RELIGION IS USED AGAINST YOU TO PREVENT YOU FROM KNOWING CREATOR. If you claim religious rights to the only path then you walk in chains and will remain blinded to the glory that is His.
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Re: Usually i support Israel but this time they are in the wrong.
International waters, and you think they are going to shake your hand for boarding their ship?


....in a zone that they didnt suppose to enter....what did they expect either?


Read this.
And BTW, this is about legal issues, I am bringing and brought pieces of laws,you cannot refute them, but you could check by yourself if you want.
Is not a "....it seems to me that...." thing.


Lieberman: 'flotilla unacceptable attack on Israel's sovereignty'.

[link to www.jpost.com]

05/31/2010 21:21


Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the boarding of the ships in international waters was legal under international law. He described the Gaza flotilla as an attempt to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

Speaking to Channel 10 news on Monday night the FM said: "Israel is a sovereign state and cannot accept the undermining of its sovereignty. Israel has stopped ships in international waters before and when ships refuse to accede to warnings and obey instructions, we have the right to board them under international law."


He went on to say that the passengers on board the ship "were not peace activists but terror supporters."

Lieberman praised the soldiers who he said "showed great restraint and bravery while under attack by hooligans, anarchists and terror supporters". He also expressed appreciation of pressures under which foreign ministry employees and IDF spokesperson who, he said, had been working relentlessly throughout the day.

Lieberman said that Israel had warned the Turkish government through "both formal and informal contacts. All our efforts were rejected. The aim of this ship was violence, they prepared an ambush and were equipped with arms, an officer was stabbed." He noted that Israel allows countries to send aid to Gaza through its territory, after checking that it has no military purpose and that many countries do so.

 Quoting: ~GAIA~

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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein
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No real weapons, eh?


I dont know why I cant embed it here. It is in the Raw footage thread if anyone wants to watch it here.

Real weapons? The iron sticks look like they were taken from the ones that hold the tents outside.
 Quoting: Ostria

...and they want us to believe that the soldiers were using paint ball guns.
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Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the boarding of the ships in international waters was legal under international law. He described the Gaza flotilla as an attempt to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

Speaking to Channel 10 news on Monday night the FM said: "Israel is a sovereign state and cannot accept the undermining of its sovereignty. Israel has stopped ships in international waters before and when ships refuse to accede to warnings and obey instructions, we have the right to board them under international law."

He went on to say that the passengers on board the ship "were not peace activists but terror supporters."
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Lieberman cannot extend Israel's sovereignty to 65km+ into international waters just because he sees fit to do so.
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Sling shots and marbles. A steel rod (which was probably a replacement part for the boat), a hammer.

These are the weapons being transported to Gaza?

Come on!
 Quoting: CaptBill

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"Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi "

He did this ... and England pufffffffffffffff...
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Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the boarding of the ships in international waters was legal under international law. He described the Gaza flotilla as an attempt to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

Speaking to Channel 10 news on Monday night the FM said: "Israel is a sovereign state and cannot accept the undermining of its sovereignty. Israel has stopped ships in international waters before and when ships refuse to accede to warnings and obey instructions, we have the right to board them under international law."

He went on to say that the passengers on board the ship "were not peace activists but terror supporters."


Lieberman cannot extend Israel's sovereignty to 65km+ into international waters just because he sees fit to do so.
 Quoting: 89446



If there is any suspicion that the vessels are carrying weapons, yes, they can STOP THEM.

I understand Maritime Law allows interception/interdiction of vessels if there is suspicion that they may be committing a crime. Based on past experience (Remember the Karine A)Israel had a basis for suspecting that the boat may be carrying weapons or components that could be used to attack Israelis. But beyond this there is the statements and actions of the flotilla organizers and the IHH... And the illegitimacy of the Hamas terrorist government, which seized power by force. .....Thanks to Reuven...
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This is nothing new.
This is the same trick the pulled after 911 with boxcutters.
"Villainize" common utility items that ANYONE might posses so they can entrap you if they deem you a threat.

Posses a box cutter and you can be fingered as a terrorist.

Insane!
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Israel has activated the Sampson option. At least 1 Israeli nuclear armed submarine patrols the Eastern Seaboard of the United States at all times. Also, the Israeli consulate in NYC is the source of extremely high radiation readings. It is rumoured that the Israelis have placed a nuclear weapon there for contingency purposes.
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Sling shots and marbles. A steel rod (which was probably a replacement part for the boat), a hammer.

These are the weapons being transported to Gaza?

Come on!

+1
 Quoting: Coolhandluke74

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Sling shots and marbles. A steel rod (which was probably a replacement part for the boat), a hammer.

These are the weapons being transported to Gaza?

Come on!

+1

-1
 Quoting: ~GAIA~

yeah that because you live in israel, that also nothing new lol...
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"Israel is a sovereign state and cannot accept the undermining of its sovereignty.
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Ok so far. Every state has that right.

Israel has stopped ships in international waters before
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


That does not give you the right to do it.

and when ships refuse to accede to warnings and obey instructions, we have the right to board them under international law."
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


There is no such law.

"were not peace activists but terror supporters."
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Even if so, you still had no right to board the vessels.

Lieberman praised the soldiers who he said "showed great restraint and bravery while under attack by hooligans, anarchists and terror supporters".
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Irrelevant.

He also expressed appreciation of pressures under which foreign ministry employees and IDF spokesperson who, he said, had been working relentlessly throughout the day.
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Irrelevant.

Lieberman said that Israel had warned the Turkish government through "both formal and informal contacts. All our efforts were rejected.
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


So? who gave you the right to shoot at some other country?

The aim of this ship was violence, they prepared an ambush and were equipped with arms, an officer was stabbed." He noted that Israel allows countries to send aid to Gaza through its territory, after checking that it has no military purpose and that many countries do so.
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


So why didn't you wait for the ships to come in your waters? then you would have all the right in the world!
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The true living God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, he who neither sleeps nor slumbers will always watch over Israel. No matter what anyone thinks or says, remember GOD IS IN CONTROL!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 593565


I'm laughing even more (and shaking my head) at the total power the darkness has over the religious mind controlled bots who have put logic aside to be 'saved'.

It's such nonsense. Why would God forsake all others just to save a piece of land and a small group of people?? It's a silly myth folks, planned thousands of years in advance by the dark being to cause chaos throughout the ages.

The Alpha and Omega cares little for the barren land called Israel. He wants only for our attention, our focus on truth and clarity, our compassion for one another, each His child.

Religion is a cage.
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You don't go shooting at a unarmed vessel that is meant for relief and kill a bunch of people.

They could of blocked the ship with out loss of life and now they may of started a very big war because of it.


They were not unarmed and innocent...

FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat
Thread: FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat


International waters, and you think they are going to shake your hand for boarding their ship?
 Quoting: Coolhandluke74



Most contries recognize 200 mile limit as territorial waters...sooo...not true "International" waters...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Deu 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

Deu 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

 Quoting: 9teen.47™

"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Rom. 10:1-4.
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You don't go shooting at a unarmed vessel that is meant for relief and kill a bunch of people.

They could of blocked the ship with out loss of life and now they may of started a very big war because of it.


They were not unarmed and innocent...

FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat
Thread: FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat


International waters, and you think they are going to shake your hand for boarding their ship?



Most contries recognize 200 mile limit as territorial waters...sooo...not true "International" waters...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Gaia do you want a huge war?

Many of us don't and in my eyes what Israel did was wrong and it was senseless deaths over this.
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WOW, very sad! I hate evil! Children do not deserve this! This world will end soon! Because of this. I'm speechless....
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Any sovereign nation has a right to defend its borders, NO MATTER WHO IS THE ONE VIOLATING THAT SPACE.

Israel gave a warning and they acted on it when it was ignored.

I don't see that they did anything wrong.
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You fucking tit, this was in International waters. Shit!!! Fucking stupid people like you make me wanna kick my own fucking ass, wishing that it was yours.
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Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the boarding of the ships in international waters was legal under international law. He described the Gaza flotilla as an attempt to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

Speaking to Channel 10 news on Monday night the FM said: "Israel is a sovereign state and cannot accept the undermining of its sovereignty. Israel has stopped ships in international waters before and when ships refuse to accede to warnings and obey instructions, we have the right to board them under international law."

He went on to say that the passengers on board the ship "were not peace activists but terror supporters."


Lieberman cannot extend Israel's sovereignty to 65km+ into international waters just because he sees fit to do so.



If there is any suspicion that the vessels are carrying weapons, yes, they can STOP THEM.

I understand Maritime Law allows interception/interdiction of vessels if there is suspicion that they may be committing a crime. Based on past experience (Remember the Karine A)Israel had a basis for suspecting that the boat may be carrying weapons or components that could be used to attack Israelis. But beyond this there is the statements and actions of the flotilla organizers and the IHH... And the illegitimacy of the Hamas terrorist government, which seized power by force. .....Thanks to Reuven...
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


On teeny tiny problem here .... The ships were inspected BEFORE Leaving!
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let's not forget israel's white phosphorus attack on innocent UN school children, among other things... tigers never change their spots

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Exactly. The floatilla waved a white flag, had no guns (where are the soldiers who were shot? There are none) and were in intl waters. NuFF said about ISRAHELL.
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So why didn't you wait for the ships to come in your waters? then you would have all the right in the world!
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If they reached Israeli waters, what are the chances that Hamas do a rendevous with the flotilla?
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Gee, ya think so.
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You don't go shooting at a unarmed vessel that is meant for relief and kill a bunch of people.

They could of blocked the ship with out loss of life and now they may of started a very big war because of it.


They were not unarmed and innocent...

FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat
Thread: FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat


International waters, and you think they are going to shake your hand for boarding their ship?



Most contries recognize 200 mile limit as territorial waters...sooo...not true "International" waters...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



Gaia do you want a huge war?

Many of us don't and in my eyes what Israel did was wrong and it was senseless deaths over this.
 Quoting: Coolhandluke74




what the hell was wrong????

See how they lynch our soldiers!


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I know Luke. I'd like to know the real story here.

We'll probably never know the real story, but I believe Israel has a right to her own defense.


It was a relief boat bro, not a military vessel!!!

I know what it was supposed to be. Even if the relief had gotten through, I doubt Hamas would have given anything to the people who really needed it.
 Quoting: SubarcticBeef


I don't want to sound like I'm an advocate of Hamas because I"m NOT (call me crazy, but I just can't find it in me to condone blowing up buses packed with civillians) but, outside of their deplorable terrorist activities, Hamas actually takes VERY good care of their own people.

Just a small part of what makes the situation in the Middle East so complicated. And it's why Hamas enjoys the popular support that it does among its people.

Quite a mess over there...
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You don't go shooting at a unarmed vessel that is meant for relief and kill a bunch of people.

They could of blocked the ship with out loss of life and now they may of started a very big war because of it.


They were not unarmed and innocent...

FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat
Thread: FLOTTILLA CREW FIRED On SOLDIERS. IDF Soldier Shot, Critically Wounded on Flotilla Boat


International waters, and you think they are going to shake your hand for boarding their ship?



Most contries recognize 200 mile limit as territorial waters...sooo...not true "International" waters...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



Gaia do you want a huge war?

Many of us don't and in my eyes what Israel did was wrong and it was senseless deaths over this.




what the hell was wrong????

See how they lynch our soldiers!


 Quoting: ~GAIA~


It was a relief vessel Gaia, you don't kill people on a relief vessel and guess what almost the whole world agrees on this.

Turn on your Tv the world is pissed.

News








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