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Usually i support Israel but this time they are in the wrong.

 
the Questeon ?

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The boat wasn't unarmed and there is video evidence that they pre-planned an attack on boarding IDF commandos. They were given the option to have the stuff delivered overland. They refused. They were given the option of docking at another port. They refused. They were given the option of turning back. They refused. They were given the option of peaceable boarding, They refused. Instead, they attacked. Israel is not in the wrong here. If all the Pro-Palestinian group and the Turkish group cared abut was delivering the "aid" they could have been accommodated AT ANY POINT along the way. But that is not what they cared about. They wanted to provoke...THIS.

Thank you ...+1000

And Israel responded appropriately - regardless of any shill opinion.
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their plan was to ambush them with sticks and crowbars??

thats crazy... no ideaocy
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It was a relief vessel Gaia, you don't kill people on a relief vessel and guess what almost the whole world agrees on this.

Turn on your Tv the world is pissed.



Listen to me too!!!are u able to watch my side?


You are my friend and i support you on many things Gaia but this looks really bad, even you have to admit that.


Read some History Luke...remember Karina A....read it.
Israel has experience in past failures trying to stop terror.

THE WARN

Video: 'Flotilla of fools' ambushes Israeli soldiers

Here's a report from Israel's Channel 10 which combines Turkish television video with Israeli narration. In the video, you will see the 'unarmed peace activists' attacking IDF soldiers with knives, clubs and live fire. The 'peace activists' also attempted to steal IDF soldiers' weapons.

Let's go to the videotape.





Al-Jazeera is reporting that the ships changed course in order to fight the IDF in daylight so that they could get better television pictures.

The boats are being towed to Ashdod, where Israel will undoubtedly ship the cargo into Gaza after searching it for weapons and other contraband.


Israel Matzav
 Quoting: ~GAIA~



bsflag you cant warn anyone where you dont have any authority, and they had no authority in that place, less to board them in full commando gears, what you think those peoples on the ship where going to do, seeing the past actions of the israeli militia?? just watch has these armed to the theet soldiers boarded the sheep and maybe killed them on sight?

When you act as a pirate you ARE a pirate.

So much for them being armed and then having to resort of defending the boat with sticks... and a pistol they got probably from one of these soldiers, but the legendary israley army didnt think a second before to shot dead 20 and maiming another 50.

You case is undefendable.
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IMO, the only thing Israel did wrong was board the ship too soon.

The activists on that ship got exactly what they wanted, which was violent confrontation and some casualties to parade before the cameras.
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05/31/2010 03:43 PM
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It was a relief vessel Gaia, you don't kill people on a relief vessel and guess what almost the whole world agrees on this.

Turn on your Tv the world is pissed.



Listen to me too!!!are u able to watch my side?


You are my friend and i support you on many things Gaia but this looks really bad, even you have to admit that.


Read some History Luke...remember Karina A....read it.
Israel has experience in past failures trying to stop terror.

THE WARN

Video: 'Flotilla of fools' ambushes Israeli soldiers

Here's a report from Israel's Channel 10 which combines Turkish television video with Israeli narration. In the video, you will see the 'unarmed peace activists' attacking IDF soldiers with knives, clubs and live fire. The 'peace activists' also attempted to steal IDF soldiers' weapons.

Let's go to the videotape.





Al-Jazeera is reporting that the ships changed course in order to fight the IDF in daylight so that they could get better television pictures.

The boats are being towed to Ashdod, where Israel will undoubtedly ship the cargo into Gaza after searching it for weapons and other contraband.


Israel Matzav
 Quoting: ~GAIA~



It was the choice of premptive strike in internation waters with unnessary force which shows poor evaluations on the zionist part. Now the premptive srike is a verbage used against IRAN and zionist have just wasted their collateral on a non-event issue. They have done more damage to themselves and the longer this takes the more damage they do. Germany is having dificulty finding out about their citizens on board the boats. Exactly what was the purpose of this entire event.

It has degraded Israeli support, destroy Israel looks like one of the objectives accomplished. There is a difference between zionism and judism, one is a political movement and the other is a religion. One claims the other but in reality they are not the same. There are jews agains zionism and maybe it really is time for people to recognize it. Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9 are becoming more of a reality than anyone realizes. Pray for Israel, I do believe they are being placed in peril for a purpose.
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It was a relief vessel Gaia, you don't kill people on a relief vessel and guess what almost the whole world agrees on this.

Turn on your Tv the world is pissed.

You do when they viciously beat and stab you. Idiot.
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Even though that's Rupert Murdoch propaganda which didn't happen, I call it self defense as the Israelis were the aggressors who ATTACKED them on INTERNATIONAL WATERS.

I love how quickly the zionists like to make themselves look like the victims even when they're the aggressors. Pure bullshit!
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Okay, so could Israel have simply inspected the ships cargo then allow it to pass instead of insisting that they be the ones to get the cargo to the Palestinians?

That alone screams that they don't want the Palestinians to recieve aid.

Genocide, indeed.
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THIS FLOTILLA WAS JUST TO TRY AND BREAK THE 3 YEAR OLD BLOCKADE SO THAT THE FOLLOWING SHIPS COULD BRING IN THE ROCKETS AND GUNS THIS WAS ALL IT WAS DESIGNED FOR
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THIS FLOTILLA WAS JUST TO TRY AND BREAK THE 3 YEAR OLD BLOCKADE SO THAT THE FOLLOWING SHIPS COULD BRING IN THE ROCKETS AND GUNS THIS WAS ALL IT WAS DESIGNED FOR
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Whether that was real or not will never be known. It is beocming apparent that hotheads have no business in politics. The make bad choices, that lead to bad decisions and then things end up staying hidden until the next hothead does something stupid. In destroying Israel, teh zionist appear to be doing their part.
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IMO, the only thing Israel did wrong was board the ship too soon.

The activists on that ship got exactly what they wanted, which was violent confrontation and some casualties to parade before the cameras.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


Maybe so, but another botched Israeli operation is not a positive step by any means. This will have all sorts of residual effects.
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Most contries recognize 200 mile limit as territorial waters...sooo...not true "International" waters...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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read it again or see the map

200 miles exclusive economic zone
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IMO, the only thing Israel did wrong was board the ship too soon.

The activists on that ship got exactly what they wanted, which was violent confrontation and some casualties to parade before the cameras.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


Why does your statement sound like a rapist?
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The boat wasn't unarmed and there is video evidence that they pre-planned an attack on boarding IDF commandos. They were given the option to have the stuff delivered overland. They refused. They were given the option of docking at another port. They refused. They were given the option of turning back. They refused. They were given the option of peaceable boarding, They refused. Instead, they attacked. Israel is not in the wrong here. If all the Pro-Palestinian group and the Turkish group cared abut was delivering the "aid" they could have been accommodated AT ANY POINT along the way. But that is not what they cared about. They wanted to provoke...THIS.

Thank you ...+1000

And Israel responded appropriately - regardless of any shill opinion.


their plan was to ambush them with sticks and crowbars??

thats crazy... no ideaocy
 Quoting: the Questeon ?

there paln was to provoke an armed response... it worked.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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THIS FLOTILLA WAS JUST TO TRY AND BREAK THE 3 YEAR OLD BLOCKADE SO THAT THE FOLLOWING SHIPS COULD BRING IN THE ROCKETS AND GUNS THIS WAS ALL IT WAS DESIGNED FOR
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Okay, so can they not inspect all ships going to the Palestinians then allow the ships to pass? Can't there be some sort of dual inspection/delivery system where members from both sides inspect and see to it the supplies are delivered?

That seems to be better than a)total genocide and b)leaving your borders unprotected.
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05/31/2010 03:52 PM
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you're uneducated or very naive to support isreal ever.
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i agree Israel should have waited until they were completely in there waters could have made a big difference in world opinion and with the video footage
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IMO, the only thing Israel did wrong was board the ship too soon.

The activists on that ship got exactly what they wanted, which was violent confrontation and some casualties to parade before the cameras.


Maybe so, but another botched Israeli operation is not a positive step by any means. This will have all sorts of residual effects.
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I agree, it was a strategic blunder on many levels.
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you're uneducated or very naive to support isreal ever.
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you're uneducated or very naive to support isreal or islamists ever.
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05/31/2010 03:55 PM
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This story is still unfolding, the world has their eyes on it. The consequences of these decisions have yet to be determined. Alot of damage was done to the Israeli image and the future was just redirected last night.

Time will tell exactly how this will play out. Pray for Israel as they are not fighting society but also the guidance and determination of zionism.
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05/31/2010 03:56 PM
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How many rockets and AKs were found?
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Doesn't really matter. Without independent observers, we can presume all weapons "found " now to be planted.

Anyway who says Israel is the only country in the area to have what ever weapons that they choose.

It's OK for The zionist to have nukes yet they can tell any other country that they may not??

It's OK for the zionist to protect themselves yet the Palestinians may not defend themselves and their homeland??


WTF kind of logic is that?
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IMO, the only thing Israel did wrong was board the ship too soon.

The activists on that ship got exactly what they wanted, which was violent confrontation and some casualties to parade before the cameras.


Why does your statement sound like a rapist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987671

Because those activist casualties did not elicit the sympathetic response from me for which they, and apparently you, had hoped.

Sorry. Those were not victims. They were volunteers.
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05/31/2010 03:57 PM
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I have a plan. Let's trick all of the jews, christians and muslims into going to some bleak place like the sahara desert and then let's nuke them all. I can hear their fake god jehovah (actually Satan) crying like a baby: 'Oh no who can I kill now?'

IQ's would go up about 40 points in one day!
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you're uneducated or very naive to support isreal ever.
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Those Nations who bless Israel God will bless,those Nations that curse Israel God shall curse.I know what side i want to be on do you
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This story is still unfolding, the world has their eyes on it. The consequences of these decisions have yet to be determined. Alot of damage was done to the Israeli image and the future was just redirected last night.

Time will tell exactly how this will play out. Pray for Israel as they are not fighting society but also the guidance and determination of zionism.
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I believe that the nuclear weapons inspections have just opened for Israel. The consequences of this were life changing for all involved. All I can say is WOW.
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It is a damn shame the Israelis didn't just torpedo the assholes and left them face down in the sea feeding the fish.
I'm looking forward to watching the Israelis sink the Turk fleet, it will be hilarious.
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at last a thread to get my eyes off the oil DOOM.trading one DOOM for another lol
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Mexican pirates against American fishermen..FIGHT!NEVER SURRENDER!UNDESERVED!(fuck yea, you fight!)
Israelis against unarmed vessel..DONT FIGHT! Surrender! DESERVED! (huh?)

Insanity. Pure insanity.
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It was a relief vessel Gaia, you don't kill people on a relief vessel and guess what almost the whole world agrees on this.


You do when they viciously beat and stab you. Idiot.
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Israel invaded that boat, it is sovereign territory of another country in international waters.

What do you expect tea and crumpets??

If the relief ship was carrying weapons, why did they not use them?

That’s right though, the world is pissed.

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05/31/2010 04:08 PM
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The boat wasn't unarmed and there is video evidence that they pre-planned an attack on boarding IDF commandos. They were given the option to have the stuff delivered overland. They refused. They were given the option of docking at another port. They refused. They were given the option of turning back. They refused. They were given the option of peaceable boarding, They refused. Instead, they attacked. Israel is not in the wrong here. If all the Pro-Palestinian group and the Turkish group cared abut was delivering the "aid" they could have been accommodated AT ANY POINT along the way. But that is not what they cared about. They wanted to provoke...THIS.

Thank you ...+1000

And Israel responded appropriately - regardless of any shill opinion.


their plan was to ambush them with sticks and crowbars??

thats crazy... no ideaocy
 Quoting: the Questeon ?


Exactly. What you really are saying is that this was pretty much a suicide mission. I mean, what else do you call it when someone decides to take on Israeli commandoes...with sticks and crowbars? Are you claiming the commandoes were in danger?

There's justifiable use of force and then there's this. What I'm curious about right now, though, having read your post, is-

Why didn't they move the "stuff" over land?

Why did they not dock at another port?

Why did they not turn back?

Was there an option of a "peacable" boarding?

And even if they did "attack", did the Israelis have to respond with bullets?

I cannot believe that all of this was because someone wanted to "kick a little Israeli-ass" en route to delivering aid.

I'm speculating (I'll admit, at this stage don't know much about the big pitcure, but...) that the general answer for possibly all of those questions is quite possibly- Israeli harrassment.. If you're delivering aid to people who desperately need it, you probably don't want to take the route which is going to intercept you directly with Israelis carrying guns.

Obviously. Look what happened.

Again, I admit I'm speculating at the moment- but to say this was a deliberate suicide attack on Israeli commandoes is...mystifying.

And I strongly suspect that a little reading into this subject is going to reveal a history of belligerent Israeli interference with these peoples' efforts to do what they need to do. And I'm guessing this will explain why they didn't go over land, go to a different port, ect...

I can't imagine people who are in charge of delivering aid saying: Yeah, well, we have 3 or 4 way easier options which will get this shit to the people who need it way faster. BUT if we take this other route here, we can kick some tremendous Israeli-ass in the process. So...bricks, sticks, and metal bars, you know the drill- let's load 'em up, people!!!

I guess we'll just see how it pans out...
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come on people understand GAIA's side Israel got all the right to aboard a ship in international waters ,cos they can do what they want bsflag 5a
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LMAO
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That’s right though, the world is pissed.

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