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RAW FOOTAGE - Israeli Soldiers Killing Innocent People On The Flotilla

 
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I don't care how much of a spin anyone put on this, if Israel boarded that vessel in international waters, then they were wrong and should have been attacked and detained by what ever means necessary by ships personnel, period........
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This will cost US taxpayers at least $1bn
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I don't care how much of a spin anyone put on this, if Israel boarded that vessel in international waters, then they were wrong and should have been attacked and detained by what ever means necessary by ships personnel, period........
 Quoting: teamster


+1
true
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I suggested when they broke down en route that that they wait for daylight to proceed so that whatever was to happen could be filmed in daylight.
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Dont forget there were 37 Greeks on these ships too. They werent afraid either.
Last update we have about them is that 19 greeks from one ship did not sign for deportation and they will be inprisoned (or already got) while 3 did and they will get deported.

giasou ostria, apo myk

sorry i dont watch tv, where did u get this info?
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nomizw oti einai apo ton pano xarito sto Israil. Me tous allous den exoume epafi akoma

hf
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If we all turn a blind eye to this "they" will know its time to really put the hammer down. How will the world react?
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This will cost US taxpayers at least $1bn
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lol
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This will cost US taxpayers at least $1bn
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.....in psychological damages for the poor yid elite commando that was thrown overboard, and yes the docile yanks will cue up to pay the piper
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Damn I wish I was an Israeli Marine. There wouldn't be any of those scumbag peace activists alive.

Those "Peace Activists" should have minded their own business. Their intention was to support forces hostile to Israel so, if they want to play war they ought to know the consequences of getting themselves mixed up in other people's wars. I have no sympathy for them, they all ought to be floating face down in the sea.

If I was an Israeli Marine I would have gutted them with a K-Bar and saved on ammunition.
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Because you are a coward animal

I would kill you my self without the need of any gun mother fucker
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the whole world media is a giant propaganda machine to massage beliefs,[ Hint] - those with the most finances , have the bigger propaganda machine
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I don't care how much of a spin anyone put on this, if Israel boarded that vessel in international waters, then they were wrong and should have been attacked and detained by what ever means necessary by ships personnel, period........
 Quoting: teamster


True that +2

It's like somebody's walking on the side walk far from your house and you tell him to get out. If he doesn't you go out to the street from your house with a gun. If he retaliates, shot to kill.

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wow what channel is that??
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terrorists yes. innocent people no. I was hoping they would sink the ships because it's just another way of people trying to smuggle weapons into gaza.
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thats just the cover story IDF invented to cover Israels ass


THey planned this massacre well ahead of time
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They didnt kill inocent people. They killed goyim = sub humans. So in their eyes they nothing wrong. Just like they murdered goyim on the USS Liberty. Or the goyim ``sub humans`` they murdered on 911.
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"Wiccan Priestess" lmao


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Israel has gone to the dark side. They're just evil now.
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Israel's top soldiers have gone down in quality.

If these are their best, they might be a push over in a stand up fight.

They were confused, scared, and if those people on the boat were armed, they'd have been fucked.
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Cold Blooded Murder!
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Damn I wish I was an Israeli Marine. There wouldn't be any of those scumbag peace activists alive.

Those "Peace Activists" should have minded their own business. Their intention was to support forces hostile to Israel so, if they want to play war they ought to know the consequences of getting themselves mixed up in other people's wars. I have no sympathy for them, they all ought to be floating face down in the sea.

If I was an Israeli Marine I would have gutted them with a K-Bar and saved on ammunition.
 Quoting: Wiccan Priestess 984467

I wish you were an Israeli marine, as well.
Preferably one of the ones who just got killed.
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Dont forget there were 37 Greeks on these ships too. They werent afraid either.
Last update we have about them is that 19 greeks from one ship did not sign for deportation and they will be inprisoned (or already got) while 3 did and they will get deported.

giasou ostria, apo myk

sorry i dont watch tv, where did u get this info?



nomizw oti einai apo ton pano xarito sto Israil. Me tous allous den exoume epafi akoma

hf
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thnx
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Israel: A Tactical Breakdown of the Flotilla Attack
May 31, 2010 | 1951 GMT
Israel: A Tactical Breakdown of the Flotilla Attack
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Israeli watercraft approach the MV Mavi Marmara on May 31
Summary

“Visit, board, search and seizure operations,” as they are known in naval parlance, are particularly challenging operations. The circumstances under which Israel chose to seize the aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip on the night of May 30-31 presented a host of tactical complexities.
Analysis

The Israeli assault May 30 on the aid flotilla bound for the Gaza Strip began following radio communications initiated by Israeli naval forces around 11 p.m. Naval commandos of Israel’s Shayetet 13 special operations unit reportedly boarded and took control of six ships in the flotilla, which had been organized by a Turkish non-governmental organization. Though a final casualty count is not yet available and each side is presenting a very different story, between 10 and 20 people were killed in the assault, with dozens injured, including a number of Israeli commandos.

Boarding operations — known in naval parlance as “visit, board, search and seizure” (VBSS) — can be challenging even in the most permissive of circumstances. Actually closing the distance to the ship and getting on deck is an extremely vulnerable period of transition. Though the aid ships were unarmed, fire hoses could have been used to repel boarders from the smaller commando watercraft. Climbing up a rope ladder from one moving ship to another and up over the side can be similarly compromising. Helicopters are often used for insertion because they can approach much faster and the assault force can “fast-rope” (a technique involving a thick, braided rope and heavy gloves but no belay device or other equipment) down to the deck in a matter of seconds. Yet this leaves the helicopter extremely vulnerable, and it still takes precious seconds to transition from the descent to bringing a weapon to bear.

Because of these vulnerabilities, tactical considerations generally dictate boarding only when there are very few armed and hostile personnel above decks (“outside the skin” of the ship).

The Israelis undoubtedly had the ships assembled by the Free Gaza Movement and the Turkish Insani Yardim Vakfi aid group under close surveillance for quite some time. The ships carried some 700 pro-Palestinian activists and 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid and supplies and varied considerably in size from small vessels well under 100 meters in length to the Turkish-flagged MV Mavi Marmara, a sizable passenger vessel that was nevertheless overloaded with civilians, many of whom were sleeping above decks. This meant that there was little to no opportunity for a clean insertion.

The problem is not that the activists were armed with firearms (though there have been some Israeli claims about weapons and hostile gunfire), but that a VBSS team is not large, and the first individuals to fast-rope down are at a profound tactical disadvantage if numerically overwhelmed. They rely on surprise, aggression and swift, overwhelming force to subdue the crew and passengers.

But establishing that sort of dominance is far more difficult with enormous numbers of civilians above decks, especially in the initial moments of the assault when the first team members have to step aboard and most of the VBSS team is still transitioning to the deck. And there are claims of resistance by the activists aboard — involving everything from marbles strewn across the deck to the use of slingshots, poles, sticks and knives. Indeed, video purportedly from the assault appears to show at least one Israeli commando struggling to bring his weapon to bear after fast-roping to the deck, and an activist using that opportunity to close in and attack him.

There is every indication from video footage and from reported casualties on both sides that the commandos had difficulty establishing control over the ships. Given the basic tactical situation that the Israelis were aware of before initiating the assault, as well as Israel’s long experience with pro-Palestinian activists and Palestinians themselves, it is difficult to imagine that the Israelis did not foresee this playing out as it did. There are reports of riot control agents such as tear gas being employed, which would have been intended to help manage the situation, though how extensively they were used and how effectively they were employed is unknown at this time.

Ultimately, the decision to board was clearly made at the highest level and well ahead of time. Israeli options were limited — firing on the flotilla would likely have resulted in more casualties. But there are also ways to disable a ship by fouling its propellers that could also have been attempted. The Israelis engaged the flotilla some 120 kilometers (about 75 miles) from the Israeli coast, and the fast attack craft of the Israeli navy would have had the benefit of maneuverability, so there may have been other options. But the night of May 30 was also the last night before the flotilla would have reached Gaza, so if boarding was going to be done, this night was the last chance for it under the cover of darkness. The Israelis may also have hoped to seize wanted individuals or prevent evidence of weapons or other contraband from being destroyed or dumped overboard.

But while the Israelis successfully used military force to achieve an objective — the ships of the flotilla are being escorted to the Israeli port of Ashdod — the casualties and international perception of the attack may have far more profound and negative implications for Israel.
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So much for the Jewish navy-huh attacking a bunch of women on a boat.
Judging by the footage that I saw, it appears that the Jewish terrorists arent really trained in stick to uzi combat.
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I don't care how much of a spin anyone put on this, if Israel boarded that vessel in international waters, then they were wrong and should have been attacked and detained by what ever means necessary by ships personnel, period........
 Quoting: teamster



Thee's just no way around that unless you're brain dead.

Sadly Israel holds itself above international law just as the US does.

And to the poster who said we're all being played ... BINGO!
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Yeah, the Israeli shills are out in force today. Out to promote their shitty pro-Isreal propaganda.
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'Israel is a Lunatic State' - Finkelstein on Gaza Flotilla Attack

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It hardly seemed possible for Israel -- after its brutal devastation of Gaza and its ongoing blockade -- to engage in more heinous and repugnant crimes. But by attacking a flotilla in international waters carrying humanitarian aid, and slaughtering at least 10 people, Israel has managed to do exactly that. If Israel's goal were to provoke as much disgust and contempt for it as possible, it's hard to imagine how it could be doing a better job.

It is appropriate that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is scheduled to meet with President Obama on Tuesday in Washington, because -- as always -- it is only American protection of Israel that permits the Israelis to engage in conduct like this. Initial reports speculate that Netanyahu would cancel that meeting in order to return to Israel in light of this attack. But there would be something quite symbolically appropriate about having the U.S. stand at the side of Israel in the aftermath of this latest massacre, because it is only the massive amounts of U.S. financial and military aid, and endless diplomatic protection, that enables Israel to act with impunity as a rogue and inhumane state. So complete is the devotion of the U.S. Congress to the mission of serving and protecting Israel that it even overwhelmingly condemned the Goldstone report, which found that Israel and Hamas had both commited war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity during the Israeli attack on Gaza (the U.S. Congress, of course, never condemned the Israeli war crimes themselves -- only the Report which documented those crimes). Israeli actions are a direction reflection on, and by-product of, the U.S. Government, because it is the U.S. which enables and protects the behavior.

The one silver lining from these incidents is that the real face of Israel becomes increasingly revealed and undeniable. Not even the most intense propaganda systems can prettify a lethal military attack on ships carrying civilians and humanitarian aid to people living in some of the most wretched and tragic conditions anywhere in the world. It is crystal clear to anyone who looks what Israel has become, and the only question left is how will the rest of the world -- beginning with their American patrons -- will react.
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Israel is a scam. Israel is a failed state. Screw Israel. What will it take for the US to finally break ties? We have enough of our own problems. Why do we give them aid? THEY ARE A RICH COUNTRY!
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israel's best "commandos" can't handle a group of peace-nik liberals armed with some table legs as clubs?
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Israel: Bringing machine guns to knife fights since 1948.





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