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BREAKING: Cumbria (UK) Shooting: 12 dead up to 25 injured Confirmed: Suspect Dead

 
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oh isnt it against the law to have guns in the UK? hmmm...


Yes; which is pretty much why we get this kind of thing very rarely - unlike you morons in the states who think guns are more socially acceptable than tits!
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no moron here and my I don't care if my tits are socially acceptable, they are my tits and I'm wearing them
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I heard there is alot of knife crime there. Blunt weapons ouch. I would rather be shot somewhere than hit in the head with a bat.
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Yeah, knife crime can be pretty fucking brutal here at times.
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Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.


guy riding his bike one day to work bang crunch crushed by a truck, so sad.


the chances of being shot why cycling are vanishingly small compared to being ran over by a protitute murdering truck driver.

to those proposing a free for all for every nutter to get a gun shall we provide the entire population with unrestricted access to trucks too?


You don't already?



no we have a medical and specific driving test for HGV usage to ensure those using them in public can do so safely.

again it's not 100% but the alternative is to allow free access and watch the roads decend into unregulated carnage.

why do you not have a specific driving test for HGV's in OZ?


If they are anything like drivers down here (and I'm sure that they wouldn't be much different) it wouldn't take much to unhinge them to potentially use the vehicle as a weapon of mass destruction.

We must stop the terror.


Pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990079


the only pathetic thing is your bizarre strawman rant that bears no resemblance to a meaningfull argument what-so-ever.


trucks (and cars) are potentially lethal weapons as are cars that's why use of such is legally limited to those licensed ONLY after demonstrating the prerequisite skills to use them safely. This doesn't stop fatalities nor their use as a weapon but it does reduce the frequency of such.

would you argue that a tiny number of RTAs prove that "driving controls" are failing ERGO abolish the driving test and allow every moronic fucker to drive around without bothering to test their competence.

I some how doubt it, so what possible justification is there to make a similar and patently moronic argument for gun control abolition?
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Too bad no one else was armed. This event would have been stopped dead in its tracks.


How many shootings have actually been stopped by bystanders over the years? I'm not in favour of gun control, but it doesn't seem to happen too often.
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MANY!!! They're just never reported by the MSM.
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Too bad no one else was armed. This event would have been stopped dead in its tracks.


How many shootings have actually been stopped by bystanders over the years? I'm not in favour of gun control, but it doesn't seem to happen too often.


MANY!!! They're just never reported by the MSM.
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Do you have any proof though? If anything I'd have thought the MSM would want to report such things sometimes to say "This is why we need guns".

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So does anyone have some stats on gun crime - comparing countries?
I get the impression that in the US, curbs on guns are viewed as an infringement on freedom, whereas the average Brit sees gun control as something of a blessing.
No one I know is remotely interested in having a gun. But I'm thinking of getting one before 2012!
As for this incident, are we not seeing an increase in such events world wide? A psychologist on the radio just now was putting it down to a growing disenfranchisement with society.
 Quoting: pineapple

Well, I consider myself somewhat a pacifist, but I am going to get my gun owners card from the state of Illinois so I can get a gun to protect myself from the pit bulls and 'rotties' that people dump out here, on the farms...not worried about people, if they want to kill you, they will find a way.

As far as the psychologist goes, there is no way he can come up with a correct answer to why.... unless he was this fellows therapist...
From someone who has had years of therapy and observing my other fellow 'loonies'...this man was full of rage and self hatred, what delusions he labored under, we will never know..

All of us have a habit of looking on the surface, instead of looking, really looking, at the people.. and understanding there is a major problem brewing......
Most of our 'rage killers' neighbors, would say, he was quiet and seemed so nice!!!!...
This is going to happen more, keep you're eyes open
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Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.


guy riding his bike one day to work bang crunch crushed by a truck, so sad.


the chances of being shot why cycling are vanishingly small compared to being ran over by a protitute murdering truck driver.

to those proposing a free for all for every nutter to get a gun shall we provide the entire population with unrestricted access to trucks too?


You don't already?



no we have a medical and specific driving test for HGV usage to ensure those using them in public can do so safely.

again it's not 100% but the alternative is to allow free access and watch the roads decend into unregulated carnage.

why do you not have a specific driving test for HGV's in OZ?


If they are anything like drivers down here (and I'm sure that they wouldn't be much different) it wouldn't take much to unhinge them to potentially use the vehicle as a weapon of mass destruction.

We must stop the terror.


Pathetic.


the only pathetic thing is your bizarre strawman rant that bears no resemblance to a meaningfull argument what-so-ever.


trucks (and cars) are potentially lethal weapons as are cars that's why use of such is legally limited to those licensed ONLY after demonstrating the prerequisite skills to use them safely. This doesn't stop fatalities nor their use as a weapon but it does reduce the frequency of such.

would you argue that a tiny number of RTAs prove that "driving controls" are failing ERGO abolish the driving test and allow every moronic fucker to drive around without bothering to test their competence.

I some how doubt it, so what possible justification is there to make a similar and patently moronic argument for gun control abolition?
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I'm talking about psychological competence. Is that evaluated in a driving test? How many "nutters" or potential nutters do you think have licenses to drive a 500kg object at 200km/hr?

I'd wager a few. Why the obsession with gun control as though it is going to save everyone from the inevtiable nutter element in the community?
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criminals will get hold of guns, and kill, whether they're legal or not, and decent law abiding people will STILL be decent law abiding PROTECTED people.


yet in every country where gun control is laxer than the UK more people are killed per capita by criminals weilding guns than are in the UK.

ergo you justification flies in the face of actual real life experience.

the idea of relaxing gun laws so people can defend themselves is as moronic as justifying speeding as a way to avoid accidents because you are on the roads for less time.

facile, flawed and demonstrably wrongheaded.


don't give a fuck.

sick of all the control.

you live, you die.

try telling that fella who 'went for a walk' only to have his brains splattered all over the street how safe it is here right now. or that farmer, doing his job, only to be blasted away.

fuck you and your 'it's safe here' bullshit.

arm the people!
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clappa
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This is the village where he left his car. It's tiny.

[link to www.jrtpictures.co.uk]


is this a village? lol It looks like a country estate. Nice image by the way
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I dont understand why people do things like this--it doesn't compute to me............as best as I can figure out, people know when they do something like this that they will be shot by the police.......bobbies.........um, and since that is almost like running head on into a train, they are obviously depressed and want to commit suicide or figure they have nothing to lose by doing so.......SO WHY TAKE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH YOU? Sin, sin, sin.........selfish sin..........the need to take others down with you to make yourself feel better.......no different than a bully using bullying others to make himself/herself feel superior or at least better that he/she did something nasty and can now get a laugh out of it...........this is always horrible to read about.........
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This is the village where he left his car. It's tiny.

[link to www.jrtpictures.co.uk]


is this a village? lol It looks like a country estate. Nice image by the way

I dont understand why people do things like this--it doesn't compute to me............as best as I can figure out, people know when they do something like this that they will be shot by the police.......bobbies.........um, and since that is almost like running head on into a train, they are obviously depressed and want to commit suicide or figure they have nothing to lose by doing so.......SO WHY TAKE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH YOU? Sin, sin, sin.........selfish sin..........the need to take others down with you to make yourself feel better.......no different than a bully using bullying others to make himself/herself feel superior or at least better that he/she did something nasty and can now get a laugh out of it...........this is always horrible to read about.........
 Quoting: fillantpre 990151

His body was found near the beatrix potter's farm.I'll say programmed assassin.Connection between taxi drivers and secret service.
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im gonna laugh so hard if he's a muslim~


Derrick Bird, doesn't sound very Muslim to me.
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why would anyone laugh at this for any reason?
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If this Bird shooter was serious about killing as many people as possible he should have just got in a car and mounted a busy footpath.
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Just on BBC news channel, this is the latest link though:

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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He probably had high stakes in BP. The stock has plumetted
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Sky News just mentioned 11 dead, but then brushed over it pretty quickly...

neighbors described him as 'a nice guy'.
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strange how the neighbors ALWAYS say the perp is/was a nice guy..........
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Sky News just mentioned 11 dead, but then brushed over it pretty quickly...

neighbors described him as 'a nice guy'.



strange how the neighbors ALWAYS say the perp is/was a nice guy..........
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EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL AND WHY EVERYONE MUST BE MONITORED
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This can't be true. Everyone knows that the Brits, who are smarter than we Americans, have banned firearms.
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Sky News just mentioned 11 dead, but then brushed over it pretty quickly...

neighbors described him as 'a nice guy'.



strange how the neighbors ALWAYS say the perp is/was a nice guy..........
 Quoting: fillantpre 990151

yeah, i bet there's quite a few who thought he was a right c*nt, but they were ignored

makes you wonder why they do that, eh?
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]

[link to twitter.com]

Suspect dead according to this guy.

Unsubstantiated.


BBC confirm.

Wonder what his story will be?
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I never give them the satisfaction of reading their story or looking at their faces......why should I? That's part of why they did this......
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Sky News just mentioned 11 dead, but then brushed over it pretty quickly...

neighbors described him as 'a nice guy'.



strange how the neighbors ALWAYS say the perp is/was a nice guy..........



EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL AND WHY EVERYONE MUST BE MONITORED
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Too bad no one else was armed. This event would have been stopped dead in its tracks.


How many shootings have actually been stopped by bystanders over the years? I'm not in favour of gun control, but it doesn't seem to happen too often.


MANY!!! They're just never reported by the MSM.


Do you have any proof though? If anything I'd have thought the MSM would want to report such things sometimes to say "This is why we need guns".
 Quoting: lime flavoured


Here's just a few:

[link to www.wnd.com]

[link to www.wbir.com]

[link to freestudents.blogspot.com]

There are many many others, but they never become things of nation or international discussion.
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Well, I consider myself somewhat a pacifist, but I am going to get my gun owners card from the state of Illinois so I can get a gun to protect myself from the pit bulls and 'rotties' that people dump out here, on the farms...not worried about people, if they want to kill you, they will find a way.

 Quoting: babycakes


if you have an animal threat wolves bear or in this case dogs I find that a perfectly sensible thing to do. likewise if you are a hunter/sportsman and need a weapon to persue your craft.

What I cannot understand is the unfathomable claim that gun controls are counter productive because only crooks then have guns.

It's utter claptrap and demonstrates more about the ignornace of gun ownership and usage by those arguing for it in the UK than a rational argument for them. (I strongly suspect those in the UK arguing in favour have no idea what gun ownership would entail)

I use guns and have access to them because of my background profession and expat lifestyle. Only last week I was caibrating my skills with a turkish 9mmm sarsilmas kilinc 2000. Although I am myself an admirer of weaponry, I derive no sense of personal safety from having to maintain a weapon and dread the time I may have to take it out and use it for real.

make no bones about this I feel far safer in the UK without a weapon than I do anywhere else in the world that requires one.
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oh isnt it against the law to have guns in the UK? hmmm...
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Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

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oh isnt it against the law to have guns in the UK? hmmm...


Yes; which is pretty much why we get this kind of thing very rarely - unlike you morons in the states who think guns are more socially acceptable than tits!
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Agreed!
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This can't be true. Everyone knows that the Brits, who are smarter than we Americans, have banned firearms.
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except we brits haven't
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EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL AND WHY EVERYONE MUST BE MONITORED
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Is this why they are trying to come up with a mind reading machine?

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EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL AND WHY EVERYONE MUST BE MONITORED

Is this why they are trying to come up with a mind reading machine?

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I don't want my child dying at the hands of a thought criminal, thanks. When it comes to protecting the safety of our children, such pre-emptive actions are entirely justified, nay necessary.
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All I have to say is thank fuck guns are banned in this country, so we never see things like this.
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Certainly no one can dispute that it happens 90 percent less than it does here in the U.S. and I think that speaks for itself now doesn't it? And every life is important.
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What I cannot understand is the unfathomable claim that gun controls are counter productive because only crooks then have guns.

It's utter claptrap and demonstrates more about the ignornace of gun ownership and usage by those arguing for it in the UK than a rational argument for them. (I strongly suspect those in the UK arguing in favour have no idea what gun ownership would entail)

I use guns and have access to them because of my background profession and expat lifestyle. Only last week I was caibrating my skills with a turkish 9mmm sarsilmas kilinc 2000. Although I am myself an admirer of weaponry, I derive no sense of personal safety from having to maintain a weapon and dread the time I may have to take it out and use it for real.

make no bones about this I feel far safer in the UK without a weapon than I do anywhere else in the world that requires one.
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AC 736, I understand your logic, I grew up with guns in the house (Texas,of course!..) We were taught to have a good respect for them and what damage they could do... Only to protect my loved ones would I consider even pointing a gun at another human... and if I had to shot.. I think I would be crying the whole time... It isn't the guns.. It is the rage in people...can we 'control' that with legislation?
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Yes; which is pretty much why we get this kind of thing very rarely - unlike you morons in the states who think guns are more socially acceptable than tits!


Agreed!
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Great logic there!

Okay now, does anyone with a brain want to give a reasonable answer?
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criminals will get hold of guns, and kill, whether they're legal or not, and decent law abiding people will STILL be decent law abiding PROTECTED people.


yet in every country where gun control is laxer than the UK more people are killed per capita by criminals weilding guns than are in the UK.

ergo you justification flies in the face of actual real life experience.

the idea of relaxing gun laws so people can defend themselves is as moronic as justifying speeding as a way to avoid accidents because you are on the roads for less time.

facile, flawed and demonstrably wrongheaded.
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