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# The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.

ttown_okie (OP)

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06/02/2010 07:58 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Now if you take a magnet and move it back and forth across a coil of conducting material you will generate what is called Voltage. This voltage is north and south pole magnets which must find there way back to the opposite poles. When a path to ground is provided this is what happens,but you don't actually have one current, there are two in opposite directions consisting of north pole magnets and south pole magnets.

Can you explain then the Lenz Law? Or why only conductors can flow a current? The relation between electrical and magnetic fields? The second Maxwell Equation (div B = 0)?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990347

If the north and south magnets are forced in significant quantity within a tight space it will create heat or even light in a small enough wire due to the friction. The north and south magnets flow in opposite directions and twist around each other in a double helix. It also creates what is know as right hand twist and is what imparts spin.
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06/02/2010 07:59 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Amperes is an arbitrary deflection of a needle within a magnetic field... Again it is magnets.

No Amperes is by definition a basic natural measure, like time, mass and distance.

And how do you measure an ampere? Then tell me what is an ampere..
Quoting: ttown_okie

Basic natural measures are the measures you cannot define with other measures (you can't measure time with a ruler LOL). But you can measure time with other instruments. So what's time? Each natural measure has official definitions. 1 second is related to the time of disintegration of some kind of particle, don't remember exactly what it is. 1 Kg is the mass of some object which I think is on the British Royal Society (the so called kilogram padron)

The Ampere I don't know what it is. Maybe it's measured like you said. But it's a starting point unit with which other ones like the coulomb charge can be derived (in this case 1 C = 1 Ampère x 1 second).
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06/02/2010 08:00 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Just putting this out there...... Coral Castle.

"Edward Leedskalnin disputed contemporary science and believed all matter consisted of magnets which could produce measurable phenomena, and electricity. Ed would say he had rediscovered the laws of weight, measurement, and leverage" and that these concepts involved the relationship of the Earth to celestial alignments. He claimed to see beads of light which he believed to be the physical presence of nature's magnetism and life force, or what we term today, 'Chi'. Many people report that he used harmonics combined with grid energies and celestial alignments to do his work."
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06/02/2010 08:01 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Now if you take a magnet and move it back and forth across a coil of conducting material you will generate what is called Voltage. This voltage is north and south pole magnets which must find there way back to the opposite poles. When a path to ground is provided this is what happens,but you don't actually have one current, there are two in opposite directions consisting of north pole magnets and south pole magnets.

Can you explain then the Lenz Law? Or why only conductors can flow a current? The relation between electrical and magnetic fields? The second Maxwell Equation (div B = 0)?

If the north and south magnets are forced in significant quantity within a tight space it will create heat or even light in a small enough wire due to the friction. The north and south magnets flow in opposite directions and twist around each other in a double helix. It also creates what is know as right hand twist and is what imparts spin.
Quoting: ttown_okie

its call electromagnetic field asshole they create energy cos they make an electron flux !
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06/02/2010 08:02 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
i for one believe the op is almost correct, if not entirely.

this has been a long time belief that gravity is simply magnetivity.

OP can you help me understand something??

why does a magnet take longer to fall through a similar size tube to the magnet, made of aluminium than it does to fall through a plastc tube?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990435

You just debunked yourself.

LENZ LAW. Which is true because THERE ARE electrical fields, and, as a result, electrical charges.
ttown_okie (OP)

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06/02/2010 08:04 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Amperes is an arbitrary deflection of a needle within a magnetic field... Again it is magnets.

No Amperes is by definition a basic natural measure, like time, mass and distance.

And how do you measure an ampere? Then tell me what is an ampere..

Basic natural measures are the measures you cannot define with other measures (you can't measure time with a ruler LOL). But you can measure time with other instruments. So what's time? Each natural measure has official definitions. 1 second is related to the time of disintegration of some kind of particle, don't remember exactly what it is. 1 Kg is the mass of some object which I think is on the British Royal Society (the so called kilogram padron)

The Ampere I don't know what it is. Maybe it's measured like you said. But it's a starting point unit with which other ones like the coulomb charge can be derived (in this case 1 C = 1 Ampère x 1 second).
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990347

The ampere is a measure of the strength of a magnetic field measured by the deflection of a needle caused by the passing the magnets in a magnetic field. Interest that an ampere is then commonly used as the measure of electricity. This is because electricty is actually magnets, not electons.
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06/02/2010 08:04 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
i for one believe the op is almost correct, if not entirely.

this has been a long time belief that gravity is simply magnetivity.

OP can you help me understand something??

why does a magnet take longer to fall through a similar size tube to the magnet, made of aluminium than it does to fall through a plastc tube?

You just debunked yourself.

LENZ LAW. Which is true because THERE ARE electrical fields, and, as a result, electrical charges.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990347

i think you misunderstood, are you suggesting electrical charges cause a magnet to fall slower through an aluminuim tube than a plastic tube?
Red Auroras

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06/02/2010 08:04 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Someone answer my fucking question! What is a coulomb then!?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794588

The number 1x10 to the 18th power sticks in my feeble brain. The number of electrons that flow past a given point...help me out AC794588! I've had a nap or two since BE&E.
Anonymous Coward
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06/02/2010 08:05 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
there really is no such thing as "matter", so you are right on that part.
Quoting: caprichan

Correct...angular momentum.
Anonymous Coward
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06/02/2010 08:06 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
what about electron microscopes and their ability to move individual electrons?

how does this fit in?
ttown_okie (OP)

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06/02/2010 08:06 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Now if you take a magnet and move it back and forth across a coil of conducting material you will generate what is called Voltage. This voltage is north and south pole magnets which must find there way back to the opposite poles. When a path to ground is provided this is what happens,but you don't actually have one current, there are two in opposite directions consisting of north pole magnets and south pole magnets.

Can you explain then the Lenz Law? Or why only conductors can flow a current? The relation between electrical and magnetic fields? The second Maxwell Equation (div B = 0)?

If the north and south magnets are forced in significant quantity within a tight space it will create heat or even light in a small enough wire due to the friction. The north and south magnets flow in opposite directions and twist around each other in a double helix. It also creates what is know as right hand twist and is what imparts spin.

its call electromagnetic field asshole they create energy cos they make an electron flux !
Quoting: lostinspacex

Exactly my point. There are no electrons having to do with any atoms protons at any point involved in this. Sounds like you agree?
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06/02/2010 08:06 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Now if you take a magnet and move it back and forth across a coil of conducting material you will generate what is called Voltage. This voltage is north and south pole magnets which must find there way back to the opposite poles. When a path to ground is provided this is what happens,but you don't actually have one current, there are two in opposite directions consisting of north pole magnets and south pole magnets.

Can you explain then the Lenz Law? Or why only conductors can flow a current? The relation between electrical and magnetic fields? The second Maxwell Equation (div B = 0)?

If the north and south magnets are forced in significant quantity within a tight space it will create heat or even light in a small enough wire due to the friction. The north and south magnets flow in opposite directions and twist around each other in a double helix. It also creates what is know as right hand twist and is what imparts spin.
Quoting: ttown_okie

Friction? Due to what? Electrical charges, right? And what do you think is the cause of the magnetic field huh? There are no magnetic charges. The lines of the field are closed.

Double Helix what?
Red Auroras

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06/02/2010 08:07 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
The ampere is a measure of the strength of a magnetic field measured by the deflection of a needle caused by the passing the magnets in a magnetic field. Interest that an ampere is then commonly used as the measure of electricity. This is because electricty is actually magnets, not electons.
Quoting: ttown_okie

Electricity and magnetism are so closely related that my theory is that one cannot exist without the other. Even a straight piece of wire will produce an admittedldy weak magnetic force when a difference in potential is applied causing current to flow.
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06/02/2010 08:08 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
define:coulomb - a unit of electrical charge equal to the amount of charge transferred by a current of 1 ampere in 1 second
ttown_okie (OP)

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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
what about electron microscopes and their ability to move individual electrons?

how does this fit in?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990435

I am not familiar with this. As far as I know, nobody has ever seen an electron, let alone, move an individual electron.
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06/02/2010 08:09 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Electrostatic field encapsulated by angular momentum caused by a lexodrome twisted, pulsing toroidal. The movement of the lexodrome field creates a magnetic reaction with the electrostatic field. This is all in the shape of a sphere, pulsing in one direction...towards the future.
ttown_okie (OP)

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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Now if you take a magnet and move it back and forth across a coil of conducting material you will generate what is called Voltage. This voltage is north and south pole magnets which must find there way back to the opposite poles. When a path to ground is provided this is what happens,but you don't actually have one current, there are two in opposite directions consisting of north pole magnets and south pole magnets.

Can you explain then the Lenz Law? Or why only conductors can flow a current? The relation between electrical and magnetic fields? The second Maxwell Equation (div B = 0)?

If the north and south magnets are forced in significant quantity within a tight space it will create heat or even light in a small enough wire due to the friction. The north and south magnets flow in opposite directions and twist around each other in a double helix. It also creates what is know as right hand twist and is what imparts spin.

Friction? Due to what? Electrical charges, right? And what do you think is the cause of the magnetic field huh? There are no magnetic charges. The lines of the field are closed.

Double Helix what?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990347

The friction is caused by the individual magnets rubbing against each other in sufficient quantity. The lines of the field are in the conductor.
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06/02/2010 08:10 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Electrostatic field encapsulated by angular momentum caused by a lexodrome twisted, pulsing toroidal. The movement of the lexodrome field creates a magnetic reaction with the electrostatic field. This is all in the shape of a sphere, pulsing in one direction...towards the future.
Quoting: Sickscent

That, is the all of everything...
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06/02/2010 08:11 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Electrostatic field encapsulated by angular momentum caused by a lexodrome twisted, pulsing toroidal. The movement of the lexodrome field creates a magnetic reaction with the electrostatic field. This is all in the shape of a sphere, pulsing in one direction...towards the future.

That, is the all of everything...
Quoting: Sickscent

When you join the spheres together, they form shapes...The Platonic Solids...

You can see this in Vibrations...Resonance...Frequency.

Want to see it?
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06/02/2010 08:11 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
what about electron microscopes and their ability to move individual electrons?

how does this fit in?

I am not familiar with this. As far as I know, nobody has ever seen an electron, let alone, move an individual electron.
Quoting: ttown_okie

appologies IBM wrote their name with atoms not electrons

but they used an electron microscope.

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06/02/2010 08:12 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Electrostatic field encapsulated by angular momentum caused by a lexodrome twisted, pulsing toroidal. The movement of the lexodrome field creates a magnetic reaction with the electrostatic field. This is all in the shape of a sphere, pulsing in one direction...towards the future.

That, is the all of everything...

When you join the spheres together, they form shapes...The Platonic Solids...

You can see this in Vibrations...Resonance...Frequency.

Want to see it?
Quoting: Sickscent

Thread: Vibration Creates Form ^^^^^ Different Frequency = Different Form
Anonymous Coward
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06/02/2010 08:14 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Amperes is an arbitrary deflection of a needle within a magnetic field... Again it is magnets.

No Amperes is by definition a basic natural measure, like time, mass and distance.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990347

So how do you measure time? The same way you measure amperes. Arbitrarily.
Soul Search

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06/02/2010 08:16 PM
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ttown_okie (OP)

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06/02/2010 08:16 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Electrostatic field encapsulated by angular momentum caused by a lexodrome twisted, pulsing toroidal. The movement of the lexodrome field creates a magnetic reaction with the electrostatic field. This is all in the shape of a sphere, pulsing in one direction...towards the future.

That, is the all of everything...

When you join the spheres together, they form shapes...The Platonic Solids...

You can see this in Vibrations...Resonance...Frequency.

Want to see it?
Quoting: Sickscent

If you take a magnetic field and rotate it around an object in sufficient speeds, you can cause that object to behave in the wavelength of your choosing. Gravity is no longer the predominate force at these wavelengths this is the basis for what some call ufos. But back to this thread.
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Electrostatic field encapsulated by angular momentum caused by a lexodrome twisted, pulsing toroidal. The movement of the lexodrome field creates a magnetic reaction with the electrostatic field. This is all in the shape of a sphere, pulsing in one direction...towards the future.
Quoting: Sickscent

Actually out FROM the future and infinite expanse with the direction of time current toward the past and the infinitely kinetic, infinitesimal singularity
Anonymous Coward
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06/02/2010 08:17 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
i for one believe the op is almost correct, if not entirely.

this has been a long time belief that gravity is simply magnetivity.

OP can you help me understand something??

why does a magnet take longer to fall through a similar size tube to the magnet, made of aluminium than it does to fall through a plastc tube?

You just debunked yourself.

LENZ LAW. Which is true because THERE ARE electrical fields, and, as a result, electrical charges.

i think you misunderstood, are you suggesting electrical charges cause a magnet to fall slower through an aluminuim tube than a plastic tube?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990435

No I'm not suggesting, I'm saying it.

The aluminuim is a conductor. When the magnet falls down the tube, on the reference frame of the tube it flows a variable magnetic field, both in space and time.

Variable magnetic fields generate, according to the third Maxwell Equation, an electric field. This field generates electric currents in the alluminum, because it's a conductor.

This currents generate a magnetic field, according to Maxwell's 4th law. But, due to the law of conservation of energy, or LENZ LAW, this magnetic field goes against the field of the magnet, because otherwise the energy of the system increases, and will go to the infinite.

Contrary fields = Contrary forces. In the aluminum tube the magnet will have an opposition force that will increse till the magnet reaches a constant velocity. That's why it takes longer to reach the bottom.

lostinspacex

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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
there is something i studied in university mmmm what was his name .. electromagnetism!!!! you cant have magnetos without the electronsss!!

Last Edited by lostinspacex on 06/02/2010 08:18 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Without electrons, you can not have an operational silicon junction. Without the silicon junction...

Well you figure it out.
Reble without a Clue
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06/02/2010 08:19 PM
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
I'm curious about the Speed of Light? What light is being referenced? Visible to humans or some other light? Or is it all just vibrations of an infinite spectrum? Sorry off on a Tangent now, Why does a balloon rubbed on your hair on a dry day get charged with "static electricity" then act like a Magnet and cling to the ceiling? Kids just love it though!
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