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The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.

 
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Sorry OP you fail. Electrons do exist. As do protons, neutrons. Go back to 5th grade.

The Bohr model is extremely flawed, and any serious phycisist will admit this. It is helpful in a lab setting and it is a decent "working model" under certain circumstances, but it is in no way conclusive.

It would probably surprise you that quite a few scientists believe there only exists a single electron?
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I'll ask you then. What is a coulomb?
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I believe a coulomb is about 6.23x10-1th power electrons in charge.. I haven't been in college in about 10 years though. AS an electronics engineer. Electrons are real and are negatively charged. That's how current works and flows negative to positive. This threat is ridiculous.
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I believe a coulomb is about 6.23x10-1th power electrons in charge.. I haven't been in college in about 10 years though. AS an electronics engineer. Electrons are real and are negatively charged. That's how current works and flows negative to positive. This threat is ridiculous.
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Except that according to modern physics, they technically don't exist as such

But for the sake of technical calculations and such, the math works, so not many are concerned with the.. hmm.. dark side.. of the quantum mechanics theories.

As they say in physics when such things come up: "Shut up and calculate!"
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
The electrons do not exist thread.
 Quoting: ttown_okie


Didn't you know? Generally speaking, according to the current mainstream theories, there is no such thing as an "electron" or even an "atom".

Until you look.. and then there is one.

Huh?

Magnets indeed.. reality is far more stranger than you apparently can imagine heh
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I don't understand what you mean here..But just to clarify something. I'm not opposed to there being an "Electron" and I'm not partial to it, I am open to all scientific proofs. Let it be known though, "Electrons" have not been proven to exist in any way, shape, or form.

With that said, "Electrons" cannot even pass through glass, so please explain how it can be a building block in life? Even light can pass through glass, so if "Electrons" cannot pass through glass, how can they be the building blocks of light? Light is energy, it is energy expressed in a wave form or frequency we see as light. So if "Electrons" are what build up energy, and light IS energy, how can light be, without an electron in it? Well the "Electron" isn't there, that's my conclusion.5a
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I thought photons make light?
 Quoting: Anon&on&on


The theory is that they are made of photons. Yet just because it is made of photons doesn't mean it is not energy. Everything is energy, plain and simple. If what makes up Energy is what mainstream science believes is "Electrons" then why is it that Light can pass through glass, but "Electrons" cannot. I'm stating that "Electrons" do not make up energy period, whether that energy is in concentrated forms like electricity, or in radiated wavelengths like "Light".
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Sorry OP you fail. Electrons do exist. As do protons, neutrons. Go back to 5th grade.
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You are being fooled by imaginary things called electrons, invented by Thomson to describe something that is not understood very well to a 5th grader. And is the reason after 100 years, science is more confused today and wasting billions of dollars searching for other things that do not exist like gravity particles.
 Quoting: ttown_okie


you are most likely right!!!
well, actually, you are right, because Ed for sure was in the know.
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Why not just call those tiny magnets electrons?
I'm gonna be studying physics so I'm actually quite intrigued by this thread
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I believe OP was right in his theory that everything is magnetism, more specifically everything is a MAGNET composed of MANY MAGNETS. We can say that this is expressed in the culmination of what makes matter, well matter. We ourselves are human beings, that is the culmination of many things, that ultimately make us one large organism made of many, many parts. I would even dare say that we are the macro consciousness made up of many micro consciousnesses.

How can we be bounded together if not for magnetism? If everything is not magnets how are we not just a primordial ooze so to speak. Well because opposites attract! Ever heard of that saying...Our earth itself is one HUGE magnet, we know that we have what we think is an Iron Core of molten magma in the middle of our planet, this is what we attribute to our huge magnetic fields around us. So is gravity a separate particle? Or is it just the attraction of our magnetism to the Earth's magnetism.

Gravity has nothing to do with mass, it has to do with magnetism. [link to www.ru.nl] That's the "High Field Magnet Laboratory". They made a 10 Tesla magnet and "Levitated" a Frog with it. How can they overcome gravity, if gravity is mass oriented and not magnetically oriented? Well the Earth's magnetism is actually not that strong, hence why they could pry the frog from the Earth's gravity, or magnetism I should say, with a stronger magnet.

Their experiment also proved that magnetism is in everything, even in organic entities.

I kind of forgot what I was getting at, but I know it had something to do with everything is composed of magnetism....I'll figure it out once I eat this mushroom..I'm sure of it....yoda
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Sooooooo,

If I put a thermoelectric fan anode into hot water and its cathode into cold water and the fan starts to spin it's caused by magnetic forces??

Brilliant!
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I remember watching a video a while back, saying how gravity was a weak force and magnetism was a strong force, that the amount of pull gravity puts on something is nothing compared to the amount of pull magnetism does, when using the same amount of said forces
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Trying to find said video, I found videos that contradict what I said, so disregard it
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Sooooooo,

If I put a thermoelectric fan anode into hot water and its cathode into cold water and the fan starts to spin it's caused by magnetic forces??

Brilliant!
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You are forgetting what Energy is.....Energy is made of motion, motion is the attraction and or repelling of a certain thing, that thing is what we call magnetism or magnets. So when a fan on anything is moving, yes it is caused by magnetic forces, those magnetic forces create a strong enough motion that energy is produced and thus the fan begins to whirl about.
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Sooooooo,

If I put a thermoelectric fan anode into hot water and its cathode into cold water and the fan starts to spin it's caused by magnetic forces??

Brilliant!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428094


You are forgetting what Energy is.....Energy is made of motion, motion is the attraction and or repelling of a certain thing, that thing is what we call magnetism or magnets. So when a fan on anything is moving, yes it is caused by magnetic forces, those magnetic forces create a strong enough motion that energy is produced and thus the fan begins to whirl about.
 Quoting: xXcanesRites


Sounds good!
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Trying to find said video, I found videos that contradict what I said, so disregard it
 Quoting: Anon&on&on


Science is turning into religion. They are trying to defend ideas that cannot be explained, they are doing the very same thing that they criticize bible thumpers for doing. The day anyone should start believing in "Electrons" is the day they can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it in fact exists.

Otherwise what is the purpose? Is science not based upon facts and not faith? "Electrons" need to be thrown back into the "Theory" category and let's move onto other things that we haven't figure out yet. If we keep spending time on something we cannot explain at the present time, next thing we know it is 2000 years later, and we are all paying tithing and are cast out as heretics when we "Blaspheme" against the "Electron" gods.
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Using this logic, if I place a magnet near my girlfriends ass...using the proper polarity of course... it would get bigger ?
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Trying to find said video, I found videos that contradict what I said, so disregard it
 Quoting: Anon&on&on


Science is turning into religion. They are trying to defend ideas that cannot be explained, they are doing the very same thing that they criticize bible thumpers for doing. The day anyone should start believing in "Electrons" is the day they can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it in fact exists.

Otherwise what is the purpose? Is science not based upon facts and not faith? "Electrons" need to be thrown back into the "Theory" category and let's move onto other things that we haven't figure out yet. If we keep spending time on something we cannot explain at the present time, next thing we know it is 2000 years later, and we are all paying tithing and are cast out as heretics when we "Blaspheme" against the "Electron" gods.
 Quoting: xXcanesRites


We don't need another "Church" in this world...The ones that we have won't stop bombing each other....
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Using this logic, if I place a magnet near my girlfriends ass...using the proper polarity of course... it would get bigger ?
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Sure man, I don't see why not. Get a strong enough motion with magnets to create some electricity, then you can zap her tiny ass and inflame it to give it the appearance of having a bigger mass?

Or you can just get natural magnetic energies, that we call "Food" and just make her consume it, so it will "Stick" to her tissues and that will work in increasing her mass down there as well.
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
In magnets one end is the north and one end is the south. With magnets we can change the poles or take the poles out so it will not be a magnet anymore, because of this, we know that the metal is not the real magnet, the magnet is the substance which is circulating in the metal. Each particle in the substance is an individual magnet by itself.

In a permanent magnet, these individual magnets are circulating in the metal in great numbers. The north pole magnets are coming out of the end of the south pole, the south pole magnets coming out of the north pole, and then they running around to the other pole and back in to its’ own end over and over again.
 Quoting: ttown_okie
so there is kinda changing fields of the magnet-as in alternative current in a pot
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Sorry OP you fail. Electrons do exist. As do protons, neutrons. Go back to 5th grade.
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You are being fooled by imaginary things called electrons, invented by Thomson to describe something that is not understood very well to a 5th grader. And is the reason after 100 years, science is more confused today and wasting billions of dollars searching for other things that do not exist like gravity particles.
 Quoting: ttown_okie


you are most likely right!!!
well, actually, you are right, because Ed for sure was in the know.
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Ed Leedksalnin wasn't the master genius of the world. He was a Stone Mason that read up on magnetism. From things he can observe himself, he made connections pertaining to physics that he concluded from his observations. Something science is forgetting.
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
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the reson the quarks are marked as group of 3s in neutrons and protons

where then the photosynthesis will fitt well in that waterly fields dept
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so then the magnets are the trees like
the waterly deep in separation ,or, better yet......the day the night and the dawn
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Fuckin' magnets...how do they work?


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My thoughts exactly.
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like a tim
it all end in a theme
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
In magnets one end is the north and one end is the south. With magnets we can change the poles or take the poles out so it will not be a magnet anymore, because of this, we know that the metal is not the real magnet, the magnet is the substance which is circulating in the metal. Each particle in the substance is an individual magnet by itself.

In a permanent magnet, these individual magnets are circulating in the metal in great numbers. The north pole magnets are coming out of the end of the south pole, the south pole magnets coming out of the north pole, and then they running around to the other pole and back in to its’ own end over and over again.

The Earth itself is a giant permanent magnet. This is the reason we can make a compass by taking a small piece of metal, imparting magnets into it so that it will always point north. Since the needle is a freely rotating magnet it is guided by the stream of individual magnets circulating from the earth’s poles.

The north and south pole magnets are cosmic forces. They hold together this earth, the solar system, and our interaction with the Milky Way galaxy, and the Milky Ways interaction with its’ greater cosmic force.

This is the reason the moon does not come crashing down to Earth. The Moon and Earth have like poles on the same sides so they keep themselves apart. And this is the reason only one side of the moon will ever face earth, for if the moon were rotated so that it’s north end would be in the south side, it would crash into Earth.

based from reading Edward Leedskalnin's "Magnetic Current" 1945.
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Close but no cigar
The moon is moving away from earth
Try doing your own experiments
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
If electrons don't exist... then neither do atoms, because electrons are needed to help stabilize or offset the positive charges of protons in the nucleus.

And if atoms don't exist then, well, matter does not exist. Therefore we do not exist.
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
If electrons don't exist... then neither do atoms, because electrons are needed to help stabilize or offset the positive charges of protons in the nucleus.

And if atoms don't exist then, well, matter does not exist. Therefore we do not exist.
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Ha ha, you cannot prove that electrons are needed for anything. Yet I can prove that a positive and negative or north and south pole is needed for attraction and repelling. Whatever is surrounding an atom, you can rest assured it has a magnetic polarity, just as everything in life has a magnetic polarity. Magnetic polarities sort themselves out, that is what they do.
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
If electrons don't exist... then neither do atoms, because electrons are needed to help stabilize or offset the positive charges of protons in the nucleus.

And if atoms don't exist then, well, matter does not exist. Therefore we do not exist.
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You have to remember that Science is
S everal
C oncepts
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E xistence
N aturally
C onfirmed by
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If you cannot do this, you do not have factual Science, it is faith based science.
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so what you're saying is that my $400 Fluke 87V multimeter doesn't know what it's doing? if electrons don't exist, what have I been pushing through conductors and semiconductors all these years? you mean I wasted all that time earning an electrical engineering degree for nothing? if electrons don't exist then how is it we have electricity? how is the OP able to make asinine threads if there's no electricity? one more question, does the OP have a degree in electrical science? anyway, I gotta go push around some more non-existent electrons.

go theveninize yourself and get faradayed! loop analysis is not necessary as we already know the OP is loopy.
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Fuckin' magnets...how do they work?


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My thoughts exactly.
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When we find out what makes up magnetism or magnets, we'll figure out what makes up this entire universe(s). The journey of enlightenment will never be abandoned.
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so what you're saying is that my $400 Fluke 87V multimeter doesn't know what it's doing? if electrons don't exist, what have I been pushing through conductors and semiconductors all these years? you mean I wasted all that time earning an electrical engineering degree for nothing? if electrons don't exist then how is it we have electricity? how is the OP able to make asinine threads if there's no electricity? one more question, does the OP have a degree in electrical science? anyway, I gotta go push around some more non-existent electrons.

go theveninize yourself and get faradayed! loop analysis is not necessary as we already know the OP is loopy.
 Quoting: electrical? engineer 1428165


You're assuming that "Electrons" are even in electricity. I never said "Electricity" didn't exist. Electricity is something we all can produce and can prove. Electrons are something else altogether.

And yes your electrical engineering degree is rather worthless. In fact most degrees are rather worthless, but that's a whole other story in itself ^^
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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
so what you're saying is that my $400 Fluke 87V multimeter doesn't know what it's doing? if electrons don't exist, what have I been pushing through conductors and semiconductors all these years? you mean I wasted all that time earning an electrical engineering degree for nothing? if electrons don't exist then how is it we have electricity? how is the OP able to make asinine threads if there's no electricity? one more question, does the OP have a degree in electrical science? anyway, I gotta go push around some more non-existent electrons.

go theveninize yourself and get faradayed! loop analysis is not necessary as we already know the OP is loopy.
 Quoting: electrical? engineer 1428165


I can produce experiments that prove "Electricity" exists. Your Electrical Engineering Degree that you've earned is so worthless, they didn't even teach you how to prove to yourself, let alone others, that "Electrons" are what make up "Electricity".

;Had to put in my universal symbol of enlightenment;

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Re: The electrons do not exist thread. It is magnets.
Using this logic, if I place a magnet near my girlfriends ass...using the proper polarity of course... it would get bigger ?
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Sure man, I don't see why not. Get a strong enough motion with magnets to create some electricity, then you can zap her tiny ass and inflame it to give it the appearance of having a bigger mass?

Or you can just get natural magnetic energies, that we call "Food" and just make her consume it, so it will "Stick" to her tissues and that will work in increasing her mass down there as well.
 Quoting: xXcanesRites


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