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ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<

 
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Riser pipe diameter = 24"OD - 21"ID

The flow speed will be assumed at max speed for a storm drain, 5 meters per second. It could be higher but we will remain at a known feasible speed for the sake of argument. There is more then enough pressure to push 5 meters per second.

Cylinder Area of...
Length of 5 meters = 196.85 inches
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 272,834.1 cubic inches

The volume of the 5 meter long pipe is the flow per second since 5 meters will flow per second.

RESULTS

Per Second
272,834 cubic Inches per Second
1,181 US Gallons per Second
28.12 Barrels per Second

Per Hour
4,251,600 US Gallons per Hour
101,232 Barrels per Hour

Per 24 Hours
102,038,400 US Gallons per Day
2,429,568 Barrels per Day


EVEN IF THE FLOW WAS 1 METER per SECOND = 486,000 Bbl/day
 Quoting: ºCRAPº


I believe your math is incorrect...
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 272,834.1 cubic inches

The area of a 21" pipe would be
10.5 X 10.5 X 3.14 = 346.185
346.185" X 196.85" = 68,146.51 cubic inches
2+2=5fromtheHills

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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
People, the OP is assuming maximum flow - which, using common sense, is probably accurate.

Excellent thread OP.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
People, the OP is assuming maximum flow - which, using common sense, is probably accurate.

Excellent thread OP.

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Hahahhahhahahha.



Hahhhahhahhajhhjajhajhhaa.

Oh, god I need to pee.
 Quoting: 2+2=5fromtheHills


The pipe is open now, dipshit.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Am I wrong or this could be easily calculated using Bernoulli's equation?


P1 + ph1g + 1/2pv1^2 = P2 + ph2g + 1/2pv2^2





Quite frankly, you encounter your error when the square root of ph2g becomes quantified through simple physics.
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What? The equation is correct. It's a principle of conservation of energy.

P(pressure) + phg + 1/2pv^2 is a constant
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Oh btw, BP may use oil eating bacteria.

[link to www.smartertechnology.com]

The bacteria will oxidize the hydrocarbons and expel CO2. CO2 is another gas we DO NOT need more of.

The massive release of CO2 in micro sized bubbles under the surface will feed Algae blooms.

Bio Bacteria Eats Oil > CO2
CO2 feeds Algae Blooms > Deadly Toxins
Deadly Toxins > Massive Global Ocean Death
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
People, the OP is assuming maximum flow - which, using common sense, is probably accurate.

Excellent thread OP.

Hahahahhaaaa.


Hahahhahhahahha.



Hahhhahhahhajhhjajhajhhaa.

Oh, god I need to pee.


The pipe is open now, dipshit.
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Whew, and thank god, it is. Bathroom time would have been unacceptable if it weren't.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
The pipe is open now, dipshit.

Whew, and thank god, it is. Bathroom time would have been unacceptable if it weren't.
 Quoting: 2+2=5fromtheHills


The flow is unimpeded. Correct the math where wrong, wonderbrains.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
I believe your math is incorrect...
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 272,834.1 cubic inches

The area of a 21" pipe would be
10.5 X 10.5 X 3.14 = 346.185
346.185" X 196.85" = 68,146.51 cubic inches

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991247

EDIT: btw, we need volume, not area!
Oh yeah, do it yourself here.

[link to www.online-calculators.co.uk]

Put in 21 inches diameter and 196.85 inches as height. Be sure to change the units to inches.

The results are accurate. Your math is flawed~!
BRIEF AND TO THE POINT

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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
so what the plan d'jour?
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Well, (punny) since they won't stop the oil geyser I guess we will have to find a way to get the saltwater out of our oilcean...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
The pipe is open now, dipshit.

Whew, and thank god, it is. Bathroom time would have been unacceptable if it weren't.


The flow is unimpeded. Correct the math where wrong, wonderbrains.
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You are correct, my flow is unimpeded.

And, thank you for caring.

My math is correct, feel free to point out the errors.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Remember that the guaranteed limiting pipe diameter is 7" ID.

This is the well bore ID of the deepest segment of the well.

Of course I don't know the length of this segment, but it is 7" ID.

It ID goes up from there until it is ~22" ID at the surface.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Remember that the guaranteed limiting pipe diameter is 7" ID.

This is the well bore ID of the deepest segment of the well.

Of course I don't know the length of this segment, but it is 7" ID.

It ID goes up from there until it is ~22" ID at the surface.
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Hmmm.

Yes, this thread needs more pipes.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Remember that the guaranteed limiting pipe diameter is 7" ID.

This is the well bore ID of the deepest segment of the well.

Of course I don't know the length of this segment, but it is 7" ID.

It ID goes up from there until it is ~22" ID at the surface.
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Then we divide the results by 3 for the accurate measurement with a 7" restriction. Thanks for pointing that out.

166,600 - 833,300 bbl/day with a 7" restriction.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
I believe your math is incorrect...
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 272,834.1 cubic inches

The area of a 21" pipe would be
10.5 X 10.5 X 3.14 = 346.185
346.185" X 196.85" = 68,146.51 cubic inches


EDIT: btw, we need volume, not area!
Oh yeah, do it yourself here.

[link to www.online-calculators.co.uk]

Put in 21 inches diameter and 196.85 inches as height. Be sure to change the units to inches.

The results are accurate. Your math is flawed~!
 Quoting: ºCRAPº


THE RADIUS OF A 21" PIPE IS NOT 21"... IT IS 10.5.
YOUR CALCULATION IS SKEWED!!!
2+2=5fromtheHills

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Brb, making a Bernoulli and pipe diameter sandwich.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
I believe your math is incorrect...
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 272,834.1 cubic inches

The area of a 21" pipe would be
10.5 X 10.5 X 3.14 = 346.185
346.185" X 196.85" = 68,146.51 cubic inches

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991247

You are calculating for area and give the answer in cubic terms. Big no no!

You are calculating the surface area which is inches squared.

We need volume which is cubic inches.

Sorry dude but you are the one who is wrong, ok!
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
this is what i've been trying to tell the "this isn't that big of a spill"tards.

WAKE UP MORANS.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
I believe your math is incorrect...
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 272,834.1 cubic inches

The area of a 21" pipe would be
10.5 X 10.5 X 3.14 = 346.185
346.185" X 196.85" = 68,146.51 cubic inches


EDIT: btw, we need volume, not area!
Oh yeah, do it yourself here.

[link to www.online-calculators.co.uk]

Put in 21 inches diameter and 196.85 inches as height. Be sure to change the units to inches.

The results are accurate. Your math is flawed~!


THE RADIUS OF A 21" PIPE IS NOT 21"... IT IS 10.5.
YOUR CALCULATION IS SKEWED!!!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991247

Oh damn, you are right.
2+2=5fromtheHills

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Go Maths Go!
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Am I wrong or this could be easily calculated using Bernoulli's equation?


P1 + ph1g + 1/2pv1^2 = P2 + ph2g + 1/2pv2^2





Quite frankly, you encounter your error when the square root of ph2g becomes quantified through simple physics.



What? The equation is correct. It's a principle of conservation of energy.

P(pressure) + phg + 1/2pv^2 is a constant
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991210


You ARE correct.

I was joking, hence the "Bazinga"
"The underlying truth, after all is said and done, is constant. The truth does not change, we change." Brandon Smith
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
We are seriously phukd
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
In this thread everyone is correct. The only thing wrong is math itself.

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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
I do NOT mean to debunk, or downplay this thread in any way, however has anyone taken into consideration the Viscosity of Crude Oil vs that of water from the storm drain?

In any case, its a shit load of oil comming out now. Great. just GREAT.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
I do NOT mean to debunk, or downplay this thread in any way, however has anyone taken into consideration the Viscosity of Crude Oil vs that of water from the storm drain?

In any case, its a shit load of oil comming out now. Great. just GREAT.
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You can say that again, Taz.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
EDIT: DIAMETER WAS USED WHERE RADIUS WAS NEEDED. TITLE IS NOW ACCURATE.

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Riser pipe diameter = 24"OD - 21"ID

The flow speed will be assumed at max speed for a storm drain, 5 meters per second. It could be higher but we will remain at a known feasible speed for the sake of argument. There is more then enough pressure to push 5 meters per second.

Cylinder Area of...
Length of 5 meters = 196.85 inches
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 272,834.1 cubic inches

The volume of the 5 meter long pipe is the flow per second since 5 meters will flow per second.

RESULTS

Per Second
272,834 cubic Inches per Second
1,181 US Gallons per Second
28.12 Barrels per Second

Per Hour
4,251,600 US Gallons per Hour
101,232 Barrels per Hour

Per 24 Hours
102,038,400 US Gallons per Day
2,429,568 Barrels per Day


EVEN IF THE FLOW WAS 1 METER per SECOND = 486,000 Bbl/day
 Quoting: ºCRAPº


You forgot to deduct the volume the remaining drill pipe volume takes up.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Is it possible that some of the valves in the BOP partially closed as well.. restricting the flow and skewing these numbers. We also don't know the state of the drill in there as it appeared to have folded over onto itself in the cutoff section of the riser. I don't think the calculations are quite so simple.. what about the possibility of the well breach hundreds of feet down. See, all those would reduce the flow rate and potentially cut these numbers in two again.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
Silence is Golden!
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I'm curious why you don't post your calculation? People obviously want to know, and you're apparently very good with math, so please let us know what you've come up with.
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Re: ALERT - Oil Flow could easily be 120k - 600k Barrels a Day >>CORRECTED<<
EDIT: The figures have been altered due to an oversight in calculation. I had used the diameter where radius was required. This means the previous figures are wrong. I recalculated based on radius now. The figures below are corrected.
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Riser pipe diameter = 24"OD - 21"ID

The flow speed will be assumed at max speed for a storm drain, 5 meters per second. It could be higher but we will remain at a known feasible speed for the sake of argument. There is more then enough pressure to push 5 meters per second.

Cylinder Area of...
Length of 5 meters = 196.85 inches
21" Diameter x 196.85" Height = 67,913 cubic inches

The volume of the 5 meter long pipe is the flow per second since 5 meters will flow per second.

RESULTS

Per Second
7 Barrels per Second

Per Hour
25,196 Barrels per Hour

Per 24 Hours
604,719 Barrels per Day


EVEN IF THE FLOW WAS 1 METER per SECOND = 121,000 Bbl/day
 Quoting: ºCRAPº

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