Hamas, Israel, and the Gaza flotilla: seven forgotten (or conveniently ignored) facts you need to know

Fact 4: In an effort to stop the missiles from being manufactured and used against it, and only for that reason, Israel has been forced to try to keep the materials used for that purpose out of the Gaza Strip. This is an obvious step needed to prevent the kind of war that caused so much destruction in 2008, when the increase in attacks by Hamas and its allies against Israeli civilians eventually triggered an Israeli response to stop them. There can be no real doubt that Israel is entitled to keep weapons of war from being used against it.


Is that the entire defense to Israel barring items from entering into Gaza?

Great thread GOG!

Fact 4: In an effort to stop the missiles from being manufactured and used against it, and only for that reason, Israel has been forced to try to keep the materials used for that purpose out of the Gaza Strip. This is an obvious step needed to prevent the kind of war that caused so much destruction in 2008, when the increase in attacks by Hamas and its allies against Israeli civilians eventually triggered an Israeli response to stop them. There can be no real doubt that Israel is entitled to keep weapons of war from being used against it.


Is that the entire defense to Israel barring items from entering into Gaza?


Israel bars items that could be used to manufacture weapons to be used by Hamas and Islamic Jihad against it. If you don't like the blockade, talk to Hamas about dropping their insane STATED goal to destroy Israel and turn it into a killing field..

Israel bars items that could be used to manufacture weapons to be used by Hamas and Islamic Jihad against it. If you don't like the blockade, talk to Hamas about dropping their insane STATED goal to destroy Israel and turn it into a killing field..

Fact 4: In an effort to stop the missiles from being manufactured and used against it, and only for that reason, Israel has been forced to try to keep the materials used for that purpose out of the Gaza Strip. This is an obvious step needed to prevent the kind of war that caused so much destruction in 2008, when the increase in attacks by Hamas and its allies against Israeli civilians eventually triggered an Israeli response to stop them. There can be no real doubt that Israel is entitled to keep weapons of war from being used against it.


Is that the entire defense to Israel barring items from entering into Gaza?


Israel bars items that could be used to manufacture weapons to be used by Hamas and Islamic Jihad against it. If you don't like the blockade, talk to Hamas about dropping their insane STATED goal to destroy Israel and turn it into a killing field..

Better put a Link to that STATED goal of Hamas Son, or you are a liar.

Hamas was created by Mossad. If you're going to have an enemy, best to be in charge of it.

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Let me react on the facts here.

Fact 1. Hamas was democratically chosen, u know, by election.


Well then, it was pretty stupid of Gazans to elect an organization that was planning to lob endless rockets over the Israeli border, and then use them as human shields..

Wasn't it?


The flotillatards were used as cannon fodder by Hamas also - useful idiots...

Twist the truth all you want, you fucking commie rat bastard.

Plastic and Nitrous Oxide make one of the best rocket propellants known.

Fact 3: When faced with an armed enemy committed to its destruction, which has done its very best to make war against Israeli civilians, Israel has two choices: to try to protect its civilians from those attacks, or to simply shrug its shoulders and hope that the attacks stop. There is, quite simply, no nation on earth that would choose the latter course, and no reasonable and fair-minded person who would expect it to.

If you think Israel is running Hamas, you're an even bigger jackass than I thought..

Hamas was created by Mossad. If you're going to have an enemy, best to be in charge of it.

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If you think Israel is running Hamas, you're an even bigger jackass than I thought..

Once, they have shown a video of a father seemingly trying to protect his young child from being shot by IDF

I remember at the time when i saw the video i felt an incredible amount of rage towards Israel.

And recently, i have seen pretty convincing facts that it was staged. I have seen that video (if i come by the link again ill post it) after i have seen one of the flotilla attack video.

Now.... i would not be surprise at all that if in fact some innocent "activist" got killed in the process that they were indeed killed by those who are crying foul at this very moment.

Obviously this was all planned out by whoever wants to stop the blockade.

More aid and maybe televise all the aids that goes in gaza to show that they do get all they need to survive.

Cause right now they push that they arent getting close to enough.

I would also like to be convinced that they are not getting slowly killed.

I also respect that some items may not be accepted, a list of the items would be great to have also.

Hamas was created by Mossad. If you're going to have an enemy, best to be in charge of it.

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If you think Israel is running Hamas, you're an even bigger jackass than I thought..

Iran is funding Hamas, You are supporting Iran? Terrorist? Hamas is internationally know as terrorist. Grizzled Old Goat, I thank GOD for your words of truth. There is so much delusion all over the world, but then that does show up at this time, just like the bible said it would, and has been for some time.

gog!
long time no see!
hows life on the prairies?

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Hamas was created by Mossad

Let me react on the facts here.

Fact 1. Hamas was democratically chosen, u know, by election.


Well then, it was pretty stupid of Gazans to elect an organization that was planning to lob endless rockets over the Israeli border, and then use them as human shields..

Wasn't it?


The flotillatards were used as cannon fodder by Hamas also - useful idiots...


You have said in this thread, in more then 6 reactions. less then i type in one post.

You can call me a lot of things, tard is not one of them.

Fact 1: The Gaza Strip is an armed camp, ruled with an iron fist by a repressive Hamas regime that has not only repeatedly pledged itself to the annihilation of Israel and the torpedoing of any prospects for Middle East peace, but has made good on its pledges by firing approximately 10,000 missiles, rockets, and mortar bombs at Israeli civilians over the past several years for the express purpose of killing or wounding those civilians or, at a minimum, terrifying them.

Oh noes, they terrified people. They swore to destroy the OCCUPYING REGIME that has destroyed their homes and their way of life. An OCCUPYING REGIME that has killed, raped, stoned, wounded, and in many other ways harmed and harassed them.

Gosh, it's awful surprising that people would lash back at an ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING REGIME.

Actually, let's face it, what's surprising is that they have survived this long at all against the Israelis.

Fact 2: The United States, the European Union, and the international community have recognized that Hamas is a terrorist enterprise, which surely is beyond dispute.

Oh, surely, if the allies of the ILLEGAL OCCUPYING REGIME all agree that the Palestinian FREEDOM FIGHTERS are TERRORISTS, then it's beyond dispute that they ARE terrorists! What could be more obvious!

Fact 3: When faced with an armed enemy committed to its destruction, which has done its very best to make war against Israeli civilians, Israel has two choices: to try to protect its civilians from those attacks, or to simply shrug its shoulders and hope that the attacks stop. There is, quite simply, no nation on earth that would choose the latter course, and no reasonable and fair-minded person who would expect it to.

How about door number 3. Stop raping, killing, kicking people out of their homes, stealing from them, and otherwise committing atrocities and genocides against them?!

Oh no, of course, THAT couldn't POSSIBLY be a choice. We'll limit an unlimited number of options to the two dumbest ones. The two that most fit the warped ideology of genocide and war that Israel and Amerika both love so much and profit from so extensively.

Fact 4: In an effort to stop the missiles from being manufactured and used against it, and only for that reason, Israel has been forced to try to keep the materials used for that purpose out of the Gaza Strip. This is an obvious step needed to prevent the kind of war that caused so much destruction in 2008, when the increase in attacks by Hamas and its allies against Israeli civilians eventually triggered an Israeli response to stop them. There can be no real doubt that Israel is entitled to keep weapons of war from being used against it.

Oh, yes. The poor, downtrodden Israelis, with their nukes, their phosphorus bombs, their fighter jets, their state-of-the-art military weaponry.

Oh, boo hoo. They MUST prevent anyone from delivering humanitarian aide to the concentration camp. Because OH NOES, they SO fear for their very LIVES!

Yes, of course, they must prevent the terrible horrifying bottle rockets from hitting their tanks and their fighter jets.

And they MUST, naturally, be allowed to murder and assault anyone they wish to in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Because... oh, they are just trying to PROTECT themselves from those oh-so-terrifying home made rockets.

Fact 5: Israel repeatedly, and expressly, made clear to those who organized the effort to break the embargo that it would willingly take all of the humanitarian aid that was on their boats and transfer it to Gaza, without delay. All that Israel wanted was to be able to ensure that materials were, in fact, humanitarian aid, rather than the sorts of materials used for launching attacks that are supplied to Hamas by the Iranians and others. The organizers of the flotilla refused because, of course, getting humanitarian aid to Gaza was not what their gambit was really about.

Send me all your money. I promise, I will send it to Israel. Without delay. No, it's true. I really will.

Oh, the fact that I fired on the UN trucks that were trying to render medical assistance? IGNORE THAT! It doesn't matter.

I really WILL give all your money to Israel, to help the poor people wounded by the MASSIVE, TERRIFYING BOMBS OF THE HORRIFYING HAMAS!

You have no reason whatsoever to believe me. Trust me, I'm your FRIEND!

Fact 6: Israel regularly provides humanitarian aid to Gaza, and volunteering to get the humanitarian aid from the ships to Gaza was consistent with Israeli policy all along.

Prove it. I've seen much proving otherwise, and nothing proving this.

I've seen proof of the Israeli army attacking UN vehicles after allowing them to enter Gaza. I've seen proof of them turning all kinds of aid back. Seen no proof of it being rendered.

And Fact 7, which is now coming to light several days after the initial and predictable barrage of criticism of Israel: Those on at least one of the ships planned all along to attack Israelis when they sought to enforce the embargo, and indeed, their attack on the Israelis was brutal.

Hamas was created by Mossad. If you're going to have an enemy, best to be in charge of it.

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Hamas, Israel, and the Gaza flotilla: seven forgotten or ignored facts

By Nadav Tamir Nadav Tamir – Thu Jun 3, 4:55 pm ET
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Boston – In the torrent of rage and confusion generated by the loss of life when the Israeli Navy enforced the embargo on the Gaza Strip this week, there has been a regrettable overlooking of certain fundamental facts. As is so frequently the case, these facts have gotten buried in the rubble of political rhetoric. In order to prevent this incident from having a deleterious effect on the peace process going forward, the following must be understood:

Fact 1: The Gaza Strip is an armed camp, ruled with an iron fist by a repressive Hamas regime that has not only repeatedly pledged itself to the annihilation of Israel and the torpedoing of any prospects for Middle East peace, but has made good on its pledges by firing approximately 10,000 missiles, rockets, and mortar bombs at Israeli civilians over the past several years for the express purpose of killing or wounding those civilians or, at a minimum, terrifying them.

Fact 2: The United States, the European Union, and the international community have recognized that Hamas is a terrorist enterprise, which surely is beyond dispute.

Fact 3: When faced with an armed enemy committed to its destruction, which has done its very best to make war against Israeli civilians, Israel has two choices: to try to protect its civilians from those attacks, or to simply shrug its shoulders and hope that the attacks stop. There is, quite simply, no nation on earth that would choose the latter course, and no reasonable and fair-minded person who would expect it to.

Fact 4: In an effort to stop the missiles from being manufactured and used against it, and only for that reason, Israel has been forced to try to keep the materials used for that purpose out of the Gaza Strip. This is an obvious step needed to prevent the kind of war that caused so much destruction in 2008, when the increase in attacks by Hamas and its allies against Israeli civilians eventually triggered an Israeli response to stop them. There can be no real doubt that Israel is entitled to keep weapons of war from being used against it.

Fact 5: Israel repeatedly, and expressly, made clear to those who organized the effort to break the embargo that it would willingly take all of the humanitarian aid that was on their boats and transfer it to Gaza, without delay. All that Israel wanted was to be able to ensure that materials were, in fact, humanitarian aid, rather than the sorts of materials used for launching attacks that are supplied to Hamas by the Iranians and others. The organizers of the flotilla refused because, of course, getting humanitarian aid to Gaza was not what their gambit was really about.

Fact 6: Israel regularly provides humanitarian aid to Gaza, and volunteering to get the humanitarian aid from the ships to Gaza was consistent with Israeli policy all along.

And Fact 7, which is now coming to light several days after the initial and predictable barrage of criticism of Israel: Those on at least one of the ships planned all along to attack Israelis when they sought to enforce the embargo, and indeed, their attack on the Israelis was brutal.

This fact has been starkly captured in video widely circulating around the Internet, showing the vicious beatings initiated by those on board one of the ships against Israelis, who for their part had been instructed to refrain from using any force if at all possible. Indeed, in Israel the military is being criticized for failing to adequately prepare its naval personnel to anticipate the attacks on them from the boats, and for being too passive, and too trusting, in its approach to the flotilla.

As for the evidence that certain individuals of those responsible for orchestrating this tragedy are linked to Al Qaeda and other representatives of the worst forces on the planet, the next days will likely yield more information.

But the larger issue is this: Has the desire to blame Israel in certain quarters reached such an irrational frenzy that the fundamental facts of any issue relating to the Middle East conflict will reliably be overlooked? Are those who are committed to a fair-minded and reasonable analysis of that conflict prepared to insist that others who like nothing more than jumping to conclusions stop, pause, think, and consider the actual evidence?

There will always be those who don’t let facts to get in the way of their biases. But fair-minded people examine the evidence before forming conclusions, especially when emotions run high. Israel – and the cause of peace in the Middle East – is counting on them to do just that.