We need to explain God's Imagery! The book of Revelation needs to be unVEILED!@

I will add some examples.

Adam and Eve.
Mother and Father.
with TWO children equals nuclear family

FAMILY

Now someone add theirs. Also we will develop a spiritual theology that works for most everyone, by keeping the terms simple.

Yin and Yang go with Man and Wife, or Adam and Eve

These are simple imageries that God is showing us in His reality.

hope this helps us,
nada

Really simple - it was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago - it didn't - it's over.

I firmly believe that humans interpreting Gods will simply leads to war and death.
It's rare to get 2 people to agree what to have for lunch.
Lets leave God's will to Him.

That is an EXCELLENT place to start.

No so much WHY did it not happen back then, but more, HOW can it happen for REAL, right now, this time?

This goes with what I am asking. What Imagery is God using now to tell us what time it is.

What is the imagery regarding the oil eruption?

What imagery did God use in the BOOK that He could be using now?

BIG EXAMPLE:

EXODUS

He just gave me that one.

Let's see if God inspires someone else.

nada

This is much easier, if we just explore the simple symbols and imagery. They repeat. God used them before, He will use them again. They are part of the fabric of reality.

for example:

On earth we have many geographic regions and cultures formed within them. It is a microcosm of the universe which is likely teaming with planetary species ( like one nation on earth) with their cultures.

As above, so below is another example many use.

What we might get if we combine the symbols/imagery that are common to most faiths, is a gestalt of a description of the truth and the reality that God sees.

love,
nada

Wrong! Try again....

The Book of Revelation UNVEILS the Holy Mass in Heaven

Alleluia!



Rev. 1:6, 20:6 - heaven's identification of the priesthood of the faithful is the same as the Church's identification on earth.

Rev. 1:10 - John witnesses the heavenly liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, which is a Catholic holy day of obligation for attending Mass on earth.

Rev. 1:12, 2:5 - there are lampstands or Menorahs in heaven. These have always been used in the Holy Mass of the Church on earth.

Rev. 1:13 - Jesus is clothed as High Priest. Our priests also clothe themselves as "alter Christuses" (other Christs) in offering His sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 1:13, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13-14 - priests wear special vestments in heaven. Our priests also wear special vestments in celebrating the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 2:5,16,21; 3:3; 16:11 - there is a penitential rite in heaven which is also part of the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 2:17 - there is manna in heaven given to the faithful. This is the same as the Eucharistic manna given to the faithful at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 4:4, 5:14; 11:16, 14:3, 19:4 - there are priests ("presbyteroi") in heaven. Priests offer sacrifice. Our earthly priests participate with the heavenly priests in offering Jesus' eternal sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 4:8 - heaven's liturgical chant "Holy, Holy, Holy" is the same that is used in the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 4:8-11, 5:9-14, 7:10-12, 18:1-8 - the various antiphonal chants in the heavenly liturgy are similar to those used at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 5:1 - there is a book or scroll of God's word in heaven. This is reflected in the Liturgy of the Word at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 5:6 and throughout - heaven's description of Jesus as the "Lamb" is the same as the description of Jesus as the Lamb of God in the Eucharistic liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 5:8, 6:9-11, 8:3-4 - heaven's emphasis on the intercession of the saints is the same as the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 5:8, 8:3-4 - there is incense in heaven which has always been part of the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 5:14; 7:12; 19:4 - heaven's concluding liturgical prayer "Amen" is the same as is used at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 6:9 - the martyrs who are seen under the heavenly altar is similar to the Church's tradition of keeping relics of saints under the earthly altars.

Rev. 7:3, 14:1, 22:4 - there is the sign of the cross ("tau") in heaven. This sign is used during the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 7:9; 14:6 - the catholicity or universality of heaven as God's family is the essence of the Catholic faith on earth.

Rev. 8:1 - the silent contemplation in heaven is similar to our silent contemplation at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 8:3, 11:1, 14:18, 16:7 - there is an altar in heaven. But no altar is needed unless a sacrifice is being offered in heaven. This is the same sacrifice that is offered on the altars used in the Holy Masses on earth.

Rev. 11:12 - the phrase "come up here" is similar to the priest's charge to "lift up your hearts" at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 12:1-6, 13-17 - heaven's emphasis on the Blessed Virgin Mary is the same as the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 12:7 - heaven's emphasis on the Archangel Michael's intercession is the same as the concluding prayers at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 14:4 - there are consecrated celibates in heaven, as there are with our Catholic priests and religious on earth.

Rev. 15:7, 16:1-4,8,10,12,17; 21:9 - there are chalices (or bowls) in the heavenly liturgy. This is like the chalices used to offer Christ's sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 15:3-4 - there is the recitation of the "Gloria" in heaven. This is also recited at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 15:5 - there is a tent or tabernacle in heaven. Tabernacles are used to store the Eucharist at the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 17, 19:9 - the consummation of the Lamb at heaven's marriage supper is the same as the Lamb's supper in the Holy Mass on earth.

Rev. 19:1,3,4,6 - there is the recitation of the "Alleluia" in heaven. This is also recited at the Holy Mass on earth.

Here is another example, based on my understandings.

Not only does God want to come and rescue mankind from our disaster, He also wants to help us clean up our act in our personal life.

Knowing that about God is super important, if you think about it.

Using symbols and imagery can help us get into the character and heart of God, which can lead us to ascertain what He would want to be doing right now.

love,
nada

Oh you mean like how Jihadists and other religious fanatics interpret Gods will to further push war and death??

I say again, Interpreting Gods will leads only to the death and destruction of those that think differently.
The intentions may be good at first, but they ALWAYS get twisted to target people who believe something different.

I think your heart is in the right place.
But why can't we live our lives trying to just be good people?

I think that is what any God would want, regardless of which version of His story you follow.

Because...we can't do it alone, we need the help of God's
grace in us. God's grace is His presence within us. God
is holy, He can't remain in us if we have even one mortal
sin on our soul.

That is why Our Lord established Confession in John 20:23.

If you are a non-Catholic Christian...repent with true contrition and confess your serious (mortal) sins to God.

Gosh I only wanted to talk a little spirituality with symbols and imagery that we can all understand to mean one thing. Like the Tree of Life, or the chakra system.

I am not trying to appeal to God to get Him to punish a group of people.

But, instead to open up a channel in the communication hierarchy, that must exist, between a central single entity that represents His Children ( all humans on earth ), and God in His Throne Room. Using imagery, and yes even mathematics or sacred geometry, whatever kind of archetypes we can agree on enough to send a coherent message to our Creator.

Most of us do not believe in a vengeful God who is coming to set one peoples against another.

Most of us believe in a God who is everything by definition and LOVE ESSENCE ITSELF by character. Full of GOODNESS.


all mankinds problems comes from his mistakes, bad attitudes and superstitions (including creating boogey-men by his faith in their existence).

Our Creator has a place for everything, and everything in its Right place policy. Death and Evil go into non-existence; the experiment in time, if you want to call it that, is over. God simply wants to reunite with Everyone right now.

If what I said above, is an example of a message that we would want to send to the Creator of all things, then with symbols and imagery, how could we describe it? Using His terminology, how do we answer, YES, we want TO BE awakened from this nightmare, we heard the good news that it is actually all over as far as You are concerned, God.

We recognize that all our systems are going down the spiritual toilet... ie they have no future so the future for them is collapsing rapidly towards our present. (please reread that again)

A new reality is emerging in front of our faces and we need guidance on what to expect to see. NOW is the time that we revert back to plain human beings who need to hold up symbols and make charts and pictures to communicate our solidarity with the Creator.

We cant wave a cell phone at God unless you tell Him what it means TO HIM.

Unless you wave your cell phone up to God and yell I will use this to tell everyone the good news that somehow time ran out and it is all over and You want to awaken everyone. All is forgiven. There is no penalty. ( those two phrases speak to concerns in man's consciousness )

Then your cell becomes a SYMBOL of the imagery of your words going out to points around the world (you can imagine this in your mind), and then a rebounding energy beam coming from those people out to God. And you can imagine the beams increasing until we are all in an energetic, wow what would that be!?!?! Quite a VIBE with GOD.

wow

nada

love,
nada

what about suffering?

God is speaking to mankind now.....

what symbols do we see?

I am seeing evidence that GLPers are picking up on noticing imagery and code words and keywords

you folks are very sharp spiritually

good job on us!

love,
nada

Christianity would have been so much better if they voted in Peter's Apocalypse instead of John's/

today...the orange tree had alot of small unripr green oranges on the ground..ive never seen this happrn before..very odd, and whats up with that jesus statue getting hit by lightning? in ohio?

Do you mean Saturday? I thought the Lord's day was the 7th day.

WEEKEND

seems to be a keyword, as though each WEEKEND God makes moves and we can make great strides in our personal transformation.

nada

A good article on Unveiling the book of Revelation is here: [link to www.thegoodseed.org]

I second that