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The Bible says that no man can save himself.

no offense but the new testament is a joke (imho).

That depends on how you read it brother.


all i meant was that it has clearly been altered by man in order to convey people of their faith after all. imagine that christians would just have the old testament to rely on lol. how many people do you think would still be christians if that were to be the case? rofl

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Before i read anymore garbage from fundamental christians defending zion. Which in honesty i understand since is no fault of your own that you been brainwashed. Your church has been infiltrated from day one.

but please look at this and wake up to the reality that is the Khazar occupation of the world.


None of this is made up you can go look it up yourself the national library has a copy of Soncino Edition of the Talmud where these passages where witnessed. Which btw is the only real english translation of the Talmud ever made. Everything else has been "revised" for the goyim public.

There is also the book "History of the Talmud" Michael Rodkinson and Rabbi Isaac M. Wise, on page 70 you will find all the stuff that's in this post.

Before we go to that thou, lets look at the "Kol Nidre" (all vows pledge) which despite being a secular incantation it is often confused as a prayer. They speak it 3 times while the rabbis chant at the beginning of every Day of Attonement. It was changed in the 11th century after the Khazar corruption of the Talmuds, from a past tense to a future tense.

This is their vow:

" All vows, obligations, oaths, anathemas, whether called 'konam', 'konas', or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this day of atonement unto the next, (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void and made of no effect; They shall not bind us nor have powers over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."


The talmud speaks frequently of christians here are some of the passages and what it says:

Sanhedrin, 67 a -- Jesus referred to as the son of Pandira, a soldier

Kallah, 1b. (18b) -- Claims Jesus was a bastard son and conceived during menstruation (unclean fetus)

Sanhedrin, 67a -- Hanged on the eve of passover, toldath jeschu. Birth related in most shameful expressions.

Abhodah Zarah II -- Referred to as the son of Pandira again, a Roman soldier

Schabbath XIV -- Again referred as the son of Pandira

Sanhedrin, 45a -- on the eve of passover they hanged Jesus

Schabbath, 104b -- Called a fool and no one pays attention to fools

Sanhedrin, `03a -- suggested corrupts his morals and dishonors himself.

Sanhedrin, 107b == seduced, corrupted and destroyed israel.

Zohar III (282) -- Died like a beast and buried in animal's dirt heap

Hilkoth Melakhim -- This passage attempts to prove Christians err in worship of Jesus

Abhodah Zarah, 21a - References to worship of Jesus in homes unwanted.

Orach Chaiim, 113 --Warns to avoid appearance of paying respects to Jesus

Lore Dea, 150,2 -- Warns to not appear to pay respect to Jesus by accident.

Abhodah Zarah (6a) -- States that Jesus was spreading false teachings to worship on first day of sabbath


Hilkhoth Maakhaloth - Claims Christians are idolators and should not be associated with.

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Warns to not associate with gentiles as they shed blood.

Lore Dea -- Warns to not associate with Christians as they shed blood.

Abhodah Zarah (25b) -- Beware of Christians when walking abroad with them

Orach Chaiim (20,2) -- Warns that Christians disguise themselves to kill Jews

Abhodah Zarah (15b) -- Suggests that Christians have sex relations with animals

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Suspects Christians of intercourse with animals again.

Schabbath (145b) -- Christians are unclean because they eat accordingly

Abhodah Zarah (22b) -- Christians are unclean because they are not at Mount Sinai

Lore Dea (198, 48) -- Clean female Jews contaminated meeting Christians

Kerithuth (6b p78) -- Jews called men, Christians not called men

Makkoth (7b) -- Innocent of murder if intent was to kill Christians.

Orach Chaiim (225, 10) -- Christians and animals grouped for comparisons

Midrasch Talpioth (225) -- Christians created to minister to jews, for always.

Orach Chaiim (57, 6a) -- Christians to be pitied more than sick pigs.

Zohar II (64b) -- Christian idolators likened to cows and asses

Kethuboth (110b) -- Psalmist compares Christians to unclean beasts.

Sanhedrin (74b). Tos. -- Sexual intercourse with a Christian likened to sexual intercourse with a beast.

Kethuboth (3b) -- The seed of a Christian likened to the value of a seed of a beast.

Kidduschim (68a) -- Christians like the people of an ass.

Eben Haezar (44.8) -- Marriages between Christians and Jews nell.

Zohar II (64b) -- Christian birth rate must be diminished materially.

Zohar I (28b) -- Christian idolators children of Eve's serpent.

Zohar I (131a) -- Idolatrous people (Christians) befoul the world.

Emek Haschanach (17a) -- Non - Jews souls come from death and death's shadow

Zohar I (46b, 47a) --Souls of gentiles have unclean divine origins.

Rosh Haschanach (17a) --Non Jews souls go down to hell

Lore dea (337, 1) -- Replace dead Christians like lost cow or ass.

Lebhammoth (61a) -- Jews called men, but no Christian can be called such.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) T. -- Forbidden to sell religious works to Christians

Abhodah Zarah (78) -- Christian churches are places of idolatry.

Lore Dea (142, 10) -- Must keep far away physically from churches

Lore Dea (142, 15) -- Must not listen to church music or look at idols.

Iore Dea (143, 1) Must not rebuild homes destroyed near churches.

Hilkoth Abh. Zar (10b) Don't resell broken chalices to Christians.

Chullin (91b) Jews possess dignity even angels cannot share.

Sanhedrin, 58b To strike Israelite like slapping face of God.

Chagigah, 15b A Jew considered good in spite of sins he commits.

Gittin (62a) Jew stay away from Christian homes on holidays.

Choschen Ham. (26,1) Jew not sue before a Christian judge or laws.

Choschen Ham (34,19) Christian or servant cannot become witnesses.

Iore Dea (112, 1). Eating with Christians, breeds familiarity.

Abhodah Zarah (35b) Not drink milk from cow milked by Christian.

Iore Dea (178, 1) Not imitate Christian customs, even hair-comb.

Abhodah Zarah (72b) Discard wine touched by Christians.

Iore Dea (120, 1) Bought-dishes from Christians to be well-washed.

Abhodah Zarah (2a) Avoid all, for 3 days before Christian festivals.

Abhodah Zarah (78c) Christian festivals regarded as idolatry.

Iore Dea (139, 1) Avoid things used in Christian worship.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) Don't sell Christians articles for worship.

Iore Dea (151, 1) H. Don't sell water to Christians for baptisms.

Abhodah Zarah (2a, 1) No trade with Christians on feast days.

Abhodah Zarah (1, 2) Now such trade permitted.

Abhodah Zarah (2aT) Trade because they have money to pay.

Iore Dea (148, 5) If Christian not devout, send him gifts.

Hilkoth Akum (IX, 2) Send gifts to Christians only if irreligious.

Iore Dea (81, 7 Ha) Christian wet-nurses dangerous.

Iore Dea (153, 1 H) Christian nurse will lead children to heresy.
Iore Dea (155, 1). Avoid unknown Christian doctors.

Peaschim (25a) Avoid medical help from idolaters (Christians).

Iore Dea (156, 1) Avoid Christian barbers unless escorted by Jews.

Abhodah Zarah (26a). Christian midwives dangerous when alone.

Zohar (I, 25b) Those good to Christians never rise when dead.

Hilkoth Akum (X, 6) Help needy Christians if it will promote peace.

Iore Dea (148, 12H) Hide hatred for Christians at celebrations.

Abhodah Zarah (20a) Never praise Christians lest it be believed.

Iore Dea (151, 14) Don't praise Christians to add to glory.

Hilkoth Akum (V, 12) Quote Scriptures to stop mention of their god

Iore Dea (146, 15) Christian religious articles contemptible.

Iore Dea (147, 5) Deride Christian religious articles.

Hilkoth Akum (X, 5) No gifts to Christians, gifts to converts.

Iore Dea (151, 11) No gifts to Christians, encourages friendship.

Iore Dea (335, 43) Exile for that Jew who sells farm to Christian.

Iore Dea (154, 2) Forbidden to teach a trade to a Christian.

Baba Bathra (54b) Christian property belongs to first claimant.

Choschen Ham (183, 7) Keep what Christian overpays in error.

Choschen Ham (226, 1) Jew may keep lost property of Christian.

Baba Kama (113b) It is permitted to deceive Christians.

Choschen Ham (183, 7) Jews divide what they overcharge Christians.

Choschen Ham (156, 5) Must not take Christian customers from Jews.

Iore Dea (157, 2) H May deceive all who believe Christian tenets.

Abhodah Zarah (54a) Usury practiced on Christians or apostates.

Iore Dea (159, 1) Usury permitted now for any reason to Christians.

Baba Kama (113a) Jew may lie and perjure to condemn a Christian.

Baba Kama (113b) Name of God unprofaned when lying to Christians.

Kallah (1b, p. 18) Jew may perjure himself with a clear conscience.

Schabbouth Hag. (6d). Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge.

Zohar (I, 160a) Jews must always try to deceive Christians.

Iore Dea (158, 1) Do not cure Christians unless it makes enemies.

Orach Cahiim (330, 2) Not assist Christian's childbirth on Saturday

Choschen Ham (425, 5) Unless Torah believer, don't prevent death.

Iore Dea (158, 1) Christians not enemies must not be saved either.

Hilkkoth Akum (X, 1) Do not save Christians in danger of death.

Choschen Ham (386, 10) A spy may be killed even before he confesses.

Abhodah Zarah (26b) Apostates to be cast into well, not rescued.

Choschen Ham (388, 15) Kill all who give Jews' money to Christians.

Sanhedrin (59a) "Prying into Jews' "Law" to get death penalty.

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 2) Baptized Jews are to be put to death.

Iore Dea (158,2) Hag. Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.

Choschen Ham (425, 5) Those who do not believe in Torah to be killed

Hilkhoth tesch. III, Christians deny the "Law" of the Torah.

Zohar (I, 25a) Christians to be destroyed as idolaters.

Zohar (II, 19a) Captivity of Jews end when Christian princes die.

Zohar (I, 219b) Princes of Christians are idolaters, must die.

Obadiam -- When Rome is destroyed, Israel will be redeemed.

Abhodah Zarah (26b) T. Even the best of the Goim should be killed.

Sepher Or Israel 177b If Jew kills Christian commits no sin.

Ialkut Simoni (245c) Shedding blood of impious sacrifice to God.

Zohar (II, 43a) Extermination of Christians necessary sacrifice.

Zohar (I, 28b, 39a) High place in heaven for all who kill idolaters.

Hilkhoth Akum( X, 1) Make no agreement, show no mercy to Christians

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 1) Turn them away from their idols or kill.

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 7) No idolaters to remain where Jews are strong.

Choschen Ham (388, 16) All contribute to cost of killing traitor.

Pesachim (49b) No need of prayers while beheading on Sabbath.

Schabbath (118a). Prayers save from punishment of coming Messiah.





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This is why, despite my rational leanings I have an instinctive pull towards Christianity.
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The Bible says that no man can save himself.


no offense but the new testament is a joke (imho).


That's cool man, I knew your opinion before you said it. But what exactly is the big joke? I'd like to hear it.

I respect the Koran and it's followers even though I find it to be one of the most illogical religious texts in existence. I'm sure you feel that way about the Bible. I've come to my decision based on personal study of everything from Islam to ritual/ceremonial magick and the mystery religions.
 Quoting: GUANO


the joke is (keep in mind that i was born RC baptized and the whole bits, currently "spiritual" or pagan i guess) that the RC was created by exactly those who Jesus was speaking out against in order to do that which Jesus had wanted to warn the people against.

hows that?
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all i meant was that it has clearly been altered by man in order to convey people of their faith after all. imagine that christians would just have the old testament to rely on lol. how many people do you think would still be christians if that were to be the case? rofl
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The New testament is about the New Covenant, the Church Age, the final ending of it when Jesus returns, the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ, and then the abolishing of sin and death. The New Testament writers relied heavily upon the Old Testament and the Holy Spirit in order to write the New Testament. It was clearly written with the Old Testament in mind as many references were used by the New Testament writers, whether direct or indirectly.
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having said that i'm not saying RC is 100% bad it would be impossible to corrupt the word of God like so.

but one must be careful and not forget where the book and not the Word originated from.
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having said that i'm not saying RC is 100% bad it would be impossible to corrupt the word of God like so.

but one must be careful and not forget where the book and not the Word originated from.
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Sola Scriptura is wrong.
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religion the tool of TPTB, mindless drones.
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2 pages in and it's still civil. cool2
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Many of the bible versions have small edits that lead to deception....

But if it's been changed so much then why are ancient scrolls still being discovered (like the book of Isiah) that match perfectly with some current translations? No matter what they try to do they will never destroy the Word.

It's a complete miracle that the Bible is actually as accurate compared to the ancient texts as it is. It's because God has protected it through the ages.

I don't care what anyone says, do what smart people do, find out for yourself. Call up the Library of Cairo, pay 60 euros and have them take pictures of the ancient texts, get a greek concordance (for new testament) and compare with the new translations for yourself! But that might actually take some work! You have to seek the truth in order to find it...
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But what exactly is the big joke? I'd like to hear it.
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the old testament is in most parts widely acknowledged / accepted by muslims aswell but if you simply compare what judaism & islam are teaching in contrary to what you would find in the new testament it becomes obvious that certain individuals made a desperate attempt to give their religion a rather new vibe (lol) so that god's will & intentions would become more comprehensible again.

feel free to read #3 The accuracy of the Gospels

[link to skeptically.org]
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religion the tool of TPTB, mindless drones.
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its ok take your time. Eventually it will be impossible to deny that which surrounds you bud. Not speaking of religion but of Him.

But i guess you never have asked yourself who you are, where you came from, where you going? your life is a finite existence of here and now? wait thinking?? what kind of material is that...if the material is all you wish to be then what are you doing having thoughts in your head?
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Many of the bible versions have small edits that lead to deception....

But if it's been changed so much then why are ancient scrolls still being discovered (like the book of Isiah) that match perfectly with some current translations? No matter what they try to do they will never destroy the Word.

It's a complete miracle that the Bible is actually as accurate compared to the ancient texts as it is. It's because God has protected it through the ages.

I don't care what anyone says, do what smart people do, find out for yourself. Call up the Library of Cairo, pay 60 euros and have them take pictures of the ancient texts, get a greek concordance (for new testament) and compare with the new translations for yourself! But that might actually take some work! You have to seek the truth in order to find it...
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ahem... all these books that have been found.. do you know who is translating them and where they are being kept?
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The Bible says that no man can save himself.


no offense but the new testament is a joke (imho).


That's cool man, I knew your opinion before you said it. But what exactly is the big joke? I'd like to hear it.

I respect the Koran and it's followers even though I find it to be one of the most illogical religious texts in existence. I'm sure you feel that way about the Bible. I've come to my decision based on personal study of everything from Islam to ritual/ceremonial magick and the mystery religions.


the joke is (keep in mind that i was born RC baptized and the whole bits, currently "spiritual" or pagan i guess) that the RC was created by exactly those who Jesus was speaking out against in order to do that which Jesus had wanted to warn the people against.

hows that?
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I don't get how that's a joke... I thought that was common knowledge. What you just said has nothing to do with the topic nor does it relate to the Bible being a joke.... Sure it's a joke to them... So what?
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People WTF is wrong with You?!
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Many of the bible versions have small edits that lead to deception....

But if it's been changed so much then why are ancient scrolls still being discovered (like the book of Isiah) that match perfectly with some current translations? No matter what they try to do they will never destroy the Word.

It's a complete miracle that the Bible is actually as accurate compared to the ancient texts as it is. It's because God has protected it through the ages.

I don't care what anyone says, do what smart people do, find out for yourself. Call up the Library of Cairo, pay 60 euros and have them take pictures of the ancient texts, get a greek concordance (for new testament) and compare with the new translations for yourself! But that might actually take some work! You have to seek the truth in order to find it...



ahem... all these books that have been found.. do you know who is translating them and where they are being kept?
 Quoting: shalis


YOU CAN GET PICTURES OF THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS AND TRANSLATE THEM YOURSELF. HOW IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? MANY OF THEM ARE IN MUSEUM OF CAIRO, SOME ARE IN THE LOUVRE IN FRANCE, SOME ARE IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY, THEY ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD.... IT COSTS 60 EUROS TO HAVE THEM TAKE PROFESSIONAL PHOTOS... I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
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Many of the bible versions have small edits that lead to deception....

But if it's been changed so much then why are ancient scrolls still being discovered (like the book of Isiah) that match perfectly with some current translations? No matter what they try to do they will never destroy the Word.

It's a complete miracle that the Bible is actually as accurate compared to the ancient texts as it is. It's because God has protected it through the ages.

I don't care what anyone says, do what smart people do, find out for yourself. Call up the Library of Cairo, pay 60 euros and have them take pictures of the ancient texts, get a greek concordance (for new testament) and compare with the new translations for yourself! But that might actually take some work! You have to seek the truth in order to find it...



ahem... all these books that have been found.. do you know who is translating them and where they are being kept?
 Quoting: shalis



Yep. And that was the big controversy over the DSS and John Allegro.
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The New Testament writers relied heavily upon the Old Testament and the Holy Spirit in order to write the New Testament. It was clearly written with the Old Testament in mind as many references were used by the New Testament writers, whether direct or indirectly.
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but that alone is a big problem don't you think? it's not only the interpretation of these individuals but also the religious context which make it appear as an imaginative remake with a clear intent to 'reform' what was there as a basis. for me personally this "reef" between the two books alone disqualifies any chance for having an unflawed holy scripture that actually makes sense in its combined unity.
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But what exactly is the big joke? I'd like to hear it.


the old testament is in most parts widely acknowledged / accepted by muslims aswell but if you simply compare what judaism & islam are teaching in contrary to what you would find in the new testament it becomes obvious that certain individuals made a desperate attempt to give their religion a rather new vibe (lol) so that god's will & intentions would become more comprehensible again.

feel free to read #3 The accuracy of the Gospels

[link to skeptically.org]
 Quoting: Mujahid


You respect the words of the Prophet Jesus, correct?

Around the time when Jesus walked this earth, the Jews had turned so far from the original teaching of the Torah that they even wanted to kill Jesus Christ for being the Messiah. They knew, and had many Messianic signs shown to them, that He was the Son of Man (OT term of Messiah), and wanted to have all that belonged to Him (His rightful authority, etc). They believed the time ripe to overturn the rule of their oppressors (Romans), and once again be an independent nation. Because they erroneously expected the time for their nation to be the pinnacle of all nations to be at that time, they viciously put their own King to death. The Jews were so corrupt at this time that they began to institute traditions that contradicted the very Word of God in the OT. Because of this corruption and greed, God rejected them; but only for a season. The thing is, it was prophesied that the Jews as a nation would reject their Messiah, and that the blessing of salvation in the Messiah would go to every nation, and not just Israel. These were prophesied about in great detail. The death and Resurrection of the Messiah was also prophesied about.

So, you see, I could go on and on but I won't.
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But what exactly is the big joke? I'd like to hear it.


the old testament is in most parts widely acknowledged / accepted by muslims aswell but if you simply compare what judaism & islam are teaching in contrary to what you would find in the new testament it becomes obvious that certain individuals made a desperate attempt to give their religion a rather new vibe (lol) so that god's will & intentions would become more comprehensible again.

feel free to read #3 The accuracy of the Gospels

[link to skeptically.org]
 Quoting: Mujahid


I think you have failed to understand the purpose of the old testament and that of the divine processes at work.

I have read the website you mention in the past, these references are taken way out of context, the same way many of the anti-Koran texts are taken out of context by those of the Christian faith.
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The New Testament writers relied heavily upon the Old Testament and the Holy Spirit in order to write the New Testament. It was clearly written with the Old Testament in mind as many references were used by the New Testament writers, whether direct or indirectly.


but that alone is a big problem don't you think? it's not only the interpretation of these individuals but also the religious context which make it appear as an imaginative remake with a clear intent to 'reform' what was there as a basis. for me personally this "reef" between the two books alone disqualifies any chance for having an unflawed holy scripture that actually makes sense in its combined unity.
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JESUS DID COME TO REFORM... THAT'S NO SECRET.
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The New Testament writers relied heavily upon the Old Testament and the Holy Spirit in order to write the New Testament. It was clearly written with the Old Testament in mind as many references were used by the New Testament writers, whether direct or indirectly.

but that alone is a big problem don't you think?
it's not only the interpretation of these individuals but also the religious context which make it appear as an imaginative remake with a clear intent to 'reform' what was there as a basis.
 Quoting: Mujahid


I think the best question here would be:

"Is the interpretation correct, or is it incorrect? "

Here's a general idea of the Old Testament, and it's purpose, from the mouth of Jesus:

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. - John 5:39

You see, the Jews knew plenty about their coming Messiah. They were awaiting His arrival because the Torah spoke frequently of His coming. So, either Jesus was lying, or He didn't say this at all, or He was claiming to be the Messiah. The OT also said that a New Covenant was coming.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 31:31-37

Most of the above has not yet been fully fulfilled. The house of Judah and Israel are not fully restored to their God. Jesus said if you hate Me, you hate My Father. Many Jews do not know their Messiah, and some even hate Him. This will not be the case forever, however.


for me personally this "reef" between the two books alone disqualifies any chance for having an unflawed holy scripture that actually makes sense in its combined unity.
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My advice, if you're truly serious about understanding all of this, would be to read information not just from one side, but from both sides. Hear what Christian scholars have to say, as well as non-Christian scholars. We are all biased in one way or another; some less than others, some more than others.

But a word of warning: Not all Christians know what they're talking about. And not all Christian scholars who may excel in one or more areas of Biblical study will excel in all areas of Biblical study.

Old Testament vs. New Testament - What are the differences?
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for a good discussion.

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All the xtrian fundies have been taking in and controlled by external forces that help brainwash the idiots into believing that supporting Israel is mandatory.
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the Talmud is not an inspired source for doctrine

the old testament is -- and it's full of future promises yet to be fulfilled for the Jewish people -- who are the current inhabitants if Israel. DNA tests of the past decade confirm that Israelis are Jews.

the enemy knows if he can destroy the Jewish people, he can make God's Word void. but God's Wors will NOT return to Him void --He will defend the Jews

not for their sake -- but for HIS. He will defend them to show the world, and them, Who He is. He made promises to Abraham Isaac and Jacob -- He will keep them. for these patriarchs' sake as well.

God still blesses those who bless the Jews, and curses them who curses them. every nation that has sought their harm has been destroyed, as prophesied. going all the way back to Assyria and Babylon and through the present day to Nazi Germany.

God bless the Jews and Israel -- and pray for the peace of Jerusalem

love peace and joy

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the Talmud is not an inspired source for doctrine

the old testament is -- and it's full of future promises yet to be fulfilled for the Jewish people -- who are the current inhabitants if Israel. DNA tests of the past decade confirm that Israelis are Jews.

the enemy knows if he can destroy the Jewish people, he can make God's Word void. but God's Wors will NOT return to Him void --He will defend the Jews

not for their sake -- but for HIS. He will defend them to show the world, and them, Who He is. He made promises to Abraham Isaac and Jacob -- He will keep them. for these patriarchs' sake as well.

God still blesses those who bless the Jews, and curses them who curses them. every nation that has sought their harm has been destroyed, as prophesied. going all the way back to Assyria and Babylon and through the present day to Nazi Germany.

God bless the Jews and Israel -- and pray for the peace of Jerusalem

love peace and joy

rb
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your a fool. i posted several horrible sections from the Talmud. Also posted a direct quote from Torah.org stating the importance of the Talmud, which supercedes the Torah in current jewish religion.

belive what you want. in the end the truth is independent of your beliefs.
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the Talmud is not an inspired source for doctrine

the old testament is -- and it's full of future promises yet to be fulfilled for the Jewish people -- who are the current inhabitants if Israel. DNA tests of the past decade confirm that Israelis are Jews.

the enemy knows if he can destroy the Jewish people, he can make God's Word void. but God's Wors will NOT return to Him void --He will defend the Jews

not for their sake -- but for HIS. He will defend them to show the world, and them, Who He is. He made promises to Abraham Isaac and Jacob -- He will keep them. for these patriarchs' sake as well.

God still blesses those who bless the Jews, and curses them who curses them. every nation that has sought their harm has been destroyed, as prophesied. going all the way back to Assyria and Babylon and through the present day to Nazi Germany.

God bless the Jews and Israel -- and pray for the peace of Jerusalem

love peace and joy

rb


your a fool. i posted several horrible sections from the Talmud. Also posted a direct quote from Torah.org stating the importance of the Talmud, which supercedes the Torah in current jewish religion.

belive what you want. in the end the truth is independent of your beliefs.
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Before i read anymore garbage from fundamental christians defending zion. Which in honesty i understand since is no fault of your own that you been brainwashed. Your church has been infiltrated from day one.

but please look at this and wake up to the reality that is the Khazar occupation of the world.


None of this is made up you can go look it up yourself the national library has a copy of Soncino Edition of the Talmud where these passages where witnessed. Which btw is the only real english translation of the Talmud ever made. Everything else has been "revised" for the goyim public.

There is also the book "History of the Talmud" Michael Rodkinson and Rabbi Isaac M. Wise, on page 70 you will find all the stuff that's in this post.

Before we go to that thou, lets look at the "Kol Nidre" (all vows pledge) which despite being a secular incantation it is often confused as a prayer. They speak it 3 times while the rabbis chant at the beginning of every Day of Attonement. It was changed in the 11th century after the Khazar corruption of the Talmuds, from a past tense to a future tense.

This is their vow:

" All vows, obligations, oaths, anathemas, whether called 'konam', 'konas', or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this day of atonement unto the next, (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void and made of no effect; They shall not bind us nor have powers over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."


The talmud speaks frequently of christians here are some of the passages and what it says:

Sanhedrin, 67 a -- Jesus referred to as the son of Pandira, a soldier

Kallah, 1b. (18b) -- Claims Jesus was a bastard son and conceived during menstruation (unclean fetus)

Sanhedrin, 67a -- Hanged on the eve of passover, toldath jeschu. Birth related in most shameful expressions.

Abhodah Zarah II -- Referred to as the son of Pandira again, a Roman soldier

Schabbath XIV -- Again referred as the son of Pandira

Sanhedrin, 45a -- on the eve of passover they hanged Jesus

Schabbath, 104b -- Called a fool and no one pays attention to fools

Sanhedrin, `03a -- suggested corrupts his morals and dishonors himself.

Sanhedrin, 107b == seduced, corrupted and destroyed israel.

Zohar III (282) -- Died like a beast and buried in animal's dirt heap

Hilkoth Melakhim -- This passage attempts to prove Christians err in worship of Jesus

Abhodah Zarah, 21a - References to worship of Jesus in homes unwanted.

Orach Chaiim, 113 --Warns to avoid appearance of paying respects to Jesus

Lore Dea, 150,2 -- Warns to not appear to pay respect to Jesus by accident.

Abhodah Zarah (6a) -- States that Jesus was spreading false teachings to worship on first day of sabbath


Hilkhoth Maakhaloth - Claims Christians are idolators and should not be associated with.

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Warns to not associate with gentiles as they shed blood.

Lore Dea -- Warns to not associate with Christians as they shed blood.

Abhodah Zarah (25b) -- Beware of Christians when walking abroad with them

Orach Chaiim (20,2) -- Warns that Christians disguise themselves to kill Jews

Abhodah Zarah (15b) -- Suggests that Christians have sex relations with animals

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Suspects Christians of intercourse with animals again.

Schabbath (145b) -- Christians are unclean because they eat accordingly

Abhodah Zarah (22b) -- Christians are unclean because they are not at Mount Sinai

Lore Dea (198, 48) -- Clean female Jews contaminated meeting Christians

Kerithuth (6b p78) -- Jews called men, Christians not called men

Makkoth (7b) -- Innocent of murder if intent was to kill Christians.

Orach Chaiim (225, 10) -- Christians and animals grouped for comparisons

Midrasch Talpioth (225) -- Christians created to minister to jews, for always.

Orach Chaiim (57, 6a) -- Christians to be pitied more than sick pigs.

Zohar II (64b) -- Christian idolators likened to cows and asses

Kethuboth (110b) -- Psalmist compares Christians to unclean beasts.

Sanhedrin (74b). Tos. -- Sexual intercourse with a Christian likened to sexual intercourse with a beast.

Kethuboth (3b) -- The seed of a Christian likened to the value of a seed of a beast.

Kidduschim (68a) -- Christians like the people of an ass.

Eben Haezar (44.8) -- Marriages between Christians and Jews nell.

Zohar II (64b) -- Christian birth rate must be diminished materially.

Zohar I (28b) -- Christian idolators children of Eve's serpent.

Zohar I (131a) -- Idolatrous people (Christians) befoul the world.

Emek Haschanach (17a) -- Non - Jews souls come from death and death's shadow

Zohar I (46b, 47a) --Souls of gentiles have unclean divine origins.

Rosh Haschanach (17a) --Non Jews souls go down to hell

Lore dea (337, 1) -- Replace dead Christians like lost cow or ass.

Lebhammoth (61a) -- Jews called men, but no Christian can be called such.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) T. -- Forbidden to sell religious works to Christians

Abhodah Zarah (78) -- Christian churches are places of idolatry.

Lore Dea (142, 10) -- Must keep far away physically from churches

Lore Dea (142, 15) -- Must not listen to church music or look at idols.

Iore Dea (143, 1) Must not rebuild homes destroyed near churches.

Hilkoth Abh. Zar (10b) Don't resell broken chalices to Christians.

Chullin (91b) Jews possess dignity even angels cannot share.

Sanhedrin, 58b To strike Israelite like slapping face of God.

Chagigah, 15b A Jew considered good in spite of sins he commits.

Gittin (62a) Jew stay away from Christian homes on holidays.

Choschen Ham. (26,1) Jew not sue before a Christian judge or laws.

Choschen Ham (34,19) Christian or servant cannot become witnesses.

Iore Dea (112, 1). Eating with Christians, breeds familiarity.

Abhodah Zarah (35b) Not drink milk from cow milked by Christian.

Iore Dea (178, 1) Not imitate Christian customs, even hair-comb.

Abhodah Zarah (72b) Discard wine touched by Christians.

Iore Dea (120, 1) Bought-dishes from Christians to be well-washed.

Abhodah Zarah (2a) Avoid all, for 3 days before Christian festivals.

Abhodah Zarah (78c) Christian festivals regarded as idolatry.

Iore Dea (139, 1) Avoid things used in Christian worship.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) Don't sell Christians articles for worship.

Iore Dea (151, 1) H. Don't sell water to Christians for baptisms.

Abhodah Zarah (2a, 1) No trade with Christians on feast days.

Abhodah Zarah (1, 2) Now such trade permitted.

Abhodah Zarah (2aT) Trade because they have money to pay.

Iore Dea (148, 5) If Christian not devout, send him gifts.

Hilkoth Akum (IX, 2) Send gifts to Christians only if irreligious.

Iore Dea (81, 7 Ha) Christian wet-nurses dangerous.

Iore Dea (153, 1 H) Christian nurse will lead children to heresy.
Iore Dea (155, 1). Avoid unknown Christian doctors.

Peaschim (25a) Avoid medical help from idolaters (Christians).

Iore Dea (156, 1) Avoid Christian barbers unless escorted by Jews.

Abhodah Zarah (26a). Christian midwives dangerous when alone.

Zohar (I, 25b) Those good to Christians never rise when dead.

Hilkoth Akum (X, 6) Help needy Christians if it will promote peace.

Iore Dea (148, 12H) Hide hatred for Christians at celebrations.

Abhodah Zarah (20a) Never praise Christians lest it be believed.

Iore Dea (151, 14) Don't praise Christians to add to glory.

Hilkoth Akum (V, 12) Quote Scriptures to stop mention of their god

Iore Dea (146, 15) Christian religious articles contemptible.

Iore Dea (147, 5) Deride Christian religious articles.

Hilkoth Akum (X, 5) No gifts to Christians, gifts to converts.

Iore Dea (151, 11) No gifts to Christians, encourages friendship.

Iore Dea (335, 43) Exile for that Jew who sells farm to Christian.

Iore Dea (154, 2) Forbidden to teach a trade to a Christian.

Baba Bathra (54b) Christian property belongs to first claimant.

Choschen Ham (183, 7) Keep what Christian overpays in error.

Choschen Ham (226, 1) Jew may keep lost property of Christian.

Baba Kama (113b) It is permitted to deceive Christians.

Choschen Ham (183, 7) Jews divide what they overcharge Christians.

Choschen Ham (156, 5) Must not take Christian customers from Jews.

Iore Dea (157, 2) H May deceive all who believe Christian tenets.

Abhodah Zarah (54a) Usury practiced on Christians or apostates.

Iore Dea (159, 1) Usury permitted now for any reason to Christians.

Baba Kama (113a) Jew may lie and perjure to condemn a Christian.

Baba Kama (113b) Name of God unprofaned when lying to Christians.

Kallah (1b, p. 18) Jew may perjure himself with a clear conscience.

Schabbouth Hag. (6d). Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge.

Zohar (I, 160a) Jews must always try to deceive Christians.

Iore Dea (158, 1) Do not cure Christians unless it makes enemies.

Orach Cahiim (330, 2) Not assist Christian's childbirth on Saturday

Choschen Ham (425, 5) Unless Torah believer, don't prevent death.

Iore Dea (158, 1) Christians not enemies must not be saved either.

Hilkkoth Akum (X, 1) Do not save Christians in danger of death.

Choschen Ham (386, 10) A spy may be killed even before he confesses.

Abhodah Zarah (26b) Apostates to be cast into well, not rescued.

Choschen Ham (388, 15) Kill all who give Jews' money to Christians.

Sanhedrin (59a) "Prying into Jews' "Law" to get death penalty.

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 2) Baptized Jews are to be put to death.

Iore Dea (158,2) Hag. Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.

Choschen Ham (425, 5) Those who do not believe in Torah to be killed

Hilkhoth tesch. III, Christians deny the "Law" of the Torah.

Zohar (I, 25a) Christians to be destroyed as idolaters.

Zohar (II, 19a) Captivity of Jews end when Christian princes die.

Zohar (I, 219b) Princes of Christians are idolaters, must die.

Obadiam -- When Rome is destroyed, Israel will be redeemed.

Abhodah Zarah (26b) T. Even the best of the Goim should be killed.

Sepher Or Israel 177b If Jew kills Christian commits no sin.

Ialkut Simoni (245c) Shedding blood of impious sacrifice to God.

Zohar (II, 43a) Extermination of Christians necessary sacrifice.

Zohar (I, 28b, 39a) High place in heaven for all who kill idolaters.

Hilkhoth Akum( X, 1) Make no agreement, show no mercy to Christians

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 1) Turn them away from their idols or kill.

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 7) No idolaters to remain where Jews are strong.

Choschen Ham (388, 16) All contribute to cost of killing traitor.

Pesachim (49b) No need of prayers while beheading on Sabbath.

Schabbath (118a). Prayers save from punishment of coming Messiah.





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Such bs

The talmud does not even mention Chistians

It does mention Idolaters, Christians are not concidered Idolater

I looked up a couple of your quotes

they dont even exist in the name of Idolaters

nothing on the pages listed appears like what is written at all


here is a example

you said

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Pesachim (49b) No need of prayers while beheading on Sabbath."

HERE IS

Talmud - Mas. Pesachim 49b

and unacceptable thing.

Our Rabbis taught: Let a man always sell all he has and marry the daughter of a scholar. If he does not find1 the daughter of a scholar, let him marry the daughter of [one of] the great men of the generation.2 If he does not find the daughter of [one of] the great men of the generation, let him marry the daughter of the head of synagogues. If he does not find the daughter of the head of synagogues,3 let him marry the daughter of a charity treasurer. If he does not find the daughter of a charity treasurer, let him marry the daughter of an elementary school-teacher, but let him not marry the daughter of an ‘am ha-arez, because they are detestable and their wives are vermin, and of their daughters it is said, Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast.4

It was taught, Rabbi said: An ‘am ha-arez may not eat the flesh of cattle, for it is said, This is the law [Torah] of the beast, and of the fowl;5 whoever engages in [the study of] the Torah may eat the flesh of beast and fowl, but he who does not engage in [the study of] the Torah may not eat the flesh of beast and fowl.

R. Eleazar said: An ‘am ha-arez, it is permitted to stab him [even] on the Day of Atonement which falls on the Sabbath. Said his disciples to him, Master, say to slaughter him [ritually]? He replied: This [ritual slaughter] requires a benediction, whereas that [stabbing] does not require a benediction. R. Eleazar said: One must not join company with an ‘am ha-arez on the road, because it is said, for that [the Torah] is thy life, and the length of thy days:6 [seeing that] he has no care [pity] for his own life,7 how much the more for the life of his companions! R. Samuel b. Nahmani said in R. Johanan's name: One may tear an ‘am haarez like a fish! Said R. Samuel b. Isaac: And [this means] along his back.

It was taught, R. Akiba said: When I was an ‘am ha-arez8 I said: I would that I had a scholar [before me], and I would maul him like an ass. Said his disciples to him, Rabbi, say like a dog! The former bites and breaks the bones, while the latter bites but does not break the bones, he answered them.

It was taught, R. Meir used to say: Whoever marries his daughter to an ‘am ha-arez, is as though he bound and laid her before a lion: just as a lion tears [his prey] and devours it and has no shame, so an ‘am ha-arez strikes and cohabits and has no shame.

It was taught, R. Eliezer said: But that we are necessary to them for trade, they would kill us. R. Hiyya taught: Whoever studies9 the Torah in front of an ‘am ha-arez, is as though he cohabited with his betrothed in his presence,10 for it is said, Moses commanded us a law, an inheritance [morashah] of the congregation of Jacob:11 read not morashah but me'orasah [the betrothed].12 Greater is the hatred wherewith the ‘amme ha-arez, hate the scholar than the hatred wherewith the heathens hate Israel, and their wives [hate even] more than they. It was taught: He who has studied and then abandoned [the Torah] [hates the scholar] more than all of them.13 Our Rabbis taught: Six things were said of the ‘amme ha-arez’: We do not commit testimony to them; we do not accept testimony from them; we do not reveal a secret to them; we do not appoint them as guardians for orphans; we do not appoint them stewards14 over charity funds; and we must not join their company on the road. Some say, We do not proclaim their losses too.15 And the first Tanna?16 — Virtuous seed may sometimes issue from him, and they will enjoy17 it, as it is said, He will prepare it, and the just shall put it on.18

SIMILARLY, HE WHO WENT OUT OF etc. Shall we say that R. Meir holds, only as much as an egg is of importance, whereas R. Judah holds, Even as much as an olive too is of importance?19 But the following contradicts it: For what [minimum] quantity20 must they recite grace in common?21 Until as much as an olive.22 R. Judah said: Until as much as an egg! — Said R. Johanan: The discussion23 must be reversed. Abaye said, After all you need not reverse [it]: there they differ in [the interpretation of Scriptural] verses, [whereas] here they differ in a matter of logic. ‘There they differ in [the interpretation of] verses’:R. Meir holds: And thou shalt eat,24 this refers to eating; and be satisfied, this means drinking, and eating is [constituted] by as much as an olive.25 While R. Judah holds: ‘And thou shalt eat and be satisfied’ [implies] eating in which there is satisfaction [of one's hunger], and what is that? As much as an egg. ‘Here they differ in a matter of logic’, for R. Meir holds: Its return is like its defilement:26 just as its defilement requires as much as an egg, so does its return require as much as an egg. While R. Judah holds, its return
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Before i read anymore garbage from fundamental christians defending zion. Which in honesty i understand since is no fault of your own that you been brainwashed. Your church has been infiltrated from day one.

but please look at this and wake up to the reality that is the Khazar occupation of the world.


None of this is made up you can go look it up yourself the national library has a copy of Soncino Edition of the Talmud where these passages where witnessed. Which btw is the only real english translation of the Talmud ever made. Everything else has been "revised" for the goyim public.

There is also the book "History of the Talmud" Michael Rodkinson and Rabbi Isaac M. Wise, on page 70 you will find all the stuff that's in this post.

Before we go to that thou, lets look at the "Kol Nidre" (all vows pledge) which despite being a secular incantation it is often confused as a prayer. They speak it 3 times while the rabbis chant at the beginning of every Day of Attonement. It was changed in the 11th century after the Khazar corruption of the Talmuds, from a past tense to a future tense.

This is their vow:

" All vows, obligations, oaths, anathemas, whether called 'konam', 'konas', or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this day of atonement unto the next, (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void and made of no effect; They shall not bind us nor have powers over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."


The talmud speaks frequently of christians here are some of the passages and what it says:

Sanhedrin, 67 a -- Jesus referred to as the son of Pandira, a soldier

Kallah, 1b. (18b) -- Claims Jesus was a bastard son and conceived during menstruation (unclean fetus)

Sanhedrin, 67a -- Hanged on the eve of passover, toldath jeschu. Birth related in most shameful expressions.

Abhodah Zarah II -- Referred to as the son of Pandira again, a Roman soldier

Schabbath XIV -- Again referred as the son of Pandira

Sanhedrin, 45a -- on the eve of passover they hanged Jesus

Schabbath, 104b -- Called a fool and no one pays attention to fools

Sanhedrin, `03a -- suggested corrupts his morals and dishonors himself.

Sanhedrin, 107b == seduced, corrupted and destroyed israel.

Zohar III (282) -- Died like a beast and buried in animal's dirt heap

Hilkoth Melakhim -- This passage attempts to prove Christians err in worship of Jesus

Abhodah Zarah, 21a - References to worship of Jesus in homes unwanted.

Orach Chaiim, 113 --Warns to avoid appearance of paying respects to Jesus

Lore Dea, 150,2 -- Warns to not appear to pay respect to Jesus by accident.

Abhodah Zarah (6a) -- States that Jesus was spreading false teachings to worship on first day of sabbath


Hilkhoth Maakhaloth - Claims Christians are idolators and should not be associated with.

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Warns to not associate with gentiles as they shed blood.

Lore Dea -- Warns to not associate with Christians as they shed blood.

Abhodah Zarah (25b) -- Beware of Christians when walking abroad with them

Orach Chaiim (20,2) -- Warns that Christians disguise themselves to kill Jews

Abhodah Zarah (15b) -- Suggests that Christians have sex relations with animals

Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Suspects Christians of intercourse with animals again.

Schabbath (145b) -- Christians are unclean because they eat accordingly

Abhodah Zarah (22b) -- Christians are unclean because they are not at Mount Sinai

Lore Dea (198, 48) -- Clean female Jews contaminated meeting Christians

Kerithuth (6b p78) -- Jews called men, Christians not called men

Makkoth (7b) -- Innocent of murder if intent was to kill Christians.

Orach Chaiim (225, 10) -- Christians and animals grouped for comparisons

Midrasch Talpioth (225) -- Christians created to minister to jews, for always.

Orach Chaiim (57, 6a) -- Christians to be pitied more than sick pigs.

Zohar II (64b) -- Christian idolators likened to cows and asses

Kethuboth (110b) -- Psalmist compares Christians to unclean beasts.

Sanhedrin (74b). Tos. -- Sexual intercourse with a Christian likened to sexual intercourse with a beast.

Kethuboth (3b) -- The seed of a Christian likened to the value of a seed of a beast.

Kidduschim (68a) -- Christians like the people of an ass.

Eben Haezar (44.8) -- Marriages between Christians and Jews nell.

Zohar II (64b) -- Christian birth rate must be diminished materially.

Zohar I (28b) -- Christian idolators children of Eve's serpent.

Zohar I (131a) -- Idolatrous people (Christians) befoul the world.

Emek Haschanach (17a) -- Non - Jews souls come from death and death's shadow

Zohar I (46b, 47a) --Souls of gentiles have unclean divine origins.

Rosh Haschanach (17a) --Non Jews souls go down to hell

Lore dea (337, 1) -- Replace dead Christians like lost cow or ass.

Lebhammoth (61a) -- Jews called men, but no Christian can be called such.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) T. -- Forbidden to sell religious works to Christians

Abhodah Zarah (78) -- Christian churches are places of idolatry.

Lore Dea (142, 10) -- Must keep far away physically from churches

Lore Dea (142, 15) -- Must not listen to church music or look at idols.

Iore Dea (143, 1) Must not rebuild homes destroyed near churches.

Hilkoth Abh. Zar (10b) Don't resell broken chalices to Christians.

Chullin (91b) Jews possess dignity even angels cannot share.

Sanhedrin, 58b To strike Israelite like slapping face of God.

Chagigah, 15b A Jew considered good in spite of sins he commits.

Gittin (62a) Jew stay away from Christian homes on holidays.

Choschen Ham. (26,1) Jew not sue before a Christian judge or laws.

Choschen Ham (34,19) Christian or servant cannot become witnesses.

Iore Dea (112, 1). Eating with Christians, breeds familiarity.

Abhodah Zarah (35b) Not drink milk from cow milked by Christian.

Iore Dea (178, 1) Not imitate Christian customs, even hair-comb.

Abhodah Zarah (72b) Discard wine touched by Christians.

Iore Dea (120, 1) Bought-dishes from Christians to be well-washed.

Abhodah Zarah (2a) Avoid all, for 3 days before Christian festivals.

Abhodah Zarah (78c) Christian festivals regarded as idolatry.

Iore Dea (139, 1) Avoid things used in Christian worship.

Abhodah Zarah (14b) Don't sell Christians articles for worship.

Iore Dea (151, 1) H. Don't sell water to Christians for baptisms.

Abhodah Zarah (2a, 1) No trade with Christians on feast days.

Abhodah Zarah (1, 2) Now such trade permitted.

Abhodah Zarah (2aT) Trade because they have money to pay.

Iore Dea (148, 5) If Christian not devout, send him gifts.

Hilkoth Akum (IX, 2) Send gifts to Christians only if irreligious.

Iore Dea (81, 7 Ha) Christian wet-nurses dangerous.

Iore Dea (153, 1 H) Christian nurse will lead children to heresy.
Iore Dea (155, 1). Avoid unknown Christian doctors.

Peaschim (25a) Avoid medical help from idolaters (Christians).

Iore Dea (156, 1) Avoid Christian barbers unless escorted by Jews.

Abhodah Zarah (26a). Christian midwives dangerous when alone.

Zohar (I, 25b) Those good to Christians never rise when dead.

Hilkoth Akum (X, 6) Help needy Christians if it will promote peace.

Iore Dea (148, 12H) Hide hatred for Christians at celebrations.

Abhodah Zarah (20a) Never praise Christians lest it be believed.

Iore Dea (151, 14) Don't praise Christians to add to glory.

Hilkoth Akum (V, 12) Quote Scriptures to stop mention of their god

Iore Dea (146, 15) Christian religious articles contemptible.

Iore Dea (147, 5) Deride Christian religious articles.

Hilkoth Akum (X, 5) No gifts to Christians, gifts to converts.

Iore Dea (151, 11) No gifts to Christians, encourages friendship.

Iore Dea (335, 43) Exile for that Jew who sells farm to Christian.

Iore Dea (154, 2) Forbidden to teach a trade to a Christian.

Baba Bathra (54b) Christian property belongs to first claimant.

Choschen Ham (183, 7) Keep what Christian overpays in error.

Choschen Ham (226, 1) Jew may keep lost property of Christian.

Baba Kama (113b) It is permitted to deceive Christians.

Choschen Ham (183, 7) Jews divide what they overcharge Christians.

Choschen Ham (156, 5) Must not take Christian customers from Jews.

Iore Dea (157, 2) H May deceive all who believe Christian tenets.

Abhodah Zarah (54a) Usury practiced on Christians or apostates.

Iore Dea (159, 1) Usury permitted now for any reason to Christians.

Baba Kama (113a) Jew may lie and perjure to condemn a Christian.

Baba Kama (113b) Name of God unprofaned when lying to Christians.

Kallah (1b, p. 18) Jew may perjure himself with a clear conscience.

Schabbouth Hag. (6d). Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge.

Zohar (I, 160a) Jews must always try to deceive Christians.

Iore Dea (158, 1) Do not cure Christians unless it makes enemies.

Orach Cahiim (330, 2) Not assist Christian's childbirth on Saturday

Choschen Ham (425, 5) Unless Torah believer, don't prevent death.

Iore Dea (158, 1) Christians not enemies must not be saved either.

Hilkkoth Akum (X, 1) Do not save Christians in danger of death.

Choschen Ham (386, 10) A spy may be killed even before he confesses.

Abhodah Zarah (26b) Apostates to be cast into well, not rescued.

Choschen Ham (388, 15) Kill all who give Jews' money to Christians.

Sanhedrin (59a) "Prying into Jews' "Law" to get death penalty.

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 2) Baptized Jews are to be put to death.

Iore Dea (158,2) Hag. Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.

Choschen Ham (425, 5) Those who do not believe in Torah to be killed

Hilkhoth tesch. III, Christians deny the "Law" of the Torah.

Zohar (I, 25a) Christians to be destroyed as idolaters.

Zohar (II, 19a) Captivity of Jews end when Christian princes die.

Zohar (I, 219b) Princes of Christians are idolaters, must die.

Obadiam -- When Rome is destroyed, Israel will be redeemed.

Abhodah Zarah (26b) T. Even the best of the Goim should be killed.

Sepher Or Israel 177b If Jew kills Christian commits no sin.

Ialkut Simoni (245c) Shedding blood of impious sacrifice to God.

Zohar (II, 43a) Extermination of Christians necessary sacrifice.

Zohar (I, 28b, 39a) High place in heaven for all who kill idolaters.

Hilkhoth Akum( X, 1) Make no agreement, show no mercy to Christians

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 1) Turn them away from their idols or kill.

Hilkhoth Akum (X, 7) No idolaters to remain where Jews are strong.

Choschen Ham (388, 16) All contribute to cost of killing traitor.

Pesachim (49b) No need of prayers while beheading on Sabbath.

Schabbath (118a). Prayers save from punishment of coming Messiah.





Pax Vosbicum to all those of kind heart.




Such bs

The talmud does not even mention Chistians

It does mention Idolaters, Christians are not concidered Idolater

I looked up a couple of your quotes

they dont even exist in the name of Idolaters

nothing on the pages listed appears like what is written at all


here is a example

you said

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Pesachim (49b) No need of prayers while beheading on Sabbath."

HERE IS

Talmud - Mas. Pesachim 49b

and unacceptable thing.

Our Rabbis taught: Let a man always sell all he has and marry the daughter of a scholar. If he does not find1 the daughter of a scholar, let him marry the daughter of [one of] the great men of the generation.2 If he does not find the daughter of [one of] the great men of the generation, let him marry the daughter of the head of synagogues. If he does not find the daughter of the head of synagogues,3 let him marry the daughter of a charity treasurer. If he does not find the daughter of a charity treasurer, let him marry the daughter of an elementary school-teacher, but let him not marry the daughter of an ‘am ha-arez, because they are detestable and their wives are vermin, and of their daughters it is said, Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast.4

It was taught, Rabbi said: An ‘am ha-arez may not eat the flesh of cattle, for it is said, This is the law [Torah] of the beast, and of the fowl;5 whoever engages in [the study of] the Torah may eat the flesh of beast and fowl, but he who does not engage in [the study of] the Torah may not eat the flesh of beast and fowl.

R. Eleazar said: An ‘am ha-arez, it is permitted to stab him [even] on the Day of Atonement which falls on the Sabbath. Said his disciples to him, Master, say to slaughter him [ritually]? He replied: This [ritual slaughter] requires a benediction, whereas that [stabbing] does not require a benediction. R. Eleazar said: One must not join company with an ‘am ha-arez on the road, because it is said, for that [the Torah] is thy life, and the length of thy days:6 [seeing that] he has no care [pity] for his own life,7 how much the more for the life of his companions! R. Samuel b. Nahmani said in R. Johanan's name: One may tear an ‘am haarez like a fish! Said R. Samuel b. Isaac: And [this means] along his back.

It was taught, R. Akiba said: When I was an ‘am ha-arez8 I said: I would that I had a scholar [before me], and I would maul him like an ass. Said his disciples to him, Rabbi, say like a dog! The former bites and breaks the bones, while the latter bites but does not break the bones, he answered them.

It was taught, R. Meir used to say: Whoever marries his daughter to an ‘am ha-arez, is as though he bound and laid her before a lion: just as a lion tears [his prey] and devours it and has no shame, so an ‘am ha-arez strikes and cohabits and has no shame.

It was taught, R. Eliezer said: But that we are necessary to them for trade, they would kill us. R. Hiyya taught: Whoever studies9 the Torah in front of an ‘am ha-arez, is as though he cohabited with his betrothed in his presence,10 for it is said, Moses commanded us a law, an inheritance [morashah] of the congregation of Jacob:11 read not morashah but me'orasah [the betrothed].12 Greater is the hatred wherewith the ‘amme ha-arez, hate the scholar than the hatred wherewith the heathens hate Israel, and their wives [hate even] more than they. It was taught: He who has studied and then abandoned [the Torah] [hates the scholar] more than all of them.13 Our Rabbis taught: Six things were said of the ‘amme ha-arez’: We do not commit testimony to them; we do not accept testimony from them; we do not reveal a secret to them; we do not appoint them as guardians for orphans; we do not appoint them stewards14 over charity funds; and we must not join their company on the road. Some say, We do not proclaim their losses too.15 And the first Tanna?16 — Virtuous seed may sometimes issue from him, and they will enjoy17 it, as it is said, He will prepare it, and the just shall put it on.18

SIMILARLY, HE WHO WENT OUT OF etc. Shall we say that R. Meir holds, only as much as an egg is of importance, whereas R. Judah holds, Even as much as an olive too is of importance?19 But the following contradicts it: For what [minimum] quantity20 must they recite grace in common?21 Until as much as an olive.22 R. Judah said: Until as much as an egg! — Said R. Johanan: The discussion23 must be reversed. Abaye said, After all you need not reverse [it]: there they differ in [the interpretation of Scriptural] verses, [whereas] here they differ in a matter of logic. ‘There they differ in [the interpretation of] verses’:R. Meir holds: And thou shalt eat,24 this refers to eating; and be satisfied, this means drinking, and eating is [constituted] by as much as an olive.25 While R. Judah holds: ‘And thou shalt eat and be satisfied’ [implies] eating in which there is satisfaction [of one's hunger], and what is that? As much as an egg. ‘Here they differ in a matter of logic’, for R. Meir holds: Its return is like its defilement:26 just as its defilement requires as much as an egg, so does its return require as much as an egg. While R. Judah holds, its return
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(1) I.e., cannot obtain.


WHAT THE OP IS LISTING ARE ALL LIES

RACIST BS bsflag
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In the text above "‘am ha-arez " means literally , person of the land, meaning a Jew who is not a Holy Sage
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Re: Talmud on Christians
So, i get form the israeli poster that jews love christians and hadn't despised everything about The Christed One and all the aspects of what He was teaching?

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