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BREAKING!Senator Nelson:Casing Broke...Oil Leaking from Seafloor!!!

 
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orignal article has links to various articles, if you want to see them. This opinion piece doesn't really bring any new information to the table but it is very well written and asserts Nelson's credibility in not making superfluous statements...


BP Well Bore And Casing Integrity May Be Blown, Says Florida’s Sen. Nelson
[link to emptywheel.firedoglake.com]

Oil and gas are leaking from the seabed surrounding the BP Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico, Senator Bill Nelson of Florida told Andrea Mitchell today on MSNBC. Nelson, one of the most informed and diligent Congressmen on the BP gulf oil spill issue, has received reports of leaks in the well, located in the Mississippi Canyon sector. This is potentially huge and devastating news.

If Nelson is correct in that assertion, and he is smart enough to not make such assertions lightly, so I think they must be taken at face value, it means the well casing and well bore are compromised and the gig is up on containment pending a completely effective attempt to seal the well from the bottom via successful “relief wells”. In fact, I have confirmed with Senator Nelson’s office that they are fully aware of the breaking news and significance of what the Senator said to Andrea Mitchell.

Furthermore, contrary to the happy talk propounded by BP, the Obama Administration and the press, the likely success of the “relief well” effort on the first try in August is nowhere near a certainty; and certainly nowhere near the certainty it is being painted as.

I may have been uncomfortably close to the mark. And the quote from Sir Richard Mottram was dead on the money; if Senator Nelson is correct about the breach of fundamental well integrity, the game is close to over for the Gulf of Mexico. We shall see where this goes from Nelson’s initial comment. But make no mistake, Nelson is a careful guy not prone to overt hyperbole, and he clearly understood the ramifications of what he was saying.

It also means, of course, that BP and the Obama Administrations continue to give the American public short shrift in the truth and honesty departments. How surprising.
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Vedic sastra (scripture) describes a situation that took place millenia ago on the earth planet, where one of the major demons began removing huge quantities of gold from the earth. The result was that the earth orb 'lost its balance', and fell down into what is known in Vedic cosmology as the Garbhodaka Ocean (think of it as falling out of orbit). It's also said that removing too much oil can have the same affect.

These underground pressures fit that scenario. Then again... Sickscent's commentaries on the effects of magnetosphere anomalies fit, too...


I heard a woman call in to radio show over weekend, and she suggested that the floor is cracking or splitting since the Haiti quake. I am not sure what show it was, maybe Ben Ferguson? but the host said. OH THERE YOU HAVE IT BETH FROM x says that's what happened.. sarcasm, ridicule..

No one wants to entertain the idea it could be natural and part of larger issues re: methane, shifting, seismic activity etc.



The methane, underground craters, seismic shifting is natural, man digging to such depths that he cracks the seafloor like an egg, altering the process and speeding up his own demise is NOT natural. But it is the excuse man uses to justify his reckless greed and refusal to respect the laws of nature. And the fact that he is a creature of the earth, not lord and master of it. If he doesn't know, he's about to find out. Very shortly.
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look...until Nelson or Simmons or someone else comes up hard evidence, this is just speculation at best



just because Simmons or Nelson say it doesnt make it true.


show me the beef

I may have something better than, "I've heard reports of"....we have all heard reports....of just about everything...and a lot are bogus and or misleasing...

I will make a third oil well thread...try and put pieces together...and they won't be Matt Simmons saying the pipe is still connected to the rig and that's why it's leaking, duh, either...

Maybe late tonight I will post it....see if it's beefy enough....


cool. don't forget this NASA pic from May 25th that looks like a ton of oil right where Matt Simmons is talking about (6 miles west of rig site).

[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

You mean the shadow from the cloud on the upper center frame?....I might leave that one out....I prefer to stick to the facts...

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I don't think we're looking at the same thing, I'm talking about the huge darker spot that dominates the left side of pic. But no matter. You're right, there's a ton we're not being told and what we are doesn't add up at all. I'll look forward to your thread.
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Here is some views of the BOP where it meets the sea floor as of June 3rd.
There is vid of it a few days ago on this forum, have not found it yet.
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At this point were all living on borrowed time.
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Let's face it...this shit can't be stopped/plugged/capped.
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look...until Nelson or Simmons or someone else comes up hard evidence, this is just speculation at best



just because Simmons or Nelson say it doesnt make it true.


show me the beef

I may have something better than, "I've heard reports of"....we have all heard reports....of just about everything...and a lot are bogus and or misleasing...

I will make a third oil well thread...try and put pieces together...and they won't be Matt Simmons saying the pipe is still connected to the rig and that's why it's leaking, duh, either...

Maybe late tonight I will post it....see if it's beefy enough....


cool. don't forget this NASA pic from May 25th that looks like a ton of oil right where Matt Simmons is talking about (6 miles west of rig site).

[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

You mean the shadow from the cloud on the upper center frame?....I might leave that one out....I prefer to stick to the facts...



I don't think we're looking at the same thing, I'm talking about the huge darker spot that dominates the left side of pic. But no matter. You're right, there's a ton we're not being told and what we are doesn't add up at all. I'll look forward to your thread.
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I think that's actually more clear open water....sunlight penetrates about 250 feet max...and after about 150 deep it severly cut down...if it wasn't on or very near the surface...we wouldn't be seeing it on any sat image.
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Let's face it...this shit can't be stopped/plugged/capped.
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yep if we were not so addicted to oil it would never have happened.
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Let's face it...this shit can't be stopped/plugged/capped.
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yep if we were not so addicted to oil it would never have happened.
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Massive deregulation was the real cause of this, just as it has been with everything else that has gone wrong.
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When it comes to trillions of dollars, who and what can you trust coming from the mouths of the men involved?

Hmmmmm.



Was that a, 'Hmmmm' in a reflective sense, or a, 'Hmmmm' with a question mark?

I think my remark was on target. Anyone that has been paying attention to the world of finance and power would know exactly what I was talking about.
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Preparing the herd for the big round-up? FEMA camps weren't built on a lark and FEMA's itching to do its bit, I bet.
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" 100 mile long river of black oil 400 ft. high on/above sea floor........a hurricane will cause the affected areas to become totally black"........Simmons on Ratigan Show just now.

oil floats so how is this oil staying on the bottom.
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Dispersants?
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Quote :In an interview by Andrea Mitchell a few minutes ago on Mitchell’s MSNBC show, Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, who has been one of the most informed and diligent, if not the most informed and diligent, Congressmen on the BP Gulf Oil Spill issue, stated he had reports there is oil and gas leaking from the seabed surrounding the BP Macondo well in the Mississippi Canyon sector of the Gulf. This is potentially huge and devastating news.

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They're all liars yet people still believe
it's gotta be true.

the Deepwater Horizon rig was drilling into what BP itself
considered a very small deposit of oil5000 feet down.
You could stop and wonder why they went to the expense
and trouble of doing that for little or no return
on an estimated 100 million barrels.

THUNDER HORSE is the main oil deposit it's BP's BIGGIE.

Now if TH was leaking BP might need some
diversion to attract people's attention away from
it while they worked to attempt to fix the problem.

My guess is BP may have blown Macondo for that purpose.
And they would have known in advance that it was
impossible to pipe the oil up from 5000 feet down....
never been done before ( according to the experts)
so they may have 'rigged' it to blow


Most of the oil spill out there in the Gulf is likely
from Thunder Horse not Macondo.

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Let's face it...this shit can't be stopped/plugged/capped.
gasp

yep if we were not so addicted to oil it would never have happened.


Massive deregulation was the real cause of this, just as it has been with everything else that has gone wrong.
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Fuck off Obama dick sucker!
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Let's face it...this shit can't be stopped/plugged/capped.
gasp

yep if we were not so addicted to oil it would never have happened.
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We live in the Arctic. Use solar and wood for heat.
My husband is blown away by the freeway lifestyle every time we go to visit
my family in Seattle. He particularly can't get over the 'carpool lanes'. He's like, 'you mean you only need to have one passenger to use the carpool lane, and
it's practically empty while all these cars sit bumper to bumper on the freeway with just the driver' ? And I'm like, 'yeah, and don't forget to multiply what you see here by every big city in the country to get a sense of the bigger picture'.
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I heard a woman call in to radio show over weekend, and she suggested that the floor is cracking or splitting since the Haiti quake. I am not sure what show it was, maybe Ben Ferguson? but the host said. OH THERE YOU HAVE IT BETH FROM x says that's what happened.. sarcasm, ridicule..

No one wants to entertain the idea it could be natural and part of larger issues re: methane, shifting, seismic activity etc.
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THANKYOU, THIS IS CORRECT AND EVEN BP said there were problems of this sort in the gulf. This is not all BP, it is earth changes, but BP should have never gone that deep into that pressure.
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[link to www.ogj.com]

The well is drilled in sediment. Directly out from the mouth of the mighty Mississippi. How many of the thousands of feet drilled through is basically loose muck?

Three things in that report.

A billion barrels of oil.at 100,000 barrels a day, the leak would last for 10,000 days or 27.3 years

"permeable" google "Mud volcanoes"

"salt canopies". slat "cleaves" when drilled or manipulated.


The gulf is fucked. If you own anything within 100 miles of the coast, sell now.
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Let's face it...this shit can't be stopped/plugged/capped.
gasp

yep if we were not so addicted to oil it would never have happened.


Massive deregulation was the real cause of this, just as it has been with everything else that has gone wrong.

Fuck off Obama dick sucker!
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what are taking about? He's a huge part of the problem!!
And by the looks of it, everyone involved knew it was coming and dumped stock Goldman, Tony Hayward,etc...
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if the sea / ocean floor is shifting ever since the Hatti quake, with all the other natural disasters.
Could this be the beginning of a pole shift?
Volcano's, sink holes and earth quakes in numerous places.
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Let's face it ... this shit can not be stopped / plugged / capped.: Gasp: yep if we where not so addicted to oil it would never Have Happened. Massive Deregulation Was the real cause of this, just as it has-been with everything else That has gone wrong. [/ quote]

whatever people dont drill 4-5 miles down for oil because of deregulation.
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[link to www.ogj.com]

The well is drilled in sediment. Directly out from the mouth of the mighty Mississippi. How many of the thousands of feet drilled through is basically loose muck?

Three things in that report.

A billion barrels of oil.at 100,000 barrels a day, the leak would last for 10,000 days or 27.3 years

"permeable" google "Mud volcanoes"

"salt canopies". slat "cleaves" when drilled or manipulated.


The gulf is fucked. If you own anything within 100 miles of the coast, sell now.
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Why do people keep saying the Gulf is fucked? How about the WHOLE FUCKING PLANET. This shit will spread over the entire planet.
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look...until Nelson or Simmons or someone else comes up hard evidence, this is just speculation at best



just because Simmons or Nelson say it doesnt make it true.


show me the beef

I may have something better than, "I've heard reports of"....we have all heard reports....of just about everything...and a lot are bogus and or misleasing...

I will make a third oil well thread...try and put pieces together...and they won't be Matt Simmons saying the pipe is still connected to the rig and that's why it's leaking, duh, either...

Maybe late tonight I will post it....see if it's beefy enough....


cool. don't forget this NASA pic from May 25th that looks like a ton of oil right where Matt Simmons is talking about (6 miles west of rig site).

[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

You mean the shadow from the cloud on the upper center frame?....I might leave that one out....I prefer to stick to the facts...

Look...people are upset...I understand this...everytime an ROV fan stirs up the fine sand or hydrate snow the whole seabed has exploded...there are probably 20 oilcanoes all over the place....there is a lot of worry and I am worried too, but I'm not a guy who sees golems around every corner either and freaks out over ever bump in the night...I prefer to go find out what made the noise and be prepared to deal whatever it might be.

We have some serious problems here...and there is a very good chance they are far beyond what we are being told. Remember too that the wild stories will only serve to create a larger smoke screen....so it's better to have some solid reasoning and avoid the fantastic that will only succeed in making the real questions losing credibility too.

And somebody had better start asking the real questions pretty soon...
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SHR!! It's NOT a cloud shadow. That satellite picture was taken close to high noon, when the shadows are near directly underneath the shadows that cast them. There is no cloud anywhere near the black patch 7-10 miles west of the Horizon rig.
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uh-oh
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"uh-oh" is right.
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maybe its due to a quake, or the draining of oil has cause some sort of collapse, either way could it have been a cause in the stability of the DeepWater Horizon wellhead regarding the the Halliburton concrete not being strong enough, also if this is the case couldn't BP, Transco & Halliburton clam that the spill is due to natural causes ?
What I find fantastic is any notion that there are answers beyond the realm of science. The answers are there. You just have to know where to look.

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Let's face it...this shit can't be stopped/plugged/capped.
gasp

yep if we were not so addicted to oil it would never have happened.


We live in the Arctic. Use solar and wood for heat.
My husband is blown away by the freeway lifestyle every time we go to visit
my family in Seattle. He particularly can't get over the 'carpool lanes'. He's like, 'you mean you only need to have one passenger to use the carpool lane, and
it's practically empty while all these cars sit bumper to bumper on the freeway with just the driver' ? And I'm like, 'yeah, and don't forget to multiply what you see here by every big city in the country to get a sense of the bigger picture'.
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You live in the arctic? Can you start a thread on that topic alone?
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matt simmons right again
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Right again? He is talking about a leak 5 or 6 miles away -- not one that results in effluent through the surface near the well head.

Since Matt Simmons has come out with his information, there has been nothing to confirm it exists. In fact, on the surface his claims to not make a lot of sense as he said there was a lake of oil forming on the bottom of the sea bet 5 or 6 miles from the well head.

He went on to say that the size of the lake was enormous -- covering hundreds of square miles. If this were the case, why are we not seeing a lake of oil covering up the BOP as it is only miles away.

I am not saying Simmons is wrong. I certainly hope he is. However he has not provided any solid information and no one with that information has come forward to back him up.
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I told you so. I have mentioned all weekend what I saw on the video on Friday. The broken pipe with two other smaller ones on the side of it . It looked like something coming out of the larger pipe . At that time when they first showed it there was no oil spewing but they started messing around with it and then a huge plume. TraderRob had a video up showing the broken pipe. I watched this unfold for four hours and no one listened to me!!
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The videos and thread he mentions are here:

Thread: WHOA!! BP - Footage of new plume from sea floor!!!!


This crap about 'show me the beef..' Many of us have been doing that for weeks. The massive explosion three weeks ago yesterday that left the crater where the Riser terminated was well documented here. Dozens of posts from people who witnessed plumbes and gas vents fom the sea floors that were shown on the BP Cams. The video's at the link above and the dozens of posts on that thread from people who witness that crater and others.

The evidence is really impossible to deny -- the only question at this point is what the end result will be.
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matt simmons right again


Right again? He is talking about a leak 5 or 6 miles away -- not one that results in effluent through the surface near the well head.

Since Matt Simmons has come out with his information, there has been nothing to confirm it exists. In fact, on the surface his claims to not make a lot of sense as he said there was a lake of oil forming on the bottom of the sea bet 5 or 6 miles from the well head.

He went on to say that the size of the lake was enormous -- covering hundreds of square miles. If this were the case, why are we not seeing a lake of oil covering up the BOP as it is only miles away.

I am not saying Simmons is wrong. I certainly hope he is. However he has not provided any solid information and no one with that information has come forward to back him up.
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Simmons has inside information regarding NOAA submarine excursions that the NOAA did weeks ago. However, they haven't made any of the video public...

I am sure that Senator Nelson has inside information regarding NOAA and other submarine excursions. Why is the government making such a big deal about providing live feeds of the BOP/riser leaks, saying the information needs to be public, but they aren't releasing ANYTHING regarding these underwater plumes that have been filmed by submarine excursions?
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Remember this EQ ? And now can't be found on the USGS site!
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Magnitude 5.8 - GULF OF MEXICO
Feb 5, 2009 ... This earthquake was centered beneath the Gulf of Mexico, well distant from the nearest active plate boundary. Such "midplate" earthquakes ...
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Are you fuckin serious? Whoa!
DO not buy BP, Castrol or AMOCO Gas, Oil or other BP petroleum products.
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Let's face it ... this shit can not be stopped / plugged / capped.: Gasp: yep if we where not so addicted to oil it would never Have Happened. Massive Deregulation Was the real cause of this, just as it has-been with everything else That has gone wrong. [/ quote]

whatever people dont drill 4-5 miles down for oil because of deregulation.
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No but when there's an "accident" (wink wink) and proper safety measures haven't been taken due to deregulation, you get this fxckin mess.
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Vedic sastra (scripture) describes a situation that took place millenia ago on the earth planet, where one of the major demons began removing huge quantities of gold from the earth. The result was that the earth orb 'lost its balance', and fell down into what is known in Vedic cosmology as the Garbhodaka Ocean (think of it as falling out of orbit). It's also said that removing too much oil can have the same affect.
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